Coach Joe Osovet

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GetYouSomeofThat said:
But why are we limited? I would think proven OC's at the football powerhouse schools couldn't be swayed to come here. But without researching it, i would think with the right offer we should be able to pull a guy from another school that has had some recent success. It might take a little more money than we want to pay or more freedom to manage his practice that CJP likes or maybe a coach would have to come with him. But this can be a good hire with the right incentive.
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Yurcich fits that criteria perfectly. I'm not sure how many other coaches have done more with less. Obviously Briles is up there and Klingsbury. Maybe Norvell (a HC) and Ole Miss guys. Clemson guys for sure (ain't leaving) and Oklahoma's guys. WaZu guys (doubt we are going air raid tbh).

It's just so hard to find an added-value OC that's not already an OC or with an already elite program.
 
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Devo182 said:
But what makes us think those guys are in p5 more than elsewhere? Besides, every guy has to become a p5 oc somehow, either as a position coach (detested by fans) or as a lower level coach (detested by fans). Meanwhile, you greatly limit your options..on an unfounded principle. You put "names" over true innovation and a wider net of options.

This has been the common NFL mentality for a long time and meanwhile they have trailed innovation consistently by 5 or more years. It has taken risktakers to break the mold and bring the NFL into a higher scoring league.
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Because a school that in the not too recent past was considered a great program should not be hiring every damn body they hire to learn on the effing job. Holy crap why is that hard to understand.

I suppose if you accept that the UT program and brand are so tarnished that we are now and forevermore equal to the damned Vandy's, Kentucky's, UVa's, Boston Colleges, Purdue, Colorado, TCU etc etc etc.. Then yeah, hire every dang rookie and every Southern Conference coach you can to come and learn in Knoxville. Cut your chops here. We are no longer a destination school but we can help you learn your craft so you can get a real good job at a football school...This crap makes me angry and sick.


I've accepted that I'm in the minority but if the last few hires haven't proven that we are doing it all freaking wrong then I guess we might as well accept our fate like Minnesota and be ecstatic about our next 8 win season in 2022.
 
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Devo182 said:
Yurcich fits that criteria perfectly. I'm not sure how many other coaches have done more with less. Obviously Briles is up there and Klingsbury. Maybe Norvell (a HC) and Ole Miss guys. Clemson guys for sure (ain't leaving) and Oklahoma's guys. WaZu guys (doubt we are going air raid tbh).

It's just so hard to find an added-value OC that's not already an OC or with an already elite program.
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I would love to see pretty much any of those you listed hired. Some more than others with Yurich probably at the top of my list.
 
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Devo182 said:
But what makes us think those guys are in p5 more than elsewhere? Besides, every guy has to become a p5 oc somehow, either as a position coach (detested by fans) or as a lower level coach (detested by fans). Meanwhile, you greatly limit your options..on an unfounded principle. You put "names" over true innovation and a wider net of options.

This has been the common NFL mentality for a long time and meanwhile they have trailed innovation consistently by 5 or more years. It has taken risktakers to break the mold and bring the NFL into a higher scoring league.
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Because we dont need a guy that could end up being a great OC. Do you want TN to be the school where an OC learns to be great? I dont. I dont want us to be that stepping stone. We need a big name OC who knows how to call plays and develop players. We need a guy that has proven track records of doing those things on the big stage in the biggest conferences. Did Smart hire an OC that had to start somewhere? No he didnt.

Osovet isnt some genius offensive guru that is attracting attention of every big time D1 school. If he were, then he would have a big time job. Stop making him out to be something he isnt.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Because a school that in the not too recent past was considered a great program should not be hiring every damn body they hire to learn on the effing job. Holy crap why is that hard to understand.

I suppose if you accept that the UT program and brand are so tarnished that we are now and forevermore equal to the damned Vandy's, Kentucky's, UVa's, Boston Colleges, Purdue, Colorado, TCU etc etc etc.. Then yeah, hire every dang rookie and every Southern Conference coach you can to come and learn in Knoxville. Cut your chops here. We are no longer a destination school but we can help you learn your craft so you can get a real good job at a football school...This crap makes me angry and sick.


I've accepted that I'm in the minority but if the last few hires haven't proven that we are doing it all freaking wrong then I guess we might as well accept our fate like Minnesota and be ecstatic about our next 8 win season in 2022.
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Good strawman, but you missed the point entirely. Great HCs hire the best candidate, the best coaches. Not the "name" hire or one fitting some tight parameter, such as a p5 coach. You are simply limiting yourself and not being smart. According to you, since we are some blue blood program, we should go hire a "proven" p5 OC. Because that is what the top teams do?? lol, wrong. Well, that is Yurcich, that's one of the best there is. Who else you want? Locksley? SUCKS. OU/Clemson/UGA guys? NOT COMING, theu have better situations. LSU, Auburn A&M, UF, FSU, Miami, OSU, Michigan, etc...no better OCs to offer. PLENTY of P5 top tier teams have failing or nonexistent OCs. Your concept is just delusional.

And if you think we, after not winning our conference in over a decade, can go bully a hire into making it happen, you are delusional.

Many p5 teams suck at offense, why get their OCs? Meanwhile, the ones at the top aren't leaving. That leaves your pool wayy too shallow to hire from. Got to open yourself to position coaches, d2, hs, etc and just hire the best, not the "name" guy.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Because we dont need a guy that could end up being a great OC. Do you want TN to be the school where an OC learns to be great? I dont. I dont want us to be that stepping stone. We need a big name OC who knows how to call plays and develop players. We need a guy that has proven track records of doing those things on the big stage in the biggest conferences. Did Smart hire an OC that had to start somewhere? No he didnt.
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I just want us to hire the best ball coach. If that means taking a chance, then cool. We are rebuilding anyway, it's the time to take a chance. Rather shoot for the top than settle with some mediocre p5 OC (canada, enos, etc).

Chaney is decent, but UGA now has absurd talent. We saw his usual self in 2016 when they were average, just like UT 09-11. Good game manager, but not an added value coach (though I think Pittman is). I want a coach that adds value, not just meets the expectation.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Lol. Not this past season. You might have confused a RPO play with the QB's lack of mental acuity and misplaced self confidence.
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Yes. This past season.

"Jarrett had the option to throw there" was repeated on his show probably two dozen times this season.

Jennings first touchdown of the season was on an RPO.
 
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Thorp32 said:
Do you think Pruitt would allow him to run RPOs?
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Pruitt was very intrigued by his system. When he first interviewed him he told him he would hope to coach with him later on. Then he decided to bring him in as an analyst. I don't see the point of it if he isn't going to use his rpo ideas at some point.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok I watched a few videos about him. So I ask again, whats so special about him?
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He’s one of the those guys who sell a system like Tony Franklin or Noel Mazzone. Both of which have lead prolific offenses.

As a juco head coach his offense put up big numbers
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yes. This past season.

"Jarrett had the option to throw there" was repeated on his show probably two dozen times this season.

Jennings first touchdown of the season was on an RPO.
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Helton used a lot of slant rpos at USC. Briles would bring a lot of rpos and a run first offense.

That’s what’s underrated is Briles as a running game coordinator. The Baylor offense and Florida Atlantic were both elite running offenses. I haven’t seen enough Houston this year to have an opinion
 
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Devo182 said:
Good strawman, but you missed the point entirely. Great HCs hire the best candidate, the best coaches. Not the "name" hire or one fitting some tight parameter, such as a p5 coach. You are simply limiting yourself and not being smart. According to you, since we are some blue blood program, we should go hire a "proven" p5 OC. Because that is what the top teams do?? lol, wrong. Well, that is Yurcich, that's one of the best there is. Who else you want? Locksley? SUCKS. OU/Clemson/UGA guys? NOT COMING, theu have better situations. LSU, Auburn A&M, UF, FSU, Miami, OSU, Michigan, etc...no better OCs to offer. PLENTY of P5 top tier teams have failing or nonexistent OCs. Your concept is just delusional.

And if you think we, after not winning our conference in over a decade, can go bully a hire into making it happen, you are delusional.

Many p5 teams suck at offense, why get their OCs? Meanwhile, the ones at the top aren't leaving. That leaves your pool wayy too shallow to hire from. Got to open yourself to position coaches, d2, hs, etc and just hire the best, not the "name" guy.
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Yurich woiud be a good hire.

I honestly haven't a clue where the bully part came into your thinking. I certainly didnt mention it.

However, if given enough incentive an OC would come here to work from another Power 5 school. And the pool should be shallow. There arent a bunch of great coaches out there and we would like a great one wouldnt we? Or should mediocrity be what we are happy with?

If any new hire we get is going to be handcuffed by the AD or HC it will be difficult to hire someone who is currently successful. If however offered both the latitude tonrun his own show and the cash to make his wife happy, a great one can be landed.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Yes. This past season.

"Jarrett had the option to throw there" was repeated on his show probably two dozen times this season.

Jennings first touchdown of the season was on an RPO.
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His first touchdown was an rpo? I'll have to go back and look at the tape. So many TDs to go through.
 
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Thorp32 said:
Do you think Pruitt would allow him to run RPOs?
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Pruitt would be better off trying to tweak the offense to the personell on the roster. If we can't show marked improvement up front a mobile QB would benefit us while the OL develops. Receivers could use double moves and get more separation,etc.....We need a flexible OC with proven experience.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Pruitt would be better off trying to tweak the offense to the personell on the roster. If we can't show marked improvement up front a mobile QB would benefit us while the OL develops. Receivers could use double moves and get more separation,etc.....We need a flexible OC with proven experience.
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I agree 100%. Why Pruitt ran the scheme he did last year with our players is a "head scratcher". I have never seen a coach that did not want to win now.
 
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Definitely a good analyst to have. Think he would have to prove himself to become a position coach (qb or wr?) and then prove he could run the entire offense to be an oc. If he can't do that in a few years, he could definitely move up at a smaller d1 school.
 
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If they promote internally it wouldn't be a bad idea to promote him if they're looking for something different. His offense seems to be pretty much all RPO's and a little deception wouldn't hurt given our personnel. Doesn't mean you still can't have physicality and run the stuff we do out of the I, it'll just come from the gun instead.
 
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I don’t know how long this has been on his twitter page, but interesting nonetheless. YouTube this guy and check out some of his offensive philosophies. I would not hate this hire at all. I understand him not being a proven play caller on this level but this guy knows football.
 
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