Climer

#26
#26
Due you suggest we hand our 1998 NC trophy back to the NCAA? Remember Clint Stoerner? That fumble was one of MANY feats of luck that came our way. Who gives a crap if VU missed a FG or USC missed a field goal. That's part of the game. Rather it be them than us.

JZVOL said:
I'm not talking about about this year. Feel free to show me some teams that have defenses like that in this league that consistently go to or win the SECCG.

A field goal off the upright against Vandy, a missed field goal by USCe in OT and a lot of help from other teams.
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#27
#27
BigPapaVol said:
but on the dropped snap play, dude could not have been more wide open and that would have ended the football game had the pass been remotely decent.
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I agree, our DB was 5 yards behind him running to catch up. If Woodson throws a good pass we aren't even having this discussion. We would have lost in regulation.

However, if we convert a few 3rd and 4th downs earlier we end the game in regulation so it went both ways but the recieiver for UK was wide open on that last pass play. Woodson just made a wide throw.
 
#28
#28
BHAMVOLFAN said:
Due you suggest we hand our 1998 NC trophy back to the NCAA? Remember Clint Stoerner? That fumble was one of MANY feats of luck that came our way. Who gives a crap if VU missed a FG or USC missed a field goal. That's part of the game. Rather it be them than us.
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That is one heck of a leap from me saying defenses like ours don't usually win the SEC and it could be a problem in the long run. I'm also doubting the '98 D was ranked as bad as this season.

This season we have won despite our D, not because of it. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good, but that same D almost cost us two or three more losses.

In the long term a D like ours will get you beat, not win you titles on a consistent basis.

And yes every team has some level of luck involved in winning through the course of a season.
 
#29
#29
VolBeef88 said:
This statement is very simple to explain.

"For example, when Kentucky was inside the 10-yard line last Saturday, why were the Vols cornerbacks lined up in the end zone?"

It was blown assignment. It happens to all teams. Not good and if you remember it only happened on one series and that is why they started running more in OT.

Are there issues to look at? Yes but Climer and all the others who want to bash this team and coach have had all off season and most of this season to fire at will. They should at least show a little class and let the team get through this game before running off at the mouth again.
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I disagree. I think they were trying to take the fade route out of play. In doing so they ended up allowing an easy six underneath. They picked their poison.

I think they picked the poison that required the least amount of effort to kill them. A fade route that close to the endzone requires more precision on the pass, and the ball tends to stay in the air a little longer.

As far as keeping mouths shut this week, I don't entirely disagree. As I see it, the LSU offense poses fewer "creative" threats to this UT defense than a team with a mobile quarterback. However, talks of contract extensions before the SEC Championship game is won, or before the bowl is played is entirely inappropriate as well, and it runs counter to Mike Hamilton's previous stance of waiting to see how things play out.
 
#30
#30
Lexvol said:
I disagree. I think they were trying to take the fade route out of play. In doing so they ended up allowing an easy six underneath. They picked their poison.

I think they picked the poison that required the least amount of effort to kill them. A fade route that close to the endzone requires more precision on the pass, and the ball tends to stay in the air a little longer.

As far as keeping mouths shut this week, I don't entirely disagree. As I see it, the LSU offense poses fewer "creative" threats to this UT defense than a team with a mobile quarterback. However, talks of contract extensions before the SEC Championship game is won, or before the bowl is played is entirely inappropriate as well, and it runs counter to Mike Hamilton's previous stance of waiting to see how things play out.
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I'm with you 100% on that. All these jokers (Doc, Jeff, Heather, John and Jimmy) are all saying see we told you to let the season play out. OOOOH I guess they just meant let the regular season play out.

What happens if we lose the next two games and finish 9-5? No way a raise or extension should be given off of that.
 
#31
#31
Amazing!! A Vandy homer paper comes up with a negative UT article 3 days before the SECCG game. You know what, as of right now the Tennessean can go straight to you know where. I am tired of them writing this crap. Go cover your home team you a$$es, looks like you will get a great story on how Vandy gets to stay home again this year and misses a bowl. Instead of writing about us needing a new coach, you guys might want to consider going that route. Shoot, if you guys ever do goto a bowl game again you should offer that coach a lifetime contract after he gets to the bowl game even if he loses. Vandy loving liece of crap homer paper. :finger3:
 
#32
#32
Lexvol said:
I disagree. I think they were trying to take the fade route out of play. In doing so they ended up allowing an easy six underneath. They picked their poison.

I think they picked the poison that required the least amount of effort to kill them. A fade route that close to the endzone requires more precision on the pass, and the ball tends to stay in the air a little longer.

As far as keeping mouths shut this week, I don't entirely disagree. As I see it, the LSU offense poses fewer "creative" threats to this UT defense than a team with a mobile quarterback. However, talks of contract extensions before the SEC Championship game is won, or before the bowl is played is entirely inappropriate as well, and it runs counter to Mike Hamilton's previous stance of waiting to see how things play out.
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Lex I just think you are wrong. I think it was a blown assignment.
 
#33
#33
VolBeef88 said:
Lex I just think you are wrong. I think it was a blown assignment.
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Based on what I have seen from the secondary this year I think that I am right. Blown assignment or bad call aside, the real fact of the matter is that the defense completely collapsed on that last drive.
 
#34
#34
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Amazing!! A Vandy homer paper comes up with a negative UT article 3 days before the SECCG game. You know what, as of right now the Tennessean can go straight to you know where. I am tired of them writing this crap. Go cover your home team you a$$es, looks like you will get a great story on how Vandy gets to stay home again this year and misses a bowl. Instead of writing about us needing a new coach, you guys might want to consider going that route. Shoot, if you guys ever do goto a bowl game again you should offer that coach a lifetime contract after he gets to the bowl game even if he loses. Vandy loving liece of crap homer paper. :finger3:
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Tennessean = Pravda on the Cumberland
 
#35
#35
Lexvol said:
Based on what I have seen from the secondary this year I think that I am right. Blown assignment or bad call aside, the real fact of the matter is that the defense completely collapsed on that last drive.
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That is not the discussion. I base it on Chavis going nuts and almost strangling Willingham when he went to the sidelilne. Then for the rest of the OT they were not off the WR into the endzone like the first OT. It happens and we were able to over come it. We still have a 2 games to play and for that I am very thankful. Climer is a tool and showed no class writting this now. There is plenty of time later.
 
#36
#36
Cherry picking stats by Climer - I'm not saying the D is great but we rank ahead of teams such as Florida in pass defense (believe it or not).

Ranking Summary

Here's some Climer left out:

Scoring Off. 22nd (nat.) 5th (SEC)
KO returns 13th (nat.) 1st (SEC)
Passing Eff. 25th (nat.) 3 (SEC)
Sacks allowed 1st (nat.) 1st (SEC)
T/O margin 26th (nat.) 2nd (SEC)

Pick any team and you can find stat categories where they are stinking it up and others where they are doing well.
 
#37
#37
VolBeef88 said:
That is not the discussion. I base it on Chavis going nuts and almost strangling Willingham when he went to the sidelilne. Then for the rest of the OT they were not off the WR into the endzone like the first OT. It happens and we were able to over come it. We still have a 2 games to play and for that I am very thankful. Climer is a tool and showed no class writting this now. There is plenty of time later.
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Where was the other corner lined up? I have already erased the game from my DVR. I think he was lined up as the defense was called, and that he did not recognize the play quickly enough. That would also illicit ire, would it not?
 
#38
#38
If you have fundamental weaknesses, sooner or later those weaknesses will be exposed by a fundamentally sound team.

Yes, we're playing for the SEC Championship, and yes, we have the possibility of going to a BCS Bowl.

Nonetheless, the article was spot on. Every one who reads, and posts here, knows that.

go vols.
 
#39
#39
i don't disagree with the article's content, but i'm with most of you on the timing. right now, i simply don't care about the shortcomings. there's a title to possibly be won this Saturday.

Lex, i agree with you on the DB's........i'd agree about the blown assignment if it weren't EVERYONE playing 6 yards off. it was by design. we did it several other times on 3rd down situations as well.....3rd and 4, we're 5 yards off the LOS.......

the one thing i would point out though is.....on that last drive......we had 3 dropped INT's........i say give the DB's to Troop for just one day!!!!
 
#40
#40
VolBeef88 said:
That is not the discussion. I base it on Chavis going nuts and almost strangling Willingham when he went to the sidelilne. Then for the rest of the OT they were not off the WR into the endzone like the first OT. It happens and we were able to over come it. We still have a 2 games to play and for that I am very thankful. Climer is a tool and showed no class writting this now. There is plenty of time later.
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Now, do you think Climer pens this article if contract extensions and raises were not brought into the picture this week? I say no way. I say that Hammy is just as responsible for bringing this press as anyone else. We could still easily end up 9-5. That is not praiseworthy or "rewardable" under any circumstance.
 
#41
#41
JZVOL said:
A field goal off the upright against Vandy, a missed field goal by USCe in OT and a lot of help from other teams.
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Those are the breaks.

Almost every football team in the country is a play or two away from an extra pair of wins or losses.

A roughing the passer penalty on JT Mapu against the Gators could have been the difference in the Vols playing in the SEC Championship game last year - and would have prevented the Gators from competing for a national title....the same could be said for the Jamarcus Russell fumble that should have ended the game in Neyland last year.

Every team in the conference has eight 60-minute football games to earn a trip to Atlanta. The Vols, despite the stats, earned their division crown and a shot at the conference championship.
 
#42
#42
Lexvol said:
Now, do you think Climer pens this article if contract extensions and raises were not brought into the picture this week? I say no way. I say that Hammy is just as responsible for bringing this press as anyone else. We could still easily end up 9-5. That is not praiseworthy or "rewardable" under any circumstance.
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#45
#45
GAVol said:
We'd actually be the co-champions of the conference right now. :hi:

Under the old system we would have won the SEC in 2001 and this year as well.
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How do you figure? Tie breaker resorted to outside the conference record did it not?
 
#46
#46
Lexvol said:
Where was the other corner lined up? I have already erased the game from my DVR. I think he was lined up as the defense was called, and that he did not recognize the play quickly enough. That would also illicit ire, would it not?
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Willingham was the only DB lined up that far off. There is no excuse for it other than fear of being burned deep. But I still say the timing is off. If we lose or win Sat there is time.
 
#47
#47
VolBeef88 said:
Willingham was the only DB lined up that far off. There is no excuse for it other than fear of being burned deep. But I still say the timing is off. If we lose or win Sat there is time.
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As I see it the timing is directly related to Hammy's decision to premature talk of contract extensions and raises. This is a direct response. Someone needed to carry that torch. Those talks are as ill timed as the article.
 
#49
#49
Lexvol said:
As I see it the timing is directly related to Hammy's decision to premature talk of contract extensions and raises. This is a direct response. Someone needed to carry that torch. Those talks are as ill timed as the article.
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While I don't dispute the accuracy of most of the article, I don't think it was in direct response to Hamilton or contact extensions and raises, Climer has never needed an excuse such as Hamilton or coaching contracts to print this kind of article. Hamiltons stance regarding Fulmers situation didn't breed the idea for this article it just gave more fodder for its content IMO.
 
#50
#50
UT IE 95 said:
No, delusional is worrying about the above stats when we're packing for Atlanta this week. Are you headed down? I'll buy you a beer to calm you down man.
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I dont drink, but i appreciate the sentiment. I am excited to be in Atlanta and I'll be raising cain from my home here in Houston (full-time ministry and a 7month pregnant wife are not conducive to travel), I just dont want our AD & HC to do nothing in the off season. Changes to our staff need to be made.
 
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