Climer

#76
#76
The difference is that getting beat in soft coverage yields a 10 yard gain and getting beaten in bump coverage yields an 80 yard TD.
slow or quick death? i think they choose the slow death increasing the chances for the opponent to make a mistake. which KY did.

and they made the same mistake 3 times on the final drive. we just didn't get the int's.

i'm defending the philosophy, but i do understand it.

i would like to think we had atheletes that could man up and play.
 
#79
#79
I don't think there's much danger of giving up an 80 yard TD in overtime.

I'll grant you that the pass coverage in overtime on a short field was one of the most perplexing things I've seen all year. On one of the scores, the Kentucky receiver ran a simple stop route and Willingham had dropped 5 yards deep into the endzone as if he was afraid of the Go route.
 
#80
#80
well I agree there is some changes that need to be made in the offseason. I am not worried about the stats that much. I know its not limitied to this year but especially this year its has seemed to be the tale of 2 teams. You have the first half team , then their is the 2nd half team. In order to win this next game we need to figure out how to bring the first half team to the 2nd half.
 
#83
#83
If you've got guys who you have to worry about the other team running by, you've done a sorry job of recruiting and talent evaluation.

It does depend on the WR. But there is no excuse for the play of Willingham all game long. But he was the only DB who was too far off the WR in OT. Rogan giving 5 yards to Burton is not bad.
 
#84
#84
If you've got guys who you have to worry about the other team running by, you've done a sorry job of recruiting and talent evaluation.

Talent deficits have definitely forced us to play guys out of position.
 
#85
#85
I honestly believe Willingham will be a pretty good CB next season. He's getting his lumps in right now.
 
#86
#86
If you've got guys who you have to worry about the other team running by, you've done a sorry job of recruiting and talent evaluation.

Or the top three guys for that position are not available for various reasons.
 
#87
#87
give the db's to anyone but Slade and Happy B-Day by the way

Rex....I "totally" admire your profession and "congrats" on being a new Dad soon!!!!:rock:

But, does your spouse and flock know you're hangin' out with a buncha' thugs like most of us on this board????:)
 
#88
#88
Let's look at a few:
Total defense: 11th in the SEC, 71st nationally, at 402.9 yards per game.
Scoring defense: 11th in the SEC, 70th nationally, at 28.7 points a game.
Pass-efficiency defense: 11th in the SEC, 67th nationally.
Rushing defense: 8th in the SEC, 64th nationally, at 158.4 yards a game.
Sacks: 10th in the SEC, 79th nationally, at 20.
Third-down conversion percentage: 10th in the SEC, 67th nationally, at 39.3 percent.

"We've had some of the best defenses in this league through the years," defensive coordinator John Chavis said. "We know what good a good defense looks like."

this is what scares me, the delusional denial that all is ok.

I was a little disappointed with the article. Climer is usually more reasoned than that.

Why are the Vols having problems in the secondary and thus the defense? Well, perhaps because they now have a top 6 made up of 3 true Fr, a So, a JUCO, and an underperforming Sr... and remember one of those Fr is playing with a bum shoulder and was a WR for fall camp and part of the year. Rogan (Fr) was pressed into service because UT is basically out of CB's after the injuries to Gaines and then Johnson.

As far as your stats are concerned, there's one important one... and only one. That's points allowed per game. For the first three games of the year, UT allowed 41. Since they've allowed 25 even if you include the UK OT. Without it (and it wouldn't have occurred if L Taylor catches that 4th down pass), the Vols have allowed 22 ppg over the last nine. To put that in perspective, UT allowed about 23 in 2004, 19 in 2005, 20 in 2006, and about 20 in the near championship year of 2001.

Those performances were before the new kickoff rule. None of those teams had inexperience in the secondary like this team.

OTOH, UT's O this year is averaging 35 ppg and topped 400 pts for the first time since 2001. Assuming UT scores 12+ points in the next game, this team will have scored more ppg than the 98 team. In fact, this point production fits in the upper half of the 1990's stats.

That seems to leave two pertinent questions: Is this an aberration for Chavis? Will Cut still be at UT next year?

The point about recruit attrition is accurate. UT is missing about 8 out of 23 4* recruits from their Jr and Sr classes. That seems to have abated with the last two classes to a large degree with respect to discipline though the academic problems still exist...

... but doesn't that kind of make the point that CPF has been doing more with less the past two years?
 
#90
#90
As far as your stats are concerned, there's one important one... and only one. That's points allowed per game. For the first three games of the year, UT allowed 41. Since they've allowed 25 even if you include the UK OT. Without it (and it wouldn't have occurred if L Taylor catches that 4th down pass), the Vols have allowed 22 ppg over the last nine. To put that in perspective, UT allowed about 23 in 2004, 19 in 2005, 20 in 2006, and about 20 in the near championship year of 2001.

Those performances were before the new kickoff rule. None of those teams had inexperience in the secondary like this team.

OTOH, UT's O this year is averaging 35 ppg and topped 400 pts for the first time since 2001. Assuming UT scores 12+ points in the next game, this team will have scored more ppg than the 98 team. In fact, this point production fits in the upper half of the 1990's stats.

That seems to leave two pertinent questions: Is this an aberration for Chavis? Will Cut still be at UT next year?

The point about recruit attrition is accurate. UT is missing about 8 out of 23 4* recruits from their Jr and Sr classes. That seems to have abated with the last two classes to a large degree with respect to discipline though the academic problems still exist...

... but doesn't that kind of make the point that CPF has been doing more with less the past two years?

Defense has definitely played better, but I think any team that spreads the field and forces UT to cover 4 WR seems to have some success.

The main reason Fulmer is having success this year, is everyone else in the SEC East has 2 losses. That doesnt happen very often. This is an unusual year. Normally losing 2 SEC games and your done.
 
#91
#91
i don't know what all the shock is about concerning climer's article. i was born in nashville and lived there until my early 40's. i read him daily in the tennessean for well over 20 years. all he ever wrote about tennessee had negative connotations. why would you expect him to be different this year? david is just a negative type person who always sees the glass as half empty, not half full.
 
#93
#93
Defense has definitely played better, but I think any team that spreads the field and forces UT to cover 4 WR seems to have some success.

The main reason Fulmer is having success this year, is everyone else in the SEC East has 2 losses. That doesnt happen very often. This is an unusual year. Normally losing 2 SEC games and your done.


exactly, if the rest of the East doesnt stumble, which never happens until now, our problems are alot more glaring.
 
#94
#94
but on the dropped snap play, dude could not have been more wide open and that would have ended the football game had the pass been remotely decent.

Woulda, coulda, shouda! Didn't happen. :):)

If Ainge had missed the team bus, UT woulda probably lost also.
 
#96
#96
Playing for and actually winning are two different things. Take away this conference title and divisions and where do we sit overall in a unified conference? Right now as it stands we'd probably be going to the Chic-Fil-A Bowl.

Yo there Cspindizy; A few years ago; Ole Miss, Miss St and So. Carolina all brought in new super-coaches that were lauded as nothing less than the 2nd coming of the Messiah. Well a few years have passed since those coaches brought in there new, super offensive and defensive schemes.

In which bowls are those teams going to play this year?

I had rather see our team playing in the Chick-Filet Bowl, if that is the case, than sitting at home watching the Sugar Bowl, Outback Bowl, Rose Bowl, etc., etc.

Go Vols, Beat the Lousy Anner Tiggers
 
#98
#98
I was a little disappointed with the article. Climer is usually more reasoned than that.

Why are the Vols having problems in the secondary and thus the defense? Well, perhaps because they now have a top 6 made up of 3 true Fr, a So, a JUCO, and an underperforming Sr... and remember one of those Fr is playing with a bum shoulder and was a WR for fall camp and part of the year. Rogan (Fr) was pressed into service because UT is basically out of CB's after the injuries to Gaines and then Johnson.

As far as your stats are concerned, there's one important one... and only one. That's points allowed per game. For the first three games of the year, UT allowed 41. Since they've allowed 25 even if you include the UK OT. Without it (and it wouldn't have occurred if L Taylor catches that 4th down pass), the Vols have allowed 22 ppg over the last nine. To put that in perspective, UT allowed about 23 in 2004, 19 in 2005, 20 in 2006, and about 20 in the near championship year of 2001.

Those performances were before the new kickoff rule. None of those teams had inexperience in the secondary like this team.

OTOH, UT's O this year is averaging 35 ppg and topped 400 pts for the first time since 2001. Assuming UT scores 12+ points in the next game, this team will have scored more ppg than the 98 team. In fact, this point production fits in the upper half of the 1990's stats.

That seems to leave two pertinent questions: Is this an aberration for Chavis? Will Cut still be at UT next year?

The point about recruit attrition is accurate. UT is missing about 8 out of 23 4* recruits from their Jr and Sr classes. That seems to have abated with the last two classes to a large degree with respect to discipline though the academic problems still exist...

... but doesn't that kind of make the point that CPF has been doing more with less the past two years?
actually a good post.......but if you're going to try and sell me on the defense giving up more points because of the new kick off rules, then i'd be remiss to not point out that while our offense is going to score more points this season than the 98 team, they also are going to have 1 more game than the 98 team to do so. take out the ULL game, and we're well shy of the scoring mark you bring up.
 
#99
#99
actually a good post.......but if you're going to try and sell me on the defense giving up more points because of the new kick off rules, then i'd be remiss to not point out that while our offense is going to score more points this season than the 98 team, they also are going to have 1 more game than the 98 team to do so. take out the ULL game, and we're well shy of the scoring mark you bring up.

excellent point
 
Why are you guys itching to talk about negativity two days before a SEC Championship Game appearance? It's like alot of you would exchange losses to Florida and Alabama to sit at home and watch someone else play this weekend. Perfect seasons are a thing of the past and will rarely happen again in the SEC.
 
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