Clay Travis

#126
#126
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Top 20 head coaching jobs are seldom filled by coaches who come from the WAC with a losing record. If anything, I think that Clay vastly overrated the UTK head coaching job based on our most recent hire. of course, these things are always in flux and the UTK hfc job may have some of its former prestige restored down the road.
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Vastly overrated? Where would you rank it?
 
#128
#128
VOLinthaATL said:
No way. Athens is about 60 miles from downtown Atlanta and the state of Georgia produces an abundance of talent. The Dawgs recruit against no one in the state. It is extremely rare for Georgia to lose out on a kid that chooses Tech over them if they really want them.

It's a Top 5 job.
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We aren't rating the most fertile recruiting grounds. We're rating the best coaching jobs. Certainly recruiting is a component. But having to deal with expectations is certainly another, and in Georgia, they are absurd. I would take a job at Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, and maybe even Michigan before I'd take the Georgia job. Quality of competition also has to do with that.
 
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#129
golfballs03 said:
We aren't rating the most fertile recruiting grounds. We're rating the best coaching jobs. Certainly recruiting is a component. But having to deal with expectations is certainly another, and in Georgia, they are absurd. I would take a job at Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, and maybe even Michigan before I'd take the Georgia job. Quality of competition also has to do with that.
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Ok, I guess I'll inform you of this little nugget.

Expectations at OSU, USC, Oklahoma, and Michigan are equally absurd.
 
#130
#130
VOLinthaATL said:
Ok, I guess I'll inform you of this little nugget.

Expectations at OSU, USC, Oklahoma, and Michigan are equally absurd.
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Let me inform you of this little nugget. They don't play in the SEC, and with their levels of competition it's easier to live up to those expectations.

Are you telling me you would take a job at Georgia before you'd take a job at USC, OSU, or Oklahoma??
 
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#131
Jaytrain5 said:
Vastly overrated? Where would you rank it?
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If I counted correctly, there are, or soon will be, 71 head football coaching jobs at BCS AQ schools. I don't know how many of those schools would've hired Dooley when the Vols did but my guess is less than half so best case scenario I'd put the UTK job around #40.
 
#133
#133
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Top 20 head coaching jobs are seldom filled by coaches who come from the WAC with a losing record. If anything, I think that Clay vastly overrated the UTK head coaching job based on our most recent hire. of course, these things are always in flux and the UTK hfc job may have some of its former prestige restored down the road.
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You're a guru?????????????????????

I am not going to ask how

Lets see...
Oklahoma filled their job with a defensive coordinator when they were in a down period. Georgia hired an assistant from another school. Florida filled their job with a DC. USC filled their job with a coach with an overall losing record. Texas hired an average coach from UNC. LSU hired an assistant from another school. Before that they hired a coach who was a little better than average at another BCS school. Ohio State hired a Div 1-AA head coach with a history of NCAA troubles. Lloyd Carr wasn't known when Michigan hired him. Brady Hoke was career assistant.Their "big name" hire, Rich Rod, failed miserably. Notre Dame's best success has come from an overweight OC from the NFL. Oregon filled their vacacny with someone from their staff.

Guru??:birgits_giggle:
 
#134
#134
VolunteerHillbilly said:
If I counted correctly, there are, or soon will be, 71 head football coaching jobs at BCS AQ schools. I don't know how many of those schools would've hired Dooley when the Vols did but my guess is less than half so best case scenario I'd put the UTK job around #40.
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That's not the criteria for which a program is judged, but then again, you're a guru here at VN. I know you don't know any better
 
#135
#135
2ironVol said:
You're a guru?????????????????????

I am not going to ask how

Lets see...
Oklahoma filled their job with a defensive coordinator when they were in a down period. Georgia hired an assistant from another school. Florida filled their job with a DC. USC filled their job with a coach with an overall losing record. Texas hired an average coach from UNC. LSU hired an assistant from another school. Before that they hired a coach who was a little better than average at another BCS school. Ohio State hired a Div 1-AA head coach with a history of NCAA troubles. Lloyd Carr wasn't known when Michigan hired him. Brady Hoke was career assistant.Their "big name" hire, Rich Rod, failed miserably. Notre Dame's best success has come from an overweight OC from the NFL. Oregon filled their vacacny with someone from their staff.

Guru??:birgits_giggle:
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uuuh, what?
 
#136
#136
2ironVol said:
You're a guru?????????????????????

I am not going to ask how

Lets see...
Oklahoma filled their job with a defensive coordinator when they were in a down period. Georgia hired an assistant from another school. Florida filled their job with a DC. USC filled their job with a coach with an overall losing record. Texas hired an average coach from UNC. LSU hired an assistant from another school. Before that they hired a coach who was a little better than average at another BCS school. Ohio State hired a Div 1-AA head coach with a history of NCAA troubles. Lloyd Carr wasn't known when Michigan hired him. Brady Hoke was career assistant.Their "big name" hire, Rich Rod, failed miserably. Notre Dame's best success has come from an overweight OC from the NFL. Oregon filled their vacacny with someone from their staff.

Guru??:birgits_giggle:
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Seriously? He was a head coach for 8 years before Michigan hired him.
 
#138
#138
I'd probably put Tennessee at 11. I'd say it's ahead of Penn State right now, at least when considering the scandal.
 
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#140
Big difference between hiring a highly coveted up and coming assistant and a non-coveted head coach. Why would Muschamp turn down the #16 job in the country?
 
#141
#141
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Big difference between hiring a highly coveted up and coming assistant and a non-coveted head coach. Why would Muschamp turn down the #16 job in the country?
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Because he thought he was a lock to get the #1 job in the country at the time.

After a bad year, he settled for #2.
 
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#143
I doubt that he WM really thought Mack Brown was leaving, but none of us will ever know for sure why he turned us down. Another way to put my point is this, since Colorado State can peel a proven coordinator off Bama it absolutely can be credibly argued that the Colorado State job is better (more appealing to potential head coaches) right now than the UTK job was in late 2009. The only question is whether Dooley has done enough to improve the program, coupled with an end to NCAA investigations, so that we could've hired Jim McElwain last week if we had a vacancy. If the answer is no, then you have to figure out where Colorado State ranks and then stick the Vols somewhere behind them.
 
#144
#144
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I doubt that he WM really thought Mack Brown was leaving, but none of us will ever know for sure why he turned us down. Another way to put my point is this, since Colorado State can peel a proven coordinator off Bama it absolutely can be credibly argued that the Colorado State job is better (more appealing to potential head coaches) right now than the UTK job was in late 2009. The only question is whether Dooley has done enough to improve the program, coupled with an end to NCAA investigations, so that we could've hired Jim McElwain last week if we had a vacancy. If the answer is no, then you have to figure out where Colorado State ranks and then stick the Vols somewhere behind them.
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:eek:lol:
 
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#145
My list using his 25 teams... given the list is "best jobs", I don't see how you have PSU in the top 100.

1 TEX
2 BAMA
3 UF
4 LSU
5 OSU
6 USC
7 ND
8 MICH
9 OKLA
10 FSU
11 UGA
12 MIAMI
13 TENN
14 AUBURN
15 OREGON
16 NEBRASKA
17 PSU
18 WISCONSIN
19 TAMU
20 UCLA
21 SCAR
22 OKST
23 VTECH
24 UNC
25 ARIZ
 
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#146
#146
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I doubt that he WM really thought Mack Brown was leaving, but none of us will ever know for sure why he turned us down. Another way to put my point is this, since Colorado State can peel a proven coordinator off Bama it absolutely can be credibly argued that the Colorado State job is better (more appealing to potential head coaches) right now than the UTK job was in late 2009. The only question is whether Dooley has done enough to improve the program, coupled with an end to NCAA investigations, so that we could've hired Jim McElwain last week if we had a vacancy. If the answer is no, then you have to figure out where Colorado State ranks and then stick the Vols somewhere behind them.
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Bwahaha. Awful 'logic'.
 
#147
#147
Yeah UNC isn't that good of a job, didn't read his rationale but football will always be second fiddle to basketball there.
 
#148
#148
UNC at #12 is laughable. So tired of all this sleeping giant talk that's been going for basically my entire life. Football is a sport of convenience for the Heels.
 
#149
#149
Not sure what's wrong with the logic of pointing out that Dooley circa 2009 was not the caliber of coach that a program would have to stoop to in order to fill a true #16 (or better) head coaching job. I'm looking at this in terms of who we can/did get. Either this really isn't that gret of a job, or UTK sold itself way short.

At any rate, with the Autry anouncement and the likely fallout from that it is highly doubtful that Dooley is going to get the ready-to-play prospects that he needs to show any significant improvement next year so in about 11 months we'll all get another chance to revisit this and see how highly prized the job is based on who wants it.
 
#150
#150
Tennessee has fell behind in recent years, should still be top 10 job nationally. The fact it isn't, just shows how much a failure the administration at the time was. I just don't get the cheapness if this bunch, it's baffling.
 
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