CJP and year 1..

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I agree that 6 wins is a good starting goal, considering the shape the program is in. Good coaching can change that to 8-9 wins.
 
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WestTnHawk said:
We have enough on the roster to win 8. That's why I think we learn a lot about CJP's potential in year 1.
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Don't know how you get the idea of the talent on our roster. We have an awful OL, terrible at wr,qb, LB. We do have some talented players, and maybe good coaching can bring some of the others out. I think Pruitt is a very good hire, but don't look for him to turn it around the first year. I would be happy with 6 wins the first year, and see steady improvement after that. Kirby Smart on the other hand inherited a great roster of players and he was only 8 and 5 the first year.
 
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Not going to set win totals to gauge JPs ability in year 1. I just want to see some player development, improved game management, and kids playing hard for 4 quarters.
 
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perico said:
I think 9 wins. He is a good coach and we will upset one or two. Depending on development, I think and hope his offensive staff will work wonders with Guarantano. The kid has the talent to be an elite SEC QB.
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Our team should have won 7 this year, and would have if Botch was worth a crap.

I agree, 9 is definitely possible if our team is healthy and aggressive. Although I will be happy with 7 or 8.
 
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Coy53175 said:
Uhmmmm I’m Debbie Downer and I need a job and I wanted Bill Belicheck to be the coach and Satan to be the OC and I wanted Brett Fabre as the QB ......Headlines Budddd. All in or get out. You stand here with one foot in for him and one foot out. Go jump on the Bamawagon
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Good god. Are you stupid too? Nobody can have a different opinion? This is not a homerun hire. He’s a football guy though. I think we are all on board. But this is no damn different than the last hire. Same crap was said about Butch. We failed in this hiring process. In an epic fashion. Hopefully we got lucky and got a decent coach. His best attributes are he has worked with great people. Wether or not he is great remains to be seen. But this poster can have an opinion without being an idiot. Have you noticed the last ten years. Where do you think we rank in this years coaching race? First? Yeah we blew it out of the water. Hopefully we got a football guy, but this was the opposite of impressive as a coaching search goes.
 
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vol1950 said:
Don't know how you get the idea of the talent on our roster. We have an awful OL, terrible at wr,qb, LB. We do have some talented players, and maybe good coaching can bring some of the others out. I think Pruitt is a very good hire, but don't look for him to turn it around the first year. I would be happy with 6 wins the first year, and see steady improvement after that. Kirby Smart on the other hand inherited a great roster of players and he was only 8 and 5 the first year.
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We didn't get out talented save two games last year. They recruited these guys at their respective teams. I think it's fair..
 
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utvols74 said:
Didn't Botch say the same thing? Not being negative, but I thought he did.
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I don't recall Butch ever saying anything like that. In fact at one point when he changed qb he said it would not change offensive scheme. He used the same offensive scheme regardless of personnel.
 
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WestTnHawk said:
We didn't get out talented save two games last year. They recruited these guys at their respective teams. I think it's fair..
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Ok, you just changed my mind, you are right. If we have Ky and Vanderbilt, still on our schedule and win the first three, and then SC and Fla. That could be 7 wins, and we really don't know how Ga. will be next year, they are losing 31 seniors. And Auburn does not play concistantly at all, we could beat them. I just don't want to get my hopes up; I don't know who our other games are with. Two more games with someone.
 
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Biopsyman said:
We will be awful next year... Not because of our coach.. We have very few difference makers on the roster and not the right players to run a 3-4 defense. Look for significant improvement perhaps 7 wins in year 2
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winning 6 games with this team may get coach of the year:crazy:
 
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2018 is a complete mulligan year imo. Pruitt is walking into a football team full of paper talents. Good on paper, poor on the field. He acknowledged Tennessee needs a cultute change and he is right. Thats going to take at least a year imo.

If JP wins 6 games in 2018, then thats a success Imo. The floor is 3 wins. 3 wins or less and I will being to think less of him.
 
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5-7 next year
7-5 2019
9-3 2020 (possible win of East)
8-4 2021 (slight step back)
10-2 2022 (win east, play for SEC title)

This the floor. I think ceiling is higher. I can see next year being 7-5 as a real possibility.
 
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GVol1966 said:
Probably, but he was a fake, and a lier!
Pruitt doesn’t seem like one
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I am kinda numb after 10 years, so I will have to take a wait and see attitude. I will say he seemed like a straight shooter in the presser, which is quite refreshing.

A tell-tale sign will be what kind of recruiting class we get by February. If we pull in a top 10 class, that will say a lot.
 
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TN_Transplant said:
5-7 next year
7-5 2019
9-3 2020 (possible win of East)
8-4 2021 (slight step back)
10-2 2022 (win east, play for SEC title)

This the floor. I think ceiling is higher. I can see next year being 7-5 as a real possibility.
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Thats about how I feel. Although depending on how he recruits, I think its possible CJP could win the East in year 3.
 
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Every game outside of Georgia, Florida, Alabama and the rotating West game should be guaranteed wins. We should NEVER lose to Kentucky, Missouri, Vandy or SoCar.. and we should never lose a non conference game.

I will be disappointed with anything less than 8-4. We absolutely have the talent to go 8-4 at a minimum. No “rebuilding” required for that.

By year 3 we should be able to win the East... Butch was only a few points away from doing it in his 3rd year, with the players he recruited. If you say that’s too much to expect, then you’re saying Pruitt is not as good as Butch.
 
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bigorangecrush89 said:
Getting bowl eligible would be great. Will be tough.
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It won't. Butch won 5 with a much less talented team his first year.

My floor is 7-5 and a bowl W. Anything under that he should already be on the hot seat.

Like it or not this is a talented team and he has to win. No grace period for him to learn to be a HC.

I will not trash him until his first season. Let him be judged on his own merit as a HC.
 
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14VolFan88 said:
It won't. Butch won 5 with a much less talented team his first year.

My floor is 7-5 and a bowl W. Anything under that he should already be on the hot seat.

Like it or not this is a talented team and he has to win. No grace period for him to learn to be a HC.

I will not trash him until his first season. Let him be judged on his own merit as a HC.
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Butch had a talented offensive line his first year that Dooley left. They may have all been seniors with no one on the bench, but they were talented.

Butch didn't leave much of a line.
 
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Remember when we allowed coaches to have a year zero? Yeah, glad we’re done with that.
 
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Biopsyman said:
We will be awful next year... Not because of our coach.. We have very few difference makers on the roster and not the right players to run a 3-4 defense. Look for significant improvement perhaps 7 wins in year 2
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7 wins should not be out of the question for yr 1. We hit rock bottom this yr and we still nearly won the FL, UK and SC games. There's no reason he can't win 3 SEC games next yr
 
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87&91ALUM said:
Pruitt has our players tougher than Marines by the end of camp. Injured miraculously healed and everybody on board for WVa. New schemes improved technique across the board result in blow out win over WVa. Head into the Bama game at home undefeated. CJP and staff put together a game plan that leaves Bama crying all the way back to Tuscaloosa. UT wins SEC and National Championship games. CJP unanimous coach of the year. Dormady and Kelly co-Heisman winners...Tennessee's first and second. Oh yeah! VFL!
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I was with you until you said Dormady, that interception machine should transfer and succeed elsewhere like Peterman and Ferguson. JG is a far more vocal leader and takes way better care of the ball, with better coaching and more confidence in himself and his recievers and the sky is the limit with him.
 
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WestTnHawk said:
Hi everyone! Believe it or not, this is my first thread! I'm excited to have this new opportunity. I look to share with fellow Vols and try to, at least, play a devil's advocate.

First, I will pass judgement on JP after the Florida game. While I'm not happy with the hire, I have become less apathetic. I think we can all agree if he's as good as we hope, his staff included, they'll find a way to win that game.

Second, What is your floor for next season? What is the lowest win total you can stomach before you think we're in trouble? I think we can win 8 games every year. Next year is difficult for an established HC, can CJP get the Ws he needs?

I look forward to your comments! Go Vols ya scallawags! :rock::rock:
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8 wins? Get a grip – our talent level isn't as good as some think and the schedule is brutal. I hope you are right and if JP wins 8 he should be coach of the year!
 
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TN_Transplant said:
Butch had a talented offensive line his first year that Dooley left. They may have all been seniors with no one on the bench, but they were talented.

Butch didn't leave much of a line.
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He did even better his second year with 3 true freshman OL and 2 upper classmen who never started a game. Now, I'm not defending him because that's when I started to figure out he was an imbecile (and was called a Negavol because of it), but none the less his OL is no excuse. Trey will be a first round pick one day and that's more than Butch had his second year on the OL. He also took that same team and destroyed Iowa in the bowl game. Don't give me the Dobbs/Barnett excuse, Butch recruited them and that's part of it too. If Pruitt is such a great recruiter he can recruit guys like that too.
 
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1955bamavol said:
8 wins? Get a grip – our talent level isn't as good as some think and the schedule is brutal. I hope you are right and if JP wins 8 he should be coach of the year!
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Still better than 2013. We have future first round draft picks at RB and OL. He has the talent to win 7 plus a bowl win. No excuses.
 
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