Citrus Bowl Possible.

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Christian Lowe said:
Sugar, Citrus, and the rest are equal.
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Not exactly. It goes Sugar and all the other NY6, then Citrus, then six bowls are co-equal, then way at the bottom, below the six equal bowls, are the Birmingham and Independence Bowls.

# 1 & 2 -- CFP & NY6 -- Sugar...Orange...Peach...Cotton...Fiesta...Rose
# 3 -- Citrus
# 4 to 9 -- TaxSlayer (ACC/B10), Liberty (B12), Outback (B10), Music City (ACC/B10), Belk (ACC), Texas (B12)
# 10 -- Birmingham (American)
# 11 -- Independence (ACC)
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It is possible for the SEC to get 3 teams into the NY6 bowls, but that's not likely to happen this year. We'd have to have 3 or more teams top-loaded in the CFP rankings to hope for that.

Jax_Vol said:
How do you determine the 'second place' team? We have two divisions.

Alabama will go to a NC playoff game. Sugar gets first pick of the remainder and they take Ole Miss. Last time gators went there, they brought 8000 fans. Citrus dont want Florida either since they only bring day trippers. Plus, Michigan vs The Hatter is a huge draw.
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Second place is by position in the final CFP rankings. Sure to be Ole Miss unless Florida somehow upsets Bama in Atlanta.

Florida falling precipitously down the rankings will likely also keep the SEC from getting 3 teams into the playoffs & NY6 (the Sugar & Peach scenario someone mentioned).

So right now it probably looks like:

Playoffs (Orange or Cotton): Alabama
Sugar: Ole Miss
Citrus: prob. LSU
Outback / TaxSlayer / Belk / Texas / Liberty / Music City: some combo of Vols, Florida, Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and A&M
Birmingham: Auburn
Independence: Kentucky, maybe (NCAA figuring out how 5-7 teams will fit in--Mizzou has already said they would decline a 5-7 bowl invite)

All that could slip and slide around some to make more palatable matches...for instance, Auburn to Birmingham seems like a non-starter, so could possibly see them flip with another team near them in position.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Not exactly. It goes Sugar and all the other NY6, then Citrus, then six bowls are co-equal, then way at the bottom, below the six equal bowls, are the Birmingham and Independence Bowls.



It is possible for the SEC to get 3 teams into the NY6 bowls, but that's not likely to happen this year. We'd have to have 3 or more teams top-loaded in the CFP rankings to hope for that.



Second place is by position in the final CFP rankings. Sure to be Ole Miss unless Florida somehow upsets Bama in Atlanta.

Florida falling precipitously down the rankings will likely also keep the SEC from getting 3 teams into the playoffs & NY6 (the Sugar & Peach scenario someone mentioned).

So right now it probably looks like:

Playoffs (Orange or Cotton): Alabama
Sugar: Ole Miss
Citrus: prob. LSU
Outback / TaxSlayer / Belk / Texas / Liberty / Music City: some combo of Vols, Florida, Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and A&M
Birmingham: Auburn
Independence: Mizzou or Kentucky, maybe (NCAA figuring out how 5-7 teams will fit in)

All that could slip and slide around some to make more palatable matches...for instance, Auburn to Birmingham seems like a non-starter, so could possibly see them flip with another team near them in position.
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Your analysis lists the six as equal bowls, but they are not revenue wise. Citrus, then Outback, then Texas, then Music City and Taxslayer (same payout). then Belk, and finally Liberty. This list was based on last year's payout.
 
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VAVolsFan2009 said:
Your analysis lists the six as equal bowls, but they are not revenue wise. Citrus, then Outback, then Texas, then Music City and Taxslayer (same payout). then Belk, and finally Liberty. This list was based on last year's payout.
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Well, Citrus is not one of the six co-equals. You list them as if they were included in that group.

The other six are co-equal in that they've all signed a contract with the SEC allowing the conference to match teams in the #4 to #9 spots with those bowls, as co-equals.

You can certainly rank them in other ways. Your monetary payout method is one way. By the way, I think the SEC, by agreement among all the universities, pools all the bowl money and shares it out equally among them. So there's no real scrabbling to get to a higher $$ bowl just for the payout.

Prestige is another way, and that's usually tied to the age and lineage of the bowls. In that vein, they would rank:

1946 -- Gator Bowl --> TaxSlayer
1959 -- Liberty Bowl
1986 -- Hall of Fame Bowl --> Outback
1998 -- Music City Bowl
2002 -- Belk Bowl
2006 -- Texas Bowl

Or you could rank them by the day they are played, a January Bowl generally being more desirable than one on Dec 30th or 31st, and a Dec 30/31 bowl being better than the bowls earlier than that.

By that metric, the TaxSlayer and Outback are best, because they're both 1 Jan bowls. The other 4 are played in December.

So there's all sorts of ways you can distinguish among them. But when it comes to pecking order and placement, those six are co-equals. Contractually.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Not exactly. It goes Sugar and all the other NY6, then Citrus, then six bowls are co-equal, then way at the bottom, below the six equal bowls, are the Birmingham and Independence Bowls.



It is possible for the SEC to get 3 teams into the NY6 bowls, but that's not likely to happen this year. We'd have to have 3 or more teams top-loaded in the CFP rankings to hope for that.



Second place is by position in the final CFP rankings. Sure to be Ole Miss unless Florida somehow upsets Bama in Atlanta.

Florida falling precipitously down the rankings will likely also keep the SEC from getting 3 teams into the playoffs & NY6 (the Sugar & Peach scenario someone mentioned).

So right now it probably looks like:

Playoffs (Orange or Cotton): Alabama
Sugar: Ole Miss
Citrus: prob. LSU
Outback / TaxSlayer / Belk / Texas / Liberty / Music City: some combo of Vols, Florida, Georgia, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and A&M
Birmingham: Auburn
Independence: Kentucky, maybe (NCAA figuring out how 5-7 teams will fit in--Mizzou has already said they would decline a 5-7 bowl invite)

All that could slip and slide around some to make more palatable matches...for instance, Auburn to Birmingham seems like a non-starter, so could possibly see them flip with another team near them in position.
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They'll just open it up to rewarding the schools based on their recent academic progress rates...which goes something like (in order):

Nebraska - 985
Kansas State (if they lose to WVU next weekend) - 976
Missouri - 976
Minnesota - 975
SJSU - 975
Illinois - 973
Rice - 973
Texas (if they beat currently-#8 Baylor next week) - 958
UTEP - 954
Old Dominion - 951
ECU - 950
Buffalo - 948
Kentucky - 945
South Alabama (if they lose to Appy St) -943
GA St (if they lose to GA Southern ) - 940
FIU - 933



The bowls stuck without enough teams to fill them (after also having pulled from any conferences that have a team or more than their allowed number of bowl bids) pretty much will have to go in order unless one of the schools chooses to pass on being selected by APR.

So UK is pretty much screwed unless somewhere like 7-8 schools choose to pass.




Edit: You already noted it, but yes Missouri chose today to pass on going to a bowl game based on its APR. Their AD says they’d rather keep focused on finding Gary Pinkel's replacement.
 
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#80
Everyone knows they aren't equal. Now the bowls, SEC and teams all get their say for best matchup / attendance / game.
 
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VAVolsFan2009 said:
Your analysis lists the six as equal bowls, but they are not revenue wise. Citrus, then Outback, then Texas, then Music City and Taxslayer (same payout). then Belk, and finally Liberty. This list was based on last year's payout.
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While the bowl payout to the individual team is different (and I think the team only takes like half of it, with the rest of it going back to the conference shared pool anyways), the Outback, Texas, Music City, Taxslayer, Belk, and Liberty are all pretty much equal tier in the sense that the teams playing in them are based on a decision/placement made by the SEC front offices from a pool of about 6 close to similar record teams (pretty much the 6 best-record teams following the Playoff, New Years 6 games, and Citrus bowl selections).


And the selection's also not really made with any sort of idea towards correlating record to payout (half-payout) among them, either.
 
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I am the scout from FCS (Citrus Bowl) that attended the game on Saturday. We do send a pair of scouts to every game that the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Big 10 play -- every week. Once a team is out of the running, we stop scouting.

My trip went on, as planned -- and I am back home in Orlando. I had a great time in Knoxville, and would love to see my VOLS make the trip down here... Been too long.

The decision is not up to me (unfortunately), so I will anxiously await what unfolds next weekend like all of you.

Bonus: Tampa is only an hour away from me, so I'd settle for the Outback.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Bingo. Who's playing the best football right now? LSU, UGA, UF, OM, TN? It's probably between us and Ole Miss.
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But do they have a choice? Because if they do, you know they will prefer our fan base over theirs.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
I am the scout from FCS (Citrus Bowl) that attended the game on Saturday. We do send a pair of scouts to every game that the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Big 10 play -- every week. Once a team is out of the running, we stop scouting.

My trip went on, as planned -- and I am back home in Orlando. I had a great time in Knoxville, and would love to see my VOLS make the trip down here... Been too long.

The decision is not up to me (unfortunately), so I will anxiously await what unfolds next weekend like all of you.


Bonus: Tampa is only an hour away from me, so I'd settle for the Outback.
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Place yo bets:

Playoffs (Orange or Cotton): Alabama
Sugar: Ole Miss
Citrus: LSU
Outback: Vols
TaxSlayer: Mississippi State
Belk; Texas A&M
Texas; Georgia
Liberty; Florida
Music City: Arkansas
Birmingham: Auburn
Independence: Kentucky
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Place yo bets:

Playoffs (Orange or Cotton): Alabama
Sugar: Ole Miss
Citrus: LSU
Outback: Vols
TaxSlayer: Mississippi State
Belk; Texas A&M
Texas; Georgia
Liberty; Florida
Music City: Arkansas
Birmingham: Auburn
Independence: Kentucky
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My bet's on UK staying home, unless a whole bunch of 5-7 teams decide to go the same route as Missouri.





The NCAA Division I Council on Monday approved a one-time process in which the Division I Football Oversight Committee will identify 5-7 teams with the highest Academic Progress Rates to bring the total of eligible bowl teams to 80 or 81. The APR scores used will be from the 2013-14 academic year, the most recent year for which the scores are publicly available.

Teams that finished with five wins are needed to fill additional bowl slots this year. So far, 75 teams – five short of the 80 needed – have met the required six wins for bowl eligibility. Kansas State University, Georgia State University and the University of South Alabama could also reach their sixth victories this weekend.

If all three reach bowl eligibility, the number of bowl-eligible teams would still fall short of the 80 teams needed to fulfill all bowl games. All teams eligible for postseason play and reaching six victories will be selected.

In its discussion, the Council recognized the NCAA does not manage bowl contracts, which are agreements between bowls and conferences. Accordingly, the Division I Football Oversight Committee will not be involved in the process of selecting teams to bowl games but will create a pool of teams that are eligible to be selected by bowls looking for teams.

Implemented in 2003 as part of an ambitious academic reform effort in Division I, the NCAA Academic Progress Rate holds schools accountable for the academic progress of their college athletes through a team-based report card that accounts for the eligibility and retention of each student-athlete for each academic term.

The current Academic Progress Rate scores for teams with five wins are:

• Nebraska (985)

• Kansas State (976)

• Missouri (976)

• Minnesota (975)

• San Jose State (975)

• Illinois (973)

• Rice (973)

The Football Oversight Committee is planning to form a task force in January to study bowl eligibility in the future.
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NCAA Football: Council approves process to allow 5-7 teams into bowl games | NCAA.com
 
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Orlando Vol said:
I am the scout from FCS (Citrus Bowl) that attended the game on Saturday. We do send a pair of scouts to every game that the SEC, ACC, Big 12 and Big 10 play -- every week. Once a team is out of the running, we stop scouting.

My trip went on, as planned -- and I am back home in Orlando. I had a great time in Knoxville, and would love to see my VOLS make the trip down here... Been too long.

The decision is not up to me (unfortunately), so I will anxiously await what unfolds next weekend like all of you.

Bonus: Tampa is only an hour away from me, so I'd settle for the Outback.
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So what did you tell the decision maker(s)? Scanned email/report preferred, but a pinky promise will suffice.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Thanks Jimmy. Citrus twitter made it kind of clear they want Florida, Ole Miss or LSU though.
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Sadly the new reality is we are hoping to get Citrus while back in the 90's Spurrier used to make fun of us saying you can't spell Citrus without UT.
 
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TGVol said:
Sadly the new reality is we are hoping to get Citrus while back in the 90's Spurrier used to make fun of us saying you can't spell Citrus without UT.
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It's not a 'new' reality. It has been our reality for 7--now 8--long years, and we're just now emerging from the darkness.

But better days are ahead. :good!:
 
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#96
Complete waste of money sending bowl reps out to these games. This isn't 1960 anymore where you can't see things like attendance, style of play, or scores of games on demand.

Doesn't make sense to spend $ that way
 
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#97
May have already been posted but Vince Fararra said today that he spoke with the Citrus Bowl and they said UT is not a school they're considering.
 
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