Chris Low Says It Will Be “Difficult” For Pruitt To Stay As HC

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BeecherVol said:
Why should you expect a fired HC to lie to a recruit to get him to the school that just fired him? That doesn't make sense for one and its unethical to boot.
You want to screw up future recruiting classes? Let it be known you re asking your fired head coach to lie to recruits and players in the name of attrition.

If a coach fails, the school is left with the repercussions of a bad hire. Thats on the school for not hiring a better coach.

I've never said they ve decided to keep him. But I also don't think they ve decided or told him he was fired either.
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I never once said he should lie to recruits. What I did say was there’s nothing in this investigation that says he can’t still recruit players.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
I am not sure this is totally correct. I do believe it is a big factor. But, it probably isn't the main factor. The players know coaches come and go. The SEC has became a revolving door lately! I also believe the SEC does the best in recruiting due to the absurd amount of facility upgrades they are making all the time. Coaches aren't new and shiny! LOL
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It doesn't fit every player and every situation, no.

But if UT is recruiting a kid from Florida to East TN the first impression made is the coach. The next impression with most parents is can I trust my kid with this coach. Its not that the school or program doesn't matter but that relationship is very important especially for kids coming from distance.

If UT is recruiting a kid from Maryville the draw may be the school before the coach.
And in reverse your kids from Oak Ridge and Knoxville may turn down the home school to go to Clemson or UGA because they don't like the home school coach.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
I never once said he should lie to recruits. What I did say was there’s nothing in this investigation that says he can’t still recruit players.
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How would Pruitt know hes not gonna be back unless he's been told that?
 
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MIT_Beaver said:
I would think a teacher would be more aware of education topics.
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Well I would assume an educated person like yourself would know a better way to articulate his point. Your statement about Middle Indiana Tech having a SLOAN school and then the randomness of “Google” made zero sense to me. However, if you’re trying to question my integrity as a teacher, I’ll have you know that I googled Middle Indiana Tech and the only thing I could find was something about an engineering camp at an Indiana Tech, which is not Middle Indiana Tech—you’d think an MIT grad such as yourself would know the difference between school names (🤔). If you’re trying to say you’re legitimate because you went to camp there, I’m not sure that makes you a qualified individual. I visited space camp once, guess that makes me an astronaut now 🤷‍♂️
 
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PruittEra said:
Imo with our roster he wouldn't beat them in his first year. 2nd year he might beat florida maybe Georgia and 3rd year he would be able to taken on ga and Florida. Alabama is just so far ahead I can't envision us beating them in the near future unless Saban retires. Its a sad truth but watching them I see very few mistakes. They're very well coached. Imo it would take atleast 5 years to be where they are. That's with any coach. But tbh thats just my opinion. I just don't see enough talent on our roster at this point to compete with the big 3. But herman would be a big improvement but that also depends on his staff.
So first 3 years I could see 2-7 or 4-5 against them. But I could see him beating the lower tier SEC teams. The big three are in another league atm.
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2-7 and we are back to rinse and repeat. Just not good enough.
 
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Birdie said:
No, if a coach is continually getting their doors blown off while simultaneously making awful administrative and personnel decisions while showing zero progress on any level they will be shown the door.

I absolutely agree with you that a coach needs time to build his program and that will require some patience. I dont think anyone is demanding titles within 3yrs. I also don't think it is unreasonable to expect signs of progress. Maybe Bama blows your doors off year 1 by 35 but year 3 you can at least have a legitimately competitive game going into the 2nd while you beat team like UK and Arkansas?
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It amazes me that people forget that this coach went 8/5 with a bowl win less than two years after taking over the worst team in Tennessee history.

Sometimes people hear or say that a guy just can't cut it until they believe it without taking into account the entire body of work.

That's what got us here. They fired Fulmer one year removed from playing in the SEC championship. People have short memories when they're trying to reinforce poor logic.

Then to want to fire him after a pandemic? Now, they may have divulged enough bad dealings that he has to go. If he's cheated, I want him gone. I have no desire to win at any cost.
 
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BeecherVol said:
How would Pruitt know hes not gonna be back unless he's been told that?
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I never said he’s been told that either. All I’m saying is there’s nothing that’s preventing him from recruiting players to come to UT that’s all. In my opinion though he’s done and will not coach next year.
 
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BeecherVol said:
It doesn't fit every player and every situation, no.

But if UT is recruiting a kid from Florida to East TN the first impression made is the coach. The next impression with most parents is can I trust my kid with this coach. Its not that the school or program doesn't matter but that relationship is very important especially for kids coming from distance.

If UT is recruiting a kid from Maryville the draw may be the school before the coach.
And in reverse your kids from Oak Ridge and Knoxville may turn down the home school to go to Clemson or UGA because they don't like the home school coach.
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Wrong! Do you think Pruitt or any other ELITE RECRUITER would get any ELITE RECRUITS to come from Florida to UAB??? LOL Why do you think Pruitt and other coaches has said 'IT ISN'T HARD TO SELL THE TN BRAND'!!!
 
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KeyVol14 said:
I never said he’s been told that either. All I’m saying is there’s nothing that’s preventing him from recruiting players to come to UT that’s all. In my opinion though he’s done and will not coach next year.
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No.
But if "they" knew he was done after UK and that hasn't change over the months its not very ethical to have him recruiting players to a team they re not gonna let him coach. And that is not even considering the investigation. Thats being fired for the on the field product.

He may be done. I think its a good possibility. If they know that they shouldn't allow him to hire or recruit.
And there's no reason to screw around with the buyout when you have current players, recruits and transfers trying to decide what they re going to do.
 
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With the new transfer rules a coach is basically going to have to recruit his on players every year according to some in the media. Sadly I can see that happening and when the players start getting payed it will be worse....follow the money.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Wrong! Do you think Pruitt or any other ELITE RECRUITER would get any ELITE RECRUITS to come from Florida to UAB??? LOL
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Ha.
So its the school but Pruitt is an elite recruiter. Which is more less a requirement to work in the conference anymore.
Remind me again as to the point?
 
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thistime said:
With the new transfer rules a coach is basically going to have to recruit his on players every year according to some in the media. Sadly I can see that happening and when the players start getting played it will be worse....follow the money.
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There’s not going to be em masse transfers. 25 man rule still in effect.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Ha.
So its the school but Pruitt is an elite recruiter. Which is more less a requirement to work in the conference anymore.
Remind me again as to the point?
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If Tennessee gets nailed by the NCAA i wonder who the bagman was?

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89 VOLS grad said:
Wrong! Do you think Pruitt or any other ELITE RECRUITER would get any ELITE RECRUITS to come from Florida to UAB??? LOL Why do you think Pruitt and other coaches has said 'IT ISN'T HARD TO SELL THE TN BRAND'!!!
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As to the brand.
A part of that includes a coach that can win enough to still be the coach when his first FR class is SRs. As well as get guys to the NFL. Something the program is not doing at near the clip it used to.

If Pruitt is fired this year, 2 of our last 3 coaches have been fired before that was true and another left before his FR were academically SOs.

There is some truth to it. UT can get players but we ve had 1 top 10 roster since Fulmer was fired. That team played in the Music City Bowl and recruiting tanked directly after.
 
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butchna said:
There’s not going to be em masse transfers. 25 man rule still in effect.
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True but if you have 3 or 4 Soph's or Juniors that were 4 stars that are not happy with the school, coach or girlfriend for that matter and another coach needs the talent that can play now and he has a lucrative sponsor say Nike to funnel funds that 25 could be filled with several proven players and not high school hopefuls. This is all purely speculation on my part without a total grasp of how how any of these changes in the future will play out. I just read an article that was referring to Mullen and some of the people interviewed were talking about the reason he may go the pro route and recruiting changes were one of the reasons mentioned, not that rules have really mattered to him anyway.
 
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thistime said:
True but if you have 3 or 4 Soph's or Juniors that were 4 stars that are not happy with the school, coach or girlfriend for that matter and another coach needs the talent that can play now and he has a lucrative sponsor say Nike to funnel funds that 25 could be filled with several proven players and not high school hopefuls. This is all purely speculation on my part without a total grasp of how how any of these changes in the future will play out. I just read an article that was referring to Mullen and some of the people interviewed were talking about the reason he may go the pro route and recruiting changes were one of the reasons mentioned, not that rules have really mattered to him anyway.
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He wouldn’t be leaving because transfers are EASIER. If he had his druthers, his whole roster would be in their second school.
 
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butchna said:
He wouldn’t be leaving because transfers are EASIER. If he had his druthers, his whole roster would be in their second school.
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I agree totally and so would most college's except for the top few.
 
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thistime said:
I agree totally and so would most college's except for the top few.
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Bama likes their freshly harvested 5 stars...most programs follow suit. Bottom rung teams are starving for everybody else’s castoffs.
 
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thistime said:
I know you are close and would know much more than the average Joe so would you answer this question? Is the staff in the AD making the calls or is it boosters? I know they both have different types of influence with the Admin but it just appears that the right hand and left hand are not doing what the head is telling them and if they are the head has serious issues.
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Boosters aren't doing anything right now. The University hired outside council to assist in the Athletic Department's investigation. The investigation appeared to be very minor to start. That changed as they investigated more.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Boosters aren't doing anything right now. The University hired outside council to assist in the Athletic Department's investigation. The investigation appeared to be very minor to start. That changed as they investigated more.
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Thanks !!!!
 
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OldVol said:
It amazes me that people forget that this coach went 8/5 with a bowl win less than two years after taking over the worst team in Tennessee history.

Sometimes people hear or say that a guy just can't cut it until they believe it without taking into account the entire body of work.

That's what got us here. They fired Fulmer one year removed from playing in the SEC championship. People have short memories when they're trying to reinforce poor logic.

Then to want to fire him after a pandemic? Now, they may have divulged enough bad dealings that he has to go. If he's cheated, I want him gone. I have no desire to win at any cost.
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Firing Fulmer was a massive mistake. We're on the same page there.

1 mediocre season should save someone's job? For me, it's not the record. That is short-sighted. It's all the other things that have added up.

- constant changing of staff; more than the average HC

- mismanagement of the roster (JG is obvious but even worse, imo, is not getting young guys on the field this year to gain experience after the year was shot and they have a free eligibility year. That experience would have been HUGE. Now we will hear him say the "they're young and don't have experience" excuse.

- outdated offensive philosophy

- micromanaging his staff

- being a massive a-hole to everyone at UT to the point nobody likes him

- not taking Georgia state seriously. Hubbs and Price stated it.

- not taking 2020 seriously and not pushing the team in the off-season because you don't think there will be a season. Thats a big one imo. Covid or not, why do we want a HC who doesn't take every opportunity to try and make his team better? You think any good coach does that? You ALWAYS have to be getting better. Hubbs stated he did this

- not understanding how to scheme to your team. How many times has he stated a variation of "we called these plays at Alabama and they worked".. Guess what Coach, you dont have 5*'s 3 deep at each position, sometimes you have to adjust your play calling to your teams strengths and weaknesses.

I agree with you a competent coach needs time. But, imo, there have been too many things that show he isn't learning and adjusting. He is still making massive blunders in year 3 on basic program mgmt stuff. He is clearly not growing. Juan Jennings willing the team to a nice win streak over teams who had most of their coaches fired doesnt prove anything
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Boosters aren't doing anything right now. The University hired outside council to assist in the Athletic Department's investigation. The investigation appeared to be very minor to start. That changed as they investigated more.
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I would imagine there is quite a bit of tension in the AD any time their is an investigation especially when it involves the cash cow.
 
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