Chris Kyle: American hero or

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SamRebel35 said:
I don't get why you're butthurt about what I said. The guy I quoted said 'he had the balls to do the deed" or some such machismo nonsense. I interpreted that to mean that the difference between this guy and others was that he had the mental capability to flip a switch and kill people as if he were the terminator. My point is that mass murderers are capable of doing the same thing. Thus, either mass murderers are capable of being heros in a different situation, or "having the balls" is not what it means to be a hero.
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Mass murderers included in any discussion about Chris Kyle is asinine. I understand you're trying to make a point with some sort of relevancy but in no way are they similar.
 
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hog88 said:
Again, most of the mass murders in prison today never had anyone returning fire. Just a little distinction there.
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Most. OK, so what about the ones that did have fire returned? Do they possess the balls? If you put those few mass murderers behind a sniper rifle and magically bestowed the skill of a marksman in the desert and told them to go sick, would they not be able to do it too?
 
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ETV said:
Mass murderers included in any discussion about Chris Kyle is asinine. I understand you're trying to make a point with some sort of relevancy but in no way are they similar.
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If my point isn't relevant, than saying that "he had the balls" isn't relevant either.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Most. OK, so what about the ones that did have fire returned? Do they possess the balls? If you put those few mass murderers behind a sniper rifle and magically bestowed the skill of a marksman in the desert and told them to go sick, would they not be able to do it too?
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No. Most could not, they would be dead within minutes because they lack the discipline and craft.

Marksmanship is only a small fraction of the skills a sniper must have to be effective and survive. Now, the Navy and Army deploy and utilize snipers differently but the principles are the same.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
If my point isn't relevant, than saying that "he had the balls" isn't relevant either.
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I said using the term mass murderers with a comparison to what Kyle did during his deployments in the sand box are not comparable.
 
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hog88 said:
No. Most could not, they would be dead within minutes because they lack the discipline and craft.

Marksmanship is only a small fraction of the skills a sniper must have to be effective and survive. Now, the Navy and Army deploy and utilize snipers differently but the principles are the same.
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Ok good. So you are saying that "having the balls" doesn't mean anything. It isn't what makes a sniper able to do what he does. That's all I was trying to illustrate.
 
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ETV said:
I said using the term mass murderers with a comparison to what Kyle did during his deployments in the sand box are not comparable.
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They do have something in common though. They both have the ability to dispatch with life with impunity and with no regard to their own safety. Normal humans don't possess the capability to enter that state of mind. So is that what makes a hero?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Ok good. So you are saying that "having the balls" doesn't mean anything. It isn't what makes a sniper able to do what he does. That's all I was trying to illustrate.
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I never said anything about balls, I took exception to your idea a mass murder could do the same.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
They do have something in common though. They both have the ability to dispatch with life with impunity and with no regard to their own safety. Normal humans don't possess the capability to enter that state of mind. So is that what makes a hero?
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Wrong again. A sniper cannot take a life with impunity.
 
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hog88 said:
I never said anything about balls, I took exception to your idea a mass murder could do the same.
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All things being equal, they could. They possess the switch that can be set to "terminator". I don't think normal people have that.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
All things being equal, they could. They possess the switch that can be set to "terminator". I don't think normal people have that.
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Most do not, only a minute few would fall into that category. How many do you know?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
They do have something in common though. They both have the ability to dispatch with life with impunity and with no regard to their own safety. Normal humans don't possess the capability to enter that state of mind. So is that what makes a hero?
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Ironically enough, women tend to make very good snipers due to having a higher (on average compared to men) patience and ability to empathize with their target to better understand and wait for the perfect shot.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
All things being equal, they could. They possess the switch that can be set to "terminator". I don't think normal people have that.
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They don't. It's been shown in psychological studies that most of the guys in these elite units are sociopaths. That's not a slam or saying they aren't good people. It just means they don't have emotional responses that many of us do.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
They do have something in common though. They both have the ability to dispatch with life with impunity and with no regard to their own safety. Normal humans don't possess the capability to enter that state of mind. So is that what makes a hero?
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Carrying this on is only going to continue to end in total disagreement. I have my opinion and you have yours.
 
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davethevol said:
They don't. It's been shown in psychological studies that most of the guys in these elite units are sociopaths. That's not a slam or saying they aren't good people. It just means they don't have emotional responses that many of us do.
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I know there was a huge uproar when a USMC Scout Sniper unit was photographed holding up an infamous symbol for something else containing double-Ss.

For apparently 30 some-odd years no single USMC Scout Sniper thought that was perhaps a bad idea.
 
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ETV said:
Carrying this on is only going to continue to end in total disagreement. I have my opinion and you have yours.
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I think you're getting upset because you think I'm associating Chris Kyle with mass murderers. I'm not. I'm just saying that the same thing that enables Kyle to do his job is the same thing that enables murderers to kill. If you disagree, on what grounds? Don't take this personal. I'm not making any moral judgements against him or people that think he is a hero.
 
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therealUT said:
Negative, I never killed nor ordered anyone to kill an individual simply because they were a male between the ages of 15 and 55. Chris Kyle is on the record as saying he did. I find that not only criminal but repulsive.
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Did not know that...
 
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Dave1967 said:
Crap like that is why i've got pretty much all the liberals on here on ignore. That post is beneath contempt
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Trut? A liberal? Perhaps a classic liberal. But he certainly doesn't fit into the definition of a modern day liberal.
 
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