Chris Dorch on Tyndall filling this recruiting class...

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volfan37921 said:
Won't pull a heavens gate, but would be surprised considering Tyndall couldn't manage even a single four star recruit in his entire career so far.
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If I'm a prospect I'm looking at TBA with my jaw wide open. Tennessee fans don't really understand how big TBA is compared to 99 percent of places - even basketball schools. And when I get a look at the facilities that wide open jaw hits the floor. At that point, I know right away that this school has everything I need to make it to the pros (and let's be honest many athletes, especially in basketball, don't think - I need someone who can develop me, although Tyndall has proven he can develop a great player). Then I realize, I can test my skills against the most heralded class ever in the form of UK's current class/team and I'm chomping at the bit. I don't care about conference history or even school history as an athlete I've got confidence in myself and know this is a school that has everything I want and more. The coach just has to convince me that he can be trusted and wants to and can help me reach my goals.

As Jones pointed, Tennessee sells itself, and that goes beyond just our football program. If you're an athlete in FB or Basketball (women's or men's) everything you want in terms of fans, facilities, support, and so on is already in place. Just a matter of whether the coach can establish trust with you and your family and sell the place.

IOW, we have a lot more going for us than people realize but yeah, it takes the right coach to capitalize on it.
 
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volfan37921 said:
In 3 years at Missouri State he had 4 3 star recruits and 1 4 star recruit. Out recruited him 6 years in a row.
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So he out recruited Tyndall at Morehead State and Southern Miss? Bet he would've dominated in Kramer's dojo on Seinfeld :)
 
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Dortch is on 104.5 Nashville every week during hoops season...this guy knows what he is talking about,knows the game, and is generally in the know...if he gave CDT this high praise,I'd believe it more times than not...He may not get the recruits Dortch thinks he will this time around,but I think Dortch is saying most of the time he will and that is a very good thing...
 
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volfan37921 said:
In 3 years at Missouri State he had 4 3 star recruits and 1 4 star recruit. Out recruited him 6 years in a row.
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and still never made a NCAA tourney till this year...
and that was by the skin of his teeth... meanwhile CDT beat Rick Pitino in the NCAA's...with according to you,crap talent...you like apples?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
so I guess he is ok if he signs 2 because that equals Pearl and Martin combined.

I guess, my question is why worry about it?

He is not going to sit on his backside and do nothing.
He will get the players he needs and coach the ones he's got.
He may surprise some fans and he may not.
I am willing to give him a chance so why are you being such a snot?

Let's wait and see if he can coach in the SEC,
before you shove him out the door and call him history.
Six months to go before he puts on his show.
Only time will tell, if Donnie can bring hell.
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My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
 
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volfan37921 said:
My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
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Better odds than we had and ultimately lived up to under our previous hack coach Cuonzo Martin? :whistling:
 
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volfan37921 said:
My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
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if Martin was above average,CDT is a hall of famer...
 
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volfan37921 said:
My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
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What makes you an expert to be able to see into the future? I guess that you have all the answers concerning Tennessee Basketball! Why don't you let us know when Tennessee will win the National Championship so we can start being interested again!:loco:
 
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volfan37921 said:
My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
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Really don't think Buzz or Martin has a resume better than Tyndall.

Point is Tyndall had a resume which qualified him to be hired as our coach. Second, Tyndall is by leaps and bounds a better fit here than Martin. Time will tell but he maybe better than several other previous coaches.

You are going to have to exercise some patience because time will tell. Well you don't have to but you will not look as foolish down the road if he pans out.

1 in 10 up and comers. Why? and Where did that stat come from? I don't even know if I know an up and Comer? If Martin was then he made it, just saying. He just didn't fit. OBTW he left.....couldn't handle making it, I guess.

You need to let some of this go. All your posts are negative. CDT can't recruit 4*, up and comer, bad resume, never coached at the level, losing players on and on.

He hasn't coached a game here, yet and you are dooming and glooming.
 
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volfan37921 said:
My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
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What?

First, Martin was not above average. If he was he would not have backed into one tourney in 6 years as a head coach, especially with the roster he had to work with at UT. The UTAD would have gone with a 3-4 year extension and a longer, larger buy out like CDT received.

Second, did Martin beat Rick Pitino in the one tourney he has been in with a team at a lesser mid-major that he built from a 4 win team roster at the start? No - he beat Iowa and Mercer. CDT won 56 games in 2 seasons at Southern Miss for goodness sake.

Move on, you are missing the mark badly.
 
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kevino said:
Come on now , Donnie Knoxville hasn't had the draw before that he has now . There's a big difference between trying to get players to come to UT than USM
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You make a really good point. I am not on the Butch bandwagon yet due to his on the field coaching decisions, but since he has arrived in Knoxville his recruiting is on an entirely different level. Same could happen with Donnie Knoxville with our environment, fan base, and facilities.
 
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volfan37921 said:
In 3 years at Missouri State he had 4 3 star recruits and 1 4 star recruit. Out recruited him 6 years in a row.
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I can't seem to find these guys you're talking about.

In 2008 Missouri State signed 4 unranked 2 stars. In 2009 they signed 3 unranked 2 stars. In 2010 they signed 3 unranked 2 stars.

Their only 3 star recruits in the last 8 years were before Martin arrived and after he left.
 
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jknox33 said:
I saw that DT recruited Armani as well and his HS coach felt that Armani would thrive in the uptempo style. This was a radio interview several days ago. Said Armani wanted to commit to USM, but it was UT pursuing and went with his highest offer.
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Of all the returning players (with the exception of possibly Hubbs), Moore's talents would appear to best fit a running / pressing type of game. AM may see the biggest jump in playing time and contribution as a result of this coaching change.
 
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volfan37921 said:
In 3 years at Missouri State he had 4 3 star recruits and 1 4 star recruit. Out recruited him 6 years in a row.
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Link?

I find this almost impossible to believe as in his 3 years at the big boy school UT, he didn't recruit much better than that with the exception of Stokes and Hubbs.
 
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walkenvol said:
Link?

I find this almost impossible to believe as in his 3 years at the big boy school UT, he didn't recruit much better than that with the exception of Stokes and Hubbs.
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I looked it up on Scout and Rivals and there were a couple of three stars, a bunch of two stars and several no stars. Didn't see any 4 stars.
 
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trae golden was a 4. Hall as well. Renaldo Woolridge was a 3 or 4. I'd take just about anybody on the court over them. Star rating doesn't mean you can play ball or play a role in a system or make your team better, or even take coaching. It means you lit up the aau circuit where they play no D and got on the hype train by going to camps.
 
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Had to look up Chris Dorch, and he tweeted out this link today.

http://chrisdortch.info/advanced-st...f-new-tennessee-coach-donnie-tyndalls-system/

Pretty interesting article. To be honest, I've been rather, meh, about the hiring of CDT. Some of the statistical numbers in the article were concerning (adjusted tempo, turnovers), but this quote really intrigued me...I'd love to know who it was that said this...

“They’ll absolutely obliterate people on the offensive glass,” said one Division I coach who knows Tyndall well but preferred not to be identified. “They’re gonna be tough as ****. I know Tennessee fans don’t want to hear that after coach Martin and the whole ‘Tougher Breed’ thing, but they’ll be much tougher than Martin’s teams. You’ll see.”
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
Had to look up Chris Dorch, and he tweeted out this link today.

Advanced statistics provide preview of new Tennessee coach Donnie Tyndall’s system

Pretty interesting article. To be honest, I've been rather, meh, about the hiring of CDT. Some of the statistical numbers in the article were concerning (adjusted tempo, turnovers), but this quote really intrigued me...I'd love to know who it was that said this...

“They’ll absolutely obliterate people on the offensive glass,” said one Division I coach who knows Tyndall well but preferred not to be identified. “They’re gonna be tough as ****. I know Tennessee fans don’t want to hear that after coach Martin and the whole ‘Tougher Breed’ thing, but they’ll be much tougher than Martin’s teams. You’ll see.”
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If they better on O-boards than last years team, that would really be something.
 
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volfan37921 said:
My whole point is every coach hired at this level has a resume at least as good as Tyndall. Everything that's being said about Tyndall was said about Buzz Peterson. Word for word. Martin wasn't a great coach, he was above average. Tyndall's resume isn't that great. One out of every ten up and comer makes it. Odds are he won't.
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Wasn't everyone an "up and comer" at one time or another?
 
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Tyndall knows what he needs here. His words if you haven't read them yet:

Southern Mississippi's roster this season included seven junior-college transfers and two Division I transfers. Tyndall says his recruiting approach will change now that he's in the SEC. He plans to target Tennessee, Georgia and Florida while emphasizing Memphis.

"At this level, you have to for the most part recruit top-100 type high school players and build it with high school guys," Tyndall said. "This first year could be a little different because it's so late in the process. Trying to get the best high school players, there just aren't many of those out there right now. I do think moving forward you'll have a timely junior-college transfer or four-year transfer sprinkled in with predominantly high school guys."
 
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