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hUTch2002 said:
Except that if this spurned a bunch of other autonomous zones and what started as 6 blocks turned into 60,000 and the same issues occurred in the other zones. How did this zone do anything but add to the divisiveness?
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I didn't find it to be very divisive. I thought it was a little silly and pointless, but under the circumstances, a relative harmless outlet.
 
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luthervol said:
I didn't find it to be very divisive. I thought it was a little silly and pointless, but under the circumstances, a relative harmless outlet.
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I’d guess the people that lived in that area and didn’t agree with it would disagree. Plus, they had armed guards and wouldn’t let the police in. That’s pretty damn divisive.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I’d guess the people that lived in that area and didn’t agree with it would disagree. Plus, they had armed guards and wouldn’t let the police in. That’s pretty damn divisive.
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I'm sticking with my original point.
It was never what the right wing media attempted to portray.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm sticking with my original point.
It was never what the right wing media attempted to portray.
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I agree to a point. It turned out not to be as big of a deal as was made of it. The crazies tried to set up other zones, they just didn’t take like they did in Seattle.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm sticking with my original point.
It was never what the right wing media attempted to portray.
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An armed take over of city property , declaring not to be part of the US ( CHAZ ) , setting up borders with armed guards , by different political groups while segregating by color and encouraging white people to pay reparations to blacks ? 🤔 seem pretty spot on to me .
 
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MG1968 said:
At least 3 were murdered by CHOP “security” forces. Apparently, the murder of unarmed black people only concerns you if it’s a cop holding the gun.
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This really gets to the root of it. Until black folks start rioting/marching/demanding change from their own community, the majority of people are going to shrug off their grousing about police on black violence. Their complaints are legitimate, but it's high time they look in the mirror.
 
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0nelilreb said:
An armed take over of city property , declaring not to be part of the US ( CHAZ ) , setting up borders with armed guards , by different political groups while segregating by color and encouraging white people to pay reparations to blacks ? 🤔 seem pretty spot on to me .
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I agree it was sensationalized some but everything is these days. Every storm we have is the worst ever. Words have completely lost meaning these days. Never, always, and other similarly definitive words are carelessly thrown around and this is yet another thing leading to the deterioration of society.
 
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Septic said:
This really gets to the root of it. Until black folks start rioting/marching/demanding change from their own community, the majority of people are going to shrug off their grousing about police on black violence. Their complaints are legitimate, but it's high time they look in the mirror.
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A majority of conservatives will, but not all moderates and certainly no liberals will. In fact, many on the left are quite quick to call you a racist if you wonder "But where are the protests over black-on-black crime, which happens in much greater volume?" They'd also say your second sentence sounds like victim blaming, or shifting the burden to do something about it from the oppressor (white people) to the oppressed (black people).

BTW, not disagreeing with you. Just saying that this is what "they" would say.
 
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05_never_again said:
A majority of conservatives will, but not all moderates and certainly no liberals will. In fact, many on the left are quite quick to call you a racist if you wonder "But where are the protests over black-on-black crime, which happens in much greater volume?" They'd also say your second sentence sounds like victim blaming, or shifting the burden to do something about it from the oppressor (white people) to the oppressed (black people).

BTW, not disagreeing with you. Just saying that this is what "they" would say.
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And they may have a point, but I think it's disingenuous to pretend that the police on black violence is even remotely close to being the same in terms of volume. Black folks kill a whole lot of black folks and their community is largely shrugging it off - if black lives matter, then ALL black lives should matter. I'm simply positing that if they want the movement to be credible, they should be consistent.
 
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37L1 said:
Interpretation of "lutherese":

Knew it wouldn't turn out well so I decided not to know.

Regards,

Mr. Willfully Ignorant.
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Or............

Was suspicious it was primarily right wing hype.
Turns out I was correct.

Regards,

Luther
 
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luthervol said:
Or............

Was suspicious it was primarily right wing hype.
Turns out I was correct.

Regards,

Luther
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How do you know? You admitted that you remained Willfully Ignorant of the details and then came up with a proposition that fits your retarded internal narrative.

Turns out you were wrong and still are.

Regards,

Reality
 
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Septic said:
And they may have a point, but I think it's disingenuous to pretend that the police on black violence is even remotely close to being the same in terms of volume. Black folks kill a whole lot of black folks and their community is largely shrugging it off - if black lives matter, then ALL black lives should matter. I'm simply positing that if they want the movement to be credible, they should be consistent.
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Agreed, although I don't think any of them would actually claim that black-on-black violence is less in volume - they simply just don't bring it up because it doesn't fit the narrative they currently are advocating for. If it is brought up, it's typically by a (white) conservative, and they immediately get called a racist or trying to deflect from the concern of the moment.

And I do kind of get why black people might bristle when the black-on-black crime stats are brought up, because oftentimes it comes from a place of "Why don't y'all (meaning black people collectively) do something about it," as though all black people as a group have something to do with causing it and could stop it if they wanted to. It's not at all dissimilar from BLM activists encouraging white people to "take responsibility" for racist acts committed by other white people, or by police, as though white people as a group had something to do with a black person getting killed by police and could stop it if they wanted to. You saw this kind of thing in some of the demonstrations/protests recently; in one of them white people (including some white cops) washed the feet of black people participating in the protest, as though they were atoning for their sins in some kind of religious experience. Even if it comes from a good place, stuff like that just reeks of hysteria to me, not anything that advances the ball down the field.

Overall, I'm just wary of any movement that tends to see people as collectives/groups based on certain characteristics, as opposed to individuals. Both the far left and far right do this, and the biggest participants in the current debate du jour do this.
 
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Septic said:
And they may have a point, but I think it's disingenuous to pretend that the police on black violence is even remotely close to being the same in terms of volume. Black folks kill a whole lot of black folks and their community is largely shrugging it off - if black lives matter, then ALL black lives should matter. I'm simply positing that if they want the movement to be credible, they should be consistent.
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To me it seems like it would be part of the same conversation.

Seems like a lot of the issues driving the violence are similar regardless of the source of specific violence. And that there may be more bang for the buck in seeing some general changes vs just cop specific.
 
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