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Trump on Chinese Base in Cuba: ‘I’d give them 48 hours to get out’

Former President Trump said he would give China a 48-hour window to abandon its spy base in Cuba, threatening severe tariffs on Chinese goods.

“I’d give them 48 hours to get out. And if they didn’t get out, I’d charge them a 100 percent tariff on everything they sell to the United States, and they’d be gone within two days. They’d be gone within one hour,” Trump said in a Reuters interview Thursday.

https://thehill.com/policy/national...ase-in-cuba-id-give-them-48-hours-to-get-out/
 
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Trump on Chinese Base in Cuba: ‘I’d give them 48 hours to get out’

Former President Trump said he would give China a 48-hour window to abandon its spy base in Cuba, threatening severe tariffs on Chinese goods.

“I’d give them 48 hours to get out. And if they didn’t get out, I’d charge them a 100 percent tariff on everything they sell to the United States, and they’d be gone within two days. They’d be gone within one hour,” Trump said in a Reuters interview Thursday.

https://thehill.com/policy/national...ase-in-cuba-id-give-them-48-hours-to-get-out/
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More stupid tariff talk.

You threaten Cuba here, not China.
 
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This is how the conversation started-

85SugarVol said:
Is the Biden administration downplaying China's plans for an eavesdropping post in Cuba?

This is absolutely about China. But this is also about… Cuba.

Why would the United States sit idly by while Cuba let anyone build one of these on our doorstep?

Why is the US not putting the screws to Cuba? This is our backyard. China has no power here.

I understand Cuba is a sovereign nation. But allowing a hostile nation to set up shop 90 miles from Florida is an open act of aggression - by CUBA. Eff them and their sovereign status. They can go cry to the UN.
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85SugarVol said:
Within international law? Eff Cuba. Let them go cry to the UN.

I had this conversation with McDad.
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So what kind of pain? If we bomb it kills civilians and makes their government more popular.
Cuba's a puppet. We need to deal with the master. Discourage them from using Nicaragua, Cuba, etc. as proxies.
 
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EasternVol said:
So what kind of pain? If we bomb it kills civilians and makes their government more popular.
Cuba's a puppet. We need to deal with the master. Discourage them from using Nicaragua, Cuba, etc. as proxies.
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This is how the exchange with McDad concluded -

85SugarVol said:
We can do something about Cuba throwing open it’s doors to China. In a way that China cannot do about Taiwan or Japan - not at this point.

I’m not saying it’s “right”, or “fair”, or even.

China simply cannot operate over here like we operate over there. Not yet anyway. They certainly would like to.
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McDad said:
What would you have America do to Cuba to prevent an agreement between it and China?
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85SugarVol said:
I don’t know. I’m willing to hear proposals.

Can they be bribed?
Can they be squeezed?
Wanna go Teddy Roosevelt?

I’m not saying we should bomb Havana.
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EasternVol said:
I don't think it's high on their priority list. But if they get stronger and decide they want it they may eventually go for it. They'd grab the area around Vladivostok before then.
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It would seem nuts to try to be an Artic power and have to sail from somewhere south of Korea to get there, so grabbing the area around Vladivostok would be the smart move. Based on history, Russia is hardly in a position to call foul ... of course, they would anyway, and China is not really any better when it comes to claiming countries not their own.
 
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EasternVol said:
So what kind of pain? If we bomb it kills civilians and makes their government more popular.
Cuba's a puppet. We need to deal with the master. Discourage them from using Nicaragua, Cuba, etc. as proxies.
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85SugarVol said:
This is how the exchange with McDad concluded -
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We had a bit of an opening to work with Cuba, and then the thing of "sonic energy" aimed at the newly reopened embassy came up. Considering the trouble it stirred up and the Chinese being the beneficiaries, I'd tend to believe the Chinese were behind that.
 
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AM64 said:
We had a bit of an opening to work with Cuba, and then the thing of "sonic energy" aimed at the newly reopened embassy came up. Considering the trouble it stirred up and the Chinese being the beneficiaries, I'd tend to believe the Chinese were behind that.
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Possibly.

We can try to “work with” Cuba. If they refuse and allow activity on their island that threatens US security - we should step on their neck.
 
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EasternVol said:
I don't think it's high on their priority list. But if they get stronger and decide they want it they may eventually go for it. They'd grab the area around Vladivostok before then.
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I stumbled across an interesting discussion on YouTube today. I have no idea how realistic the whole thing is, but it first deals with the thought of China invading Taiwan and then goes into reasons why not. At 18 minutes in, the discussion goes to Vladivostok and the surrounding area with a bit of the treaty history and how China might decide they want the space more than Russia. I think the guy behind this analysis is convinced that the Chinese are more likely to invade the area around Vladivostok than Taiwan. Not sure I buy the whole thesis, but there are some interesting points in the presentation.

 
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AM64 said:
It would seem nuts to try to be an Artic power and have to sail from somewhere south of Korea to get there, so grabbing the area around Vladivostok would be the smart move. Based on history, Russia is hardly in a position to call foul ... of course, they would anyway, and China is not really any better when it comes to claiming countries not their own.
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China takes a russian port? Ras's head would explode. Big question is who he would want the US to back.
 
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AM64 said:
It would seem nuts to try to be an Artic power and have to sail from somewhere south of Korea to get there, so grabbing the area around Vladivostok would be the smart move. Based on history, Russia is hardly in a position to call foul ... of course, they would anyway, and China is not really any better when it comes to claiming countries not their own.
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Isn’t it over 2000 miles from Vladivostok to the Arctic Circle?

Seizing that city wouldn’t make them an Arctic Nation. Not even close. Would take a massive land grab to close the gap.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Isn’t it over 2000 miles from Vladivostok to the Arctic Circle?

Seizing that city wouldn’t make them an Arctic Nation. Not even close. Would take a massive land grab to close the gap.
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I think having a border near the arctic is less important than having the ability to place a significant presence in the arctic. A port further to the north would help that.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
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I think having a border near the arctic is less important than having the ability to place a significant presence in the arctic.
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Yea I get that. But they can already place a significant presence in the Arctic, from their current bases. Hell, they’re in the Antarctic.

I think being able to claim Arctic Nation status likely means a great deal to them.

Maybe they’ll just redraw the line that marks the Arctic Circle. That might be easier.
 
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85SugarVol said:
More stupid tariff talk.

You threaten Cuba here, not China.
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Tariffs are absolutely the right idea. And I would look Tim Cook right in the eye and tell him that they are aimed straight at him and any other multi billion American corporation that does the majority of their manufacturing in CHINA. It isn't China that is the problem here. It is American companies doing business IN China. Make it painful enough for them to leave and China will back off. Guaranteed.

How many people will pay $2K for an iPhone?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Tariffs are absolutely the right idea. And I would look Tim Cook right in the eye and tell him that they are aimed straight at him and any other multi billion American corporation that does the majority of their manufacturing in CHINA. It isn't China that is the problem here. It is American companies doing business IN China. Make it painful enough for them to leave and China will back off. Guaranteed.

How many people will pay $2K for an iPhone?
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Not to defend the Chinese, but if they aren't making our iPhone, who will? American workers aren't going to make an iPhone that is less than $2000?

Edit: and are you sure Americans wouldn't pay $2000 for an iphone?
 
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