Charting every pass from South Carolina game

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PulaskiVolFan said:
Because yours doesn't look anything like the one they just put out.
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Oh lord PulaskiVol, are you trying to compare Players "on the same team" with QB ratings across the league? My post is correct, I would not try to steer you wrong.
 
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MocVol said:
I like and appreciate what you did here. What I would like to see though is how many of those completions were on short throws (like ones to backs behind the line) or on those little passes (more like handoffs, but forward) to the WR that runs right in front of him. I think those passes increase his completion stats and are throws that grandma could have made.
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Disagree with the importance of the completions, I don’t really care where they went. Most have stated that he made good decisions and threw it to the right place.
Very nice breakdown by OP of the drive killing 3rd down incompletions.
If he’d made 60% of them, the game wouldn’t of been close and everyone would be talking about how well he played.
 
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Tnman1 said:
Link? or no?
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Yours doesn't match up to the real thing for some reason.

VOL Outlaw said:
< 50 = Backup
50-59 = Below average starter
60-69 = Average starter
70-79 = Above average starter
80-89 = Very good
90-99 = Elite

OFFENSIVE GRADES

1 — Brandon Johnson — 79.6
2 — Velus Jones — 78.9
3 — Josh Palmer — 78.4
4 — Trey Smith — 75.2
5 — Brandon Kennedy — 73.4
6 — Ty Chandler — 73.9
7 — Jarrett Guarantano — 70.8
8 — Wanya Morris — 67.5
9 — Jerome Carvin — 64.2
10 — Darnell Wright — 62.6
11 — Eric Gray — 62.6
12 — Javontez Spraggins — 61.4
13 — Princeton Fant — 60.5
14 — Riley Locklear — 60.3
15 — Latrell Bumphus — 60.0
16 — Jahmir Johnson — 56.2
17 — Cooper Mays — 55.5
18 — Cedric Tillman — 54.2
19 — Jalin Hyatt — 53.3
20 — Ramel Keyton — 52.7
21 — Jacob Warren — 49.4

DEFENSIVE GRADES

1 — Deandre Johnson — 73.7
2 — Greg Emerson — 72.1
3 — Henry To’o To’o — 72.0
4 — Kivon Bennett — 71.2
5 — Alontae Taylor — 70.4
6 — Omari Thomas — 68.7
7 — Theo Jackson — 65.8
8 — Latrell Bumphus — 63.7
9 — Aubrey Solomon — 63.2
10 — Jaylen McCollough — 62.8
11 — Bryce Thompson — 62.6
12 — Trevon Flowers — 62.3
13 — Warren Burrell — 61.3
14 — Matthew Butler — 60.9
15 — John Mincey — 60.0
16 — Doneiko Slaughter — 59.6
17 — Kenneth George Jr. — 59.1
18 — Elijah Simmons — 59.1
19 — Quavaris Crouch — 59.0
20 — Kurot Garland — 58.0
21 — Ja’Quain Blakely — 57.1
22 — Roman Harrison — 52.5
23 — Tyler Barron — 51.7
24 — Jeremy Banks — 47.7
25 — Morven Joseph — 41.4
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You might want to read that whole thread before commenting about its validation.
 
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BruinVol said:
Good post

I’d argue there is no such thing as “too hard” when fitting the ball into a tight window like that throw was. The WR just had to catch it. If the throw is softer it brings a pick into play.
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There absolutely is too hard when you're throwing <10 yards. No one can catch that pass unless you're putting right into his stomach so his body can cradle the catch. What you're risking more in this situation is a tipped ball off the WR hands that ends in a pick.
 
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FBtime said:
Just thought it would be interesting to go back and watch the game and chart the throws to see how JG ended up with decent to good stats but we were only 1 of 12 on 3rd downs. (* = would have converted 3rd down)

1. completion
2. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
3. completion
4. completion
5. completion
6. completion
7. completion
8. incomplete (Keyton looks over wrong shoulder?)
9. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
10. complete
11. complete
12. incomplete (open, behind)*
13. completion
14. incomplete (coverage)
15. incomplete (open, behind)
16. complete
17. complete
18. complete
19. complete
20. complete
21. complete
22. incomplete (coverage)
23. incomplete (open, too hard)*
24. incomplete (coverage)
25. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
26. complete
27. complete (TD)
28 complete
29. incomplete (drop)
30. incomplete (open, overthrow)*
31. complete

So based on the bad throws and how open the WR was, JG missed six 3rd down conversions to open WRs so that 1 of 12 could have easily been 6/7 of 12. Almost all of his bad throws were on 3rd down and that was a huge difference in this game. The game is not close if hit those 3rd down passes.
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Appears there's more pressure involved when it comes to 3rd down. JG threw pretty well on passes on 1st and 2nd down so I feel as if he just can't respond to pressure situations in a positive way. I hope Chaney and CJP are ready to make adjustment soon.
 
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BruinVol said:
Just watching all the 3rd downs again I was floored at how many 3rd and 2-3 yard plays we had and only tried one dang run on those distances.
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The reality is likely that a run play is sent in as primary call, especially with 2 yds. to gain. Muschump, a defensive-minded HC, has his LBers tighten up and in the gaps to stuff any running attempt. JG simply audibles into pass play as he's instructed to do in those situations. Get used to it because every DC in the SEC is going to notice those stats and do the same dang thing. Best play would be a screen pass or have a roll-out type of qb get outside with a chance to run if possible. UT will correct this.
 
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Sarms58 said:
I like the no INTs (and there were no close calls either) and that only 3 incompletions were viewed as being due to coverage. Clearly he’s making better choices and we have talent at the receive position.

We rushed for 10 net yards in the first half but for 123 in the second. We’re going to need to average about 100/half rushing if we want JG to be able have easier throws. Also, when JG ran it was like the first time I’ve ever seen him look like he was a dual threat QB...

I’m more optimistic now than I was right after the game Saturday night. We have a shot at a winning season but can’t lose any of our winnable games...
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Wishful thinking but not gonna happen, imo. Every opponent we face are gonna have their LBers up tight to LOS to prevent our run game. In a lot of cases they're gonna give that look pre-snap hoping that JG will check into a pass. The man reason for that is because they,(opponents), feel JG can't beat them with the pass and they're simply hedging the odds. It's not gonna stop until JG improves his accuracy downfield. At least there's a chance that both CJC and CJP are thinking this same way and making it priority because 1/12 on 3rd down conversions is a glaring stat.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Wishful thinking but not gonna happen, imo. Every opponent we face are gonna have their LBers up tight to LOS to prevent our run game. In a lot of cases they're gonna give that look pre-snap hoping that JG will check into a pass. The man reason for that is because they,(opponents), feel JG can't beat them with the pass and they're simply hedging the odds. It's not gonna stop until JG improves his accuracy downfield. At least there's a chance that both CJC and CJP are thinking this same way and making it priority because 1/12 on 3rd down conversions is a glaring stat.
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Missouri, more than maybe other teams, saw first hand that JG can beat them. We were very good last year (and 9-16 vs Missouri) on 3rd down so hopefully with a win under his belt and playing at home he will have more chill on 3rd down Saturday.
 
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Tnman1 said:
False!!!!, I want him to be good, along with everybody else, his numbers are just terrible. He has been bad since BJ days. He would be loved otherwise, social media has nothing to do with it.
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Speaking of numbers.......the #1 stat is wins/losses. Pretty sure I read earlier this season that when comparing QB's starts and their W/L record that JG has the all time losing record in Vol history. I googled it and couldn't verify it but sounds plausible. Can anyone elaborate?
 
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JG has never been a very accurate passer. Even when he completes balls, he often costs the receiver YAC because they have to adjust to make the catch. That said, I did feel like he was more decisive (in a good way) than in past years.

Every football game has a life of its own. I have no idea what to expect week to week. That said, I do expect JG to start every game this year barring injury.
 
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FBtime said:
Missouri, more than maybe other teams, saw first hand that JG can beat them. We were very good last year (and 9-16 vs Missouri) on 3rd down so hopefully with a win under his belt and playing at home he will have more chill on 3rd down Saturday.
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my wishful thinking is that we would line up in the I and run...give me Greg Amsler or William Howard leading the way for Chandler and Gray
 
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tbones0711 said:
Wishful thinking but not gonna happen, imo. Every opponent we face are gonna have their LBers up tight to LOS to prevent our run game. In a lot of cases they're gonna give that look pre-snap hoping that JG will check into a pass. The man reason for that is because they,(opponents), feel JG can't beat them with the pass and they're simply hedging the odds. It's not gonna stop until JG improves his accuracy downfield. At least there's a chance that both CJC and CJP are thinking this same way and making it priority because 1/12 on 3rd down conversions is a glaring stat.
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All I've heard from the neverJG crowd is how other teams are going to stack the line and make JG beat them, and you guys say they do it every game. My question is, if that's all you have to do to beat TN then why hasn't it worked the last 7 games? You make it sound easy, looks like it would work no matter who tried it.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
All I've heard from the neverJG crowd is how other teams are going to stack the line and make JG beat them, and you guys say they do it every game. My question is, if that's all you have to do to beat TN then why hasn't it worked the last 7 games? You make it sound easy, looks like it would work no matter who tried it.
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It's just a bad argument. If you go back and watch the game, you won't see LBs and Safties near the LOS. You'll see us in 10 and 11 personnel spreading everybody out and the defense respecting it because they have to.
 
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GAVol said:
It's just a bad argument. If you go back and watch the game, you won't see LBs and Safeties near the LOS. You'll see us in 10 and 11 personnel spreading everybody out and the defense respecting it because they have to.
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Chaney tends to take what you give him. They did put eight tight some in the first half, and (I assume) JG checked to a pass. They ran the ball much better in the second half with SC spread out.

Tennessee threw it 31 times (not counting the botched punt "pass") and ran it 30. But, 4-5 of those rush attempts would be the two sacks and the kneel downs to end the game. That seems fairly balanced to me. In any case, you aren't going to win many games unless you can make the defense honor both pass and run, and I believe that, while hard to watch at times, JG played well enough to do that.

At least my frustration was with execution. Maybe he was a little late with the throw a few times, but I do think he threw to the right receiver the vast majority of the time. In my view, he is improved from last year in that respect. But, one game is just that, one game. We'll see. I think we will see much better along with some worse from him as the season plays out. It's the nature of the game.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Chaney tends to take what you give him. They did put eight tight some in the first half, and (I assume) JG checked to a pass. They ran the ball much better in the second half with SC spread out.

Tennessee threw it 31 times (not counting the botched punt "pass") and ran it 30. But, 4-5 of those rush attempts would be the two sacks and the kneel downs to end the game. That seems fairly balanced to me. In any case, you aren't going to win many games unless you can make the defense honor both pass and run, and I believe that, while hard to watch at times, JG played well enough to do that.

At least my frustration was with execution. Maybe he was a little late with the throw a few times, but I do think he threw to the right receiver the vast majority of the time. In my view, he is improved from last year in that respect. But, one game is just that, one game. We'll see. I think we will see much better along with some worse from him as the season plays out. It's the nature of the game.
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Sounds like he did exactly as you say.

 
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#198
At the end of the day, great players make plays when you really need it. For a QB, that time is 3rd down. We can’t miss that much on big downs.
 
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