Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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Smokey123 said:
Questioning if someone is less qualified based off race and using a (false) reason is implying that though
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Here is a hypothetical...If a well known manufacturer of oil filters said they were going to increase production of their product by 50% yet were not going to hire more staff to carry out this increase in production....would you question if they were going to cut quality to make this happen?
 
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LouderVol said:
prejudice is based on the underlying logic of something different and unknown is not to be trusted. its literally a survival mechanism. its as logical and reasonable as it gets.

its the same reason that many women says they would rather come across a random bear in the woods, rather than a random man.

there a lot of survival "tools" that have been forgotten the "why" of after we have assigned more civilized explanations to them.
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I don’t think being prejudice is inherently bad. I think every person has a little bit in them, but it doesn’t change the fact that prejudice is in fact a form of racism. I’ll agree I think the label gets thrown around far too much but I also think people get way too defensive over it
 
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jp1 said:
Again, I dont think Charlie was saying that it was true at all. He was saying that DEI type decisions like this make people have those questions.
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When you have "questions" about a Black pilot but trust a white pilot, or have "questions" about a Black doctor but trust a white doctor, we have a word for that
 
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NashVol11 said:
When you have "questions" about a Black pilot but trust a white pilot, or have "questions" about a Black doctor but trust a white doctor, we have a word for that
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Especially when he starts blaming "DEI fire chiefs" for random things like the little girls dying at Camp Mystic. Every tragedy is the nearest minority's fault
 
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Smokey123 said:
So if someone says “DEI is lowering the standards for black pilots” (wrong) and now I start questioning if black pilots are less skilled than their white counterpart is that not being prejudice?
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In that context, I would agree. Thats not what he said, and certainly not what he implied. He was saying that DEI makes you hire based on sex/race (which may/may not introduce a lowered standard) versus taking the best regardless of sex/race. Essentially taking away the prejudice in this situation.
 
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jp1 said:
Because thats exactly what he said and meant. You are impossible to have a legit discussion with.
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He said "if I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" He has that "question" about Black professionals and not white professionals, which is exactly what I said.

If he saw a Black pilot and a white pilot standing together he would trust them at different levels because one is Black, which is textbook racism
 
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Smokey123 said:
It can come into question but that doesn’t make it a true statement. In fact standards were much lower when black people were barred from being pilots
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You could have debated him. He welcomed debates with anyone. He debated liberals such as Maher and Cenk as an example. You don’t have to agree with his opinion.
 
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NashVol11 said:
He said "if I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" He has that "question" about Black professionals and not white professionals, which is exactly what I said.

If he saw a Black pilot and a white pilot standing together he would trust them at different levels because one is Black, which is textbook racism
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Again, he didn't say that he would trust them at different levels. Im actually surprised you didn't put quotations around that.

Answer a question for me if you dont mind. Do you want the best pilot for the plane you are flying on, regardless of their race?
 
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jp1 said:
Again, he didn't say that he would trust them at different levels. Im actually surprised you didn't put quotations around that.
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Brother if he has questions about Black pilots but doesn't have those same questions about white pilots then he is questioning them at different levels. What kind of weird semantic s*** are we doing here
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Answer a question for me if you dont mind. Do you want the best pilot for the plane you are flying on, regardless of their race?
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Yes, which has nothing to do with this discussion
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
May please ask if you could post the full quote or video.

I’ve tried different ways of searching and I’m not finding that.
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@volbeast33 included as well since he asked for clip





At 37:30 of Rumble Video (clip 93), they play partial clip of how 50% of pilot class is women or non white. Kirk and Crew represents they are referring to every (all 20K) pilot for United. However, the CEO is only referring to United Avaite Academy which is 450-500 people annually. See Axios clip showing how CEO is talking only about the Academy. Kirk and crew then extrapolate this United program to every non white male pilot in America...

I posted earlier how this initiative is United putting a nice virtue signal bow on their normal hiring. They hire 2,000 pilots on average per year and 19% are non white male or 350-400. This program will gradute 225-250 non white males per year. This isn't as much DEI as it is for United to virtue signal their normal practices. I would bet 95% of the reason for the Academy is its cheaper to train and hire than poach when there is a shortage....

Just my .02.

I find United and Kirk to be very disingenuous here
 
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Smokey123 said:
That’s not what they said. Again, can you show where they dropped qualifications down for only black pilots like you implied?
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Again, it was solely about DEI. If they said they were going to hire all white people the same would apply. He's said on multiple occasions that if you have quotas then you were looking at race as the determining factor it was wrong, just like it would be wrong if you hired 100% white pilots.

This whole debate about pilots started wihen United said they were going to make their pilots 50% women and minorities. That is DEI and 100% what he was talking about.

I've watched 100s of his videos, long before he was assassinated and he's not a racist person. He constantly said they each and every person was one of God's creations, whether that be black, brown, white, gay,.lesbian, straight, trans or whatever. He literally said I love them all.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Brother if he has questions about Black pilots but doesn't have those same questions about white pilots then he is questioning them at different levels. What kind of weird semantic s*** are we doing here

Yes, which has nothing to do with this discussion
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It has everything to do with the discussion. He said that race should be removed from the whole thing. Looks like you and Charlie have something in common.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Here is the problem. United never said that. They said that their training class would be 50/50. The training class would be 450-500 people per year at a company that wants to have at least 25K pilots by end of the decade..

The issue is Kirk intentionally misrepresented what the CEO said, failed to understand that the reason the math didnt make sense was because they misrepresented what the CEO said, and then extrapolated this program to every other non-white male pilot out there at every carrier....
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Charlie produced documents showing that they wanted their pilots to be 50% women and minorities. They've since backed off that.
 
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jp1 said:
It has everything to do with the discussion. He said that race should be removed from the whole thing. Looks like you and Charlie have something in common.
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One thing we most certainly do not have in common is making racist comments about how we wouldn't trust the qualifications of Black pilots, and by extension other Black professionals
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Again, it was solely about DEI. If they said they were going to hire all white people the same would apply. He's said on multiple occasions that if you have quotas then you were looking at race as the determining factor it was wrong, just like it would be wrong if you hired 100% white pilots.

This whole debate about pilots started wihen United said they were going to make their pilots 50% women and minorities. That is DEI and 100% what he was talking about.

I've watched 100s of his videos, long before he was assassinated and he's not a racist person. He constantly said they each and every person was one of God's creations, whether that be black, brown, white, gay,.lesbian, straight, trans or whatever. He literally said I love them all.
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Can you provide one example of united turning away a qualified white man for a black man that met half his quotas? Thats exactly what Charlie said
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Charlie produced documents showing that they wanted their pilots to be 50% women and minorities. They've since backed off that.
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They wanted 50% of their Avaite Academy hires to be women/minorities. Not the entire pilot roster.

You are comparing 450-500 annual Aviate Academy trainees to the entire 20K pilot roster...
 
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jp1 said:
In that context, I would agree. Thats not what he said, and certainly not what he implied. He was saying that DEI makes you hire based on sex/race (which may/may not introduce a lowered standard) versus taking the best regardless of sex/race. Essentially taking away the prejudice in this situation.
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he said the United CEO is forcing white qualified men to not get the job and it’s making him question if the black pilot failed half his flight simulator trials. That’s not rooted in truth, at minimum we should be able to agree he entirely misrepresented what is happening.

He went on to say DEI is forcing a bad way of thinking and he doesn’t want to think that way. It seems to me he is implying DEI is causing a prejudice view point, do you disagree with that?
 
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jp1 said:
Here is a hypothetical...If a well known manufacturer of oil filters said they were going to increase production of their product by 50% yet were not going to hire more staff to carry out this increase in production....would you question if they were going to cut quality to make this happen?
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If they kept the same standards I wouldn’t automatically assume I’d get worse products
 
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Smokey123 said:
he said the United CEO is forcing white qualified men to not get the job and it’s making him question if the black pilot failed half his flight simulator trials. That’s not rooted in truth, at minimum we should be able to agree he entirely misrepresented what is happening.

He went on to say DEI is forcing a bad way of thinking and he doesn’t want to think that way. It seems to me he is implying DEI is causing a prejudice view point, do you disagree with that?
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I do agree that they misrepresented the number of pilots United was referring to as Mojo's clip shows. Whether that was intentional or not, I cannot say.

My take on what he was saying in regards to DEI, was race should not be used in the process.
 
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jp1 said:
I do agree that they misrepresented the number of pilots United was referring to as Mojo's clip shows. Whether that was intentional or not, I cannot say.

My take on what he was saying in regards to DEI, was race should not be used in the process.
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I agree the way DEI is qualified is not good

But currently race is used in the process and as Charlie said that’s causing people to think differently.
 
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