Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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InVOLuntary said:
If I host a track and field event and I say for the white athletes we are going to make the hurdles 6" lower and a white athlete wins and I question whether the white athlete was truly the best, that doesn’t mean I think the white athlete is inferior. It means I don't know if the white athlete is truly the best. It's an indictment on lowering the bar for the white athlete. Could the white athlete be the best? Sure. Does it mean I think all white athletes are not capable? Absolutely not. It was never about the race of the person, it's about the test.
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What qualifications did they lower for only black pilots? You also didn’t answer any of my questions

I’m not arguing for DEI.
 
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BeardedVol said:
No need to continue to fret over her and continue donating to her. In typical conservative christian fashion, she didn't live by the nonsense that she and her late husband spouted about where women "belonged".

No, in a stunning act of self-serving hypocrisy, she prioritized education and her career in her 20s, and waited until she was 33 to get married and start having kids, unlike what she espouses other women should do.

With the money in Charlie's estate from his successful grifting business, she's going to be fine.
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Yes she does
 
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Smokey123 said:
But again. My question remains that never got answered. is looking at a black person and assuming they’re not qualified judging based off their skill or appearance? You can use this for any race. If I look at a white man and assume he’s not good at basketball, it’s me judging based off race and not skill. Denying this is dishonest
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CK even used that as an example. If the NBA decided to get to 50% white then I would assume the white player was there bc of a quota and not bc of ther skill.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
McDad is Kemosabe?
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I recall old Lone Ranger B&W episodes playing either on Sat or Sun morning. I really enjoyed watching those. In fact, there was a slew of those old shows that still played in the mid to late 70s...Rifleman, 3 stooges, Little Rascals, Laurel and Hardy, probably others i've forgotten.
 
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Smokey123 said:
What qualifications did they lower for only black pilots? You also didn’t answer any of my questions

I’m not arguing for DEI.
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Charlie's whole point was against DEI. It was in response to United Airlines saying that they were going to change their pilot makeup yo 50% black and women. That is DEI. They've since backed off that. When you do that you are hiring based on skin color, not merit.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That's 100% BS. His comments were 100% about DEI. You haven't watched his videos. You are wrong.
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Clearly you don’t watch him much. He literally said (on multiple occasions) that comment did not reflect what he believes as a person and DEI causes you took look through a racial lense. But ya clearly his comment had nothing to do with race
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Charlie's whole point was against DEI. It was in response to United Airlines saying that they were going to change their pilot makeup yo 50% black and women. That is DEI. They've since backed off that. When you do that you are hiring based on skin color, not merit.
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That’s not what they said. Again, can you show where they dropped qualifications down for only black pilots like you implied?
 
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volbeast33 said:
CK even used that as an example. If the NBA decided to get to 50% white then I would assume the white player was there bc of a quota and not bc of ther skill.
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Not in his original comment, that came on a college debate the original conversation was on his show.

I’m not arguing for DEI but that’s not even what united said nor did they drop standards for only black ppl like some have implied
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes, I agree Charlie was taking about race.

I would consider that more of a stereotypical comment. They are based in truth but there is always the exception that prices the rule
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Ya I could see that
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Anyway, thanks for the civil debate y'all. I'm going to wind down, have the day off tomorrow. Going to finish off a couple of drinks and turn in.
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I enjoyed it. Everyone has different view points it’s important to discuss them openly
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Charlie's whole point was against DEI. It was in response to United Airlines saying that they were going to change their pilot makeup yo 50% black and women. That is DEI. They've since backed off that. When you do that you are hiring based on skin color, not merit.
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Here is the problem. United never said that. They said that their training class would be 50/50. The training class would be 450-500 people per year at a company that wants to have at least 25K pilots by end of the decade..

The issue is Kirk intentionally misrepresented what the CEO said, failed to understand that the reason the math didnt make sense was because they misrepresented what the CEO said, and then extrapolated this program to every other non-white male pilot out there at every carrier....
 
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Smokey123 said:
What qualifications did they lower for only black pilots? You also didn’t answer any of my questions

I’m not arguing for DEI.
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Im sure United did not say they were lowering the qualifications to their aviation school. I think it was said they planned on hiring ~5000 pilots over an 8-9 year span, with 50% of those being from people of color and women.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If you find yourself constantly searching for qualification, or “context” to explain somebody’s words, maybe you should consider that the content IS the context, and the words you’re trying to explain away should be take at face value. In short, CK said many bigoted things, and that IS the context.
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I see your point of view.

The question should be: why are we seeing partial quotes without full content to paint what someone has said as bad?
 
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Smokey123 said:
Clearly you don’t watch him much. He literally said (on multiple occasions) that comment did not reflect what he believes as a person and DEI causes you took look through a racial lense. But ya clearly his comment had nothing to do with race
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Yes… DEI made people believe someone was hired based off race instead of merit.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Not in his original comment, that came on a college debate the original conversation was on his show.

I’m not arguing for DEI but that’s not even what united said nor did they drop standards for only black ppl like some have implied
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Why does it matter when it was said? He clarified his feelings when questioned. It has been proven that when you have racial quotas then usually standards are lowered. Look at the lawsuit against Harvard as an example.

CK did a podcast/college tours. It is fine to disagree with him and maybe beat him in a debate. The racist, mysoginist being thrown around is ridiculous though.
 
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jp1 said:
Im sure United did not say they were lowering the qualifications to their aviation school. I think it was said they planned on hiring ~5000 pilots over an 8-9 year span, with 50% of those being from people of color and women.
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No, they said they want their training program to be 50%, not all pilots in the program pass and meet the standards. Some airlines even encourage children of former pilots to join. Encouraging more women and POC to pursue a career isn’t lowering qualifications
 
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