Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[C-south]

Using this definition of equitable......
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fair and just, especially in a way that takes account of and seeks to address existing inequalities.

What are the factors for determining “inequalities?”

 

[luthervol]

If i had only watched a few clips then cut him from my feeds maybe I would draw the same conclusion. But, out of curiosity, I kept watching and gained a larger picture of what was going on. My wife works in the school system. Watching the cmpus tour clips and seeing those poor college kids, so mis-informed and ill-preapred for the world opened my eyes to what she complains about every singe day. It's disheartening. I'm thankful for the mission he acccepted in the perspective of its totality.

I certainly understand that.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

He comes across as a complete turd. Maybe he's not and he's just playing to his audience. Sad either way. (maybe racist?)

Tell me you dont actually read or watch others posts, without actually saying so...

Huff and others pulled the "racist" BS days and hundreds of posts ago. They were repeatedly refuted by a half dozen different black people who actually knew him, were helped by him, or just took the time to actually look up what he said within context and easily refuted any claims of racism against Kirk. Bet theres at least 6 different X posts made by black folks who were upset at strangers calling him a racist just in this thread. I think there are more but some are duplicates. I have certainly watched that many. This is lazy and dangerous to slander him this way.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

yeah the picture, while poignant, doesn't tell the full picture. it also assumes there is some reason they should be sharing.

-where do the boxes come from. I don't think most people would mind to much if the "boxes" were already going to be there, and they were given out equitably.
-but what if one person brought them to share, then distributing them "equitably" is taking advantage of the good works of one person.
-or what if the person with the boxes planned for enough boxes for 3 people, but a fourth shows up, and none get what they want.
-what if the fence is much higher, and one person brought enough boxes so they could see. distributing becomes problematic.
-what if none of the people are actually any different, and two want to sit while the third is fine standing? is it really equitable to provide seats for some while requiring others to stand?

The picture is horse crap because despite the attempted illustration of equity, all 3 of them are attempting to watch a game they didn't pay to get into to watch. This isn't equity in practice, it's thievery!

 

[Orange_Crush]

pleas do.

Keep scrolling. No bother thanking me.

 

[C-south]

I think they are linked and I loved your picture explaining the difference.
I believe the best route to equality is through equity.

Up there with some of your more idiotic posts.

 

[luthervol]

But I hope you might agree that there would have to be a point where equity could be phased out for a return to equality?
I kind of see the two as at least somewhat incompatible.

All things being equal, there would be no need for equity.
All things will never be equal.
There does need to be a proper balance between the two.

But back to your picture. Isn't equality allowing all 3 to see the game.

 

[luthervol]

Tell me you dont actually read or watch others posts, without actually saying so...

Huff and others pulled the "racist" BS days and hundreds of posts ago. They were repeatedly refuted by a half dozen different black people who actually knew him, were helped by him, or just took the time to actually look up what he said within context and easily refuted any claims of racism against Kirk. Bet theres at least 6 different X posts made by black folks who were upset at strangers calling him a racist just in this thread. I think there are more but some are duplicates. I have certainly watched that many. This is lazy and dangerous to slander him this way.

6 x posts? Well then that settles it.

My point is and always has been.......based on the clips circulating where he looks his worst....it's not hard to understand why someone would conclude that he might be racists.

You guys do it constantly to people on the left who you know nothing about...simply based on a couple of rightwing X posts.

 

[luthervol]

Up there with some of your more idiotic posts.

You do know how much a value your opinion.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

All things being equal, there would be no need for equity.
All things will never be equal.
There does need to be a proper balance between the two.

But back to your picture. Isn't equality allowing all 3 to see the game.

You are not guaranteed equality in life. All this country guarantees is your right to the PURSUIT of happiness, but you are not guaranteed happiness or that everything will be made "fair" amongst every individual. That is nonsensical utopian fantasy. There will always be some born on 3rd base. Deal with it. I do. I wasn't born on 3rd base compared to a lot of people either. But I don't whine about it. Anytime my kids asks me about "privilege" or how rich/poor we are, I simply answer them with "we have more than some, not as much as others." That's the most balanced, factual answer I know to give them. But I'll be DAMNED if I raise them with a victimhood mentality, thinking somehow that societal injustice is the cause of their problems.

 

[luthervol]

Well, that's your problem. You judged a man on a few clips but never bothered to really understand who he is or what his beliefs were. Though I suspect with you it wouldn't matter because based on your posts in here, you seem to have a pretty warped world view, seeped in victimhood and resent.

Good grief man. I hope you're joking.

I bet there are 100 X posts in this thread of someone saying something negative, ugly, and/or reprehensible about Charlie.
...and every single one of you are quick to negatively judge that person (whom you do not know) based on that one clip, that one quote, that one X posts.

 

[C-south]

All things being equal, there would be no need for equity.
All things will never be equal.
There does need to be a proper balance between the two.

But back to your picture. Isn't equality allowing all 3 to see the game.

How racist/discriminatory do you have to be to tell people they can’t do anything worth doing on their own? I’m sure you know a lot about that from your own experience…maybe slightly different scenario.

 

[GVF]

What was absolutely striking was his follow-up squirm-post trying to claim that posting about things that you lack familiarity with is somehow less of a lazy form of thinking than posting about things that one is deeply familiar with. I mean one would have problem making this kind of thing up.

Well, on the record I would never propose CK as a one all end all persona. He's not God, he's not Christ. No human gets to have that elevation. But after seeing him for the first time, I kept watching. Partly in awe that any human can recall so much fact and detail from anything he has ever read (which is 100 books a year by his account). He knew details from anything any student ever tried to hook him with better than they did with it pulled up on their phone. Then it became apparent he was genuine in his quest and was no Falwell or Robertson type. I even took the time to read about the evangelical branch he was associated with. I've never seen another evangelical branch put in print they practice believer baptism. Could be others.

Let me digress and frame it this way. I'm CoC. Dad was an elder for many years. Dad possessed a gift to really see what scripture taught, not just what old school CoC said was taught. We had a very popular minister when I was young in the churches, from around Nashville I think, that made all the rounds, youth and adult functions. Rubel Shelley. Many accused him of being "liberal" in the CoC. We were at chruch camp, and he was invited to be a speaker and teach one of the adult class offerings one year. A lot of regular attendees didn't come that week and never came back. Dad spent alot of time in the rocking chairs at night just talking with him and talking God, pupose, and scripture. I asked about it later, being a teen that really liked him. Dad said, well we have some differences, but I find no fault with him. He formed his opinion after investing time with him. He would have never voiced an opinion had he not. He would have literally said I don't know, I didn't get a chance to visit with him.

That was a defining moment in my life about being a christian. Dad had a CK type mind. It was incredible. He was a scientist and a christian. His ability to to answer any question with, "well have you considred book X and Verse Y" without flinching. A lot of nights my dad would be closed off in the living room with people coming to talk with him seeking help and advice because of the way he shepharded others. I had great respect others saw him that way.

So, like my dad, my opinion of CK and God's purpose for him have spanned over 12 months of watching, listening, and reading up. In the absence of never meeting CK and getting to visit with him I atleast feel i adequately used what available to me. And I don't require that someone else holds the same. But, atleast be informed beyond one or two clips or edits. My interest was hey is this guy gonna be legit or will he stumble. His character assassination didn't gain steam until he wasn't around to refute it, cause I never saw it happening while he was breathing. But I'm only one person.

 

[luthervol]

You are not guaranteed equality in life. All this country guarantees is your right to the PURSUIT of happiness, but you are not guaranteed happiness or that everything will be made "fair" amongst every individual. That is nonsensical utopian fantasy. There will always be some born on 3rd base. Deal with it. I do. I wasn't born on 3rd base compared to a lot of people either. But I don't whine about it. Anytime my kids asks me about "privilege" or how rich/poor we are, I simply answer them with "we have more than some, not as much as others." That's the most balanced, factual answer I know to give them. But I'll be DAMNED if I raise them with a victimhood mentality, thinking somehow that societal injustice is the cause of their problems.

Of course you're not guaranteed equality. Life's not fair! Which is precisely why people should be.

 

[Gandalf]

So was CK more justified in calling George Floyd a scumbag than were those who called CK a scumbag.

George Floyd was a career criminal and a drug addict, who resisted arrest by police. Charlie Kirk was a successful speaker and family man who repeatedly braved threats against his life simply to show that we could engage in conversation rather than become violent and cancel each other. Neither deserved to die the way they did.

The fact that you even have these two people in the same sentence shows how completely dishonest and utterly bereft your moral compass is.

 

[C-south]

Of course you're not guaranteed equality. Life's not fair! Which is precisely why people should be.

Dumb

 

[GVF]

Good grief man. I hope you're joking.

I bet there are 100 X posts in this thread of someone saying something negative, ugly, and/or reprehensible about Charlie.
...and every single one of you are quick to negatively judge that person (whom you do not know) based on that one clip, that one quote, that one X posts.

That doesn't exhonorate you, but that is an accurate statement finally.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Of course you're not guaranteed equality. Life's not fair! Which is precisely why people should be.

Your definition of 'fair' is questionable, at best.

 

[Cod]

George Floyd was a career criminal and a drug addict, who resisted arrest by police. Charlie Kirk was a successful speaker and family man who repeatedly braved threats against his life simply to show that we could engage in conversation rather than become violent and cancel each other. Neither deserved to die the way they did.

The fact that you even have these two people in the same sentence shows how completely dishonest and utterly bereft your moral compass is.

Exactly, let's go further......

As Tyrus has said, how many riots have there been, how many people have been beaten because "he looked like the shooter", how many cops have been spit on kicked since CK's death.... none. (Well except our politicians bashing the FBI).

Yep CKs following sure is the violent hate group!

 

[Orange_Crush]

George Floyd was a career criminal and a drug addict, who resisted arrest by police. Charlie Kirk was a successful speaker and family man who repeatedly braved threats against his life simply to show that we could engage in conversation rather than become violent and cancel each other. Neither deserved to die the way they did.

The fact that you even have these two people in the same sentence shows how completely dishonest and utterly bereft your moral compass is.

Racist.

 

[Gandalf]

Racist.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I would just like to point out to the board that the definition of "fair" is the exact opposite of DEI/AA.

impartial and just, without favoritism or discrimination:

DEI/AA is a process that shows favoritism based on skin color, gender, etc... and discriminates against other skin color, gender, etc... in order to do so.

There was a time that the wonderful ideal was:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

 

[Orange_Crush]

Listen, poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.

 

[Wireless1]

The picture is horse crap because despite the attempted illustration of equity, all 3 of them are attempting to watch a game they didn't pay to get into to watch. This isn't equity in practice, it's thievery!

Or, in 6 years does the kid give his dad his box back?

 

[GVF]

The picture is horse crap because despite the attempted illustration of equity, all 3 of them are attempting to watch a game they didn't pay to get into to watch. This isn't equity in practice, it's thievery!

lol. Good catch. Well, atleast that part was equitable and relateable.