Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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OrangeTsar said:
I find it interesting that you used the term equitable instead of referring to equality. Equity means ensuring the same outcomes while equality means having the same opportunities.
America and even MLK sought “equality”. It is I think what most people aspire to.
And of course you are free to espouse equity over equality (although I will disagree with you). I just don’t ish to ascertain as to whether or not that was your meaning.
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I think it is racist the illustrator makes it a black family watching the game without paying admission.
 
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luthervol said:
And he followed it with..........................
After that comment, Kirk listed a series of accusations about Floyd's background, criminal history and cause of death — all with varying degrees of legitimacy. The Associated Press, reporting on the event, described that section of the speech as "an avalanche of aspersions and debunked claims about Floyd."

CK calls him a scumbag and then spews forth a bunch of bs to support his stance. (maybe racist?)
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yeah not really sure this counts as an "avalanche of aspersions and debunked claims". There are 9 arrests, they have 2 semantic arguments they try to make, and on gotcha that the lady he held a gun on wasn't pregnant. I don't think that should change anyone's opinion on Floyd. I wouldn't call it a "bunch of bs", at worst one part of it was bs.

"In brief, the alleged crimes and time periods are mostly accurate, with the caveat that Floyd was convicted of theft in 1998, not armed robbery. But the following information makes other aspects of the post misleading:(1) Not all the crimes resulted in prison time, but rather jail sentences; (2) no evidence suggests a woman involved in the 2007 charge was pregnant; (3)it's an exaggeration of toxicology results to claim Floyd "was high on meth" when he was choked by a cop, and there's no proof that Floyd was (4)"getting ready to drive a car" before his fatal encounter with police other than the fact that officers say they approached him as he sat in the (4)driver's seat of a vehicle."

(1) semantics. he did serve some prison time, and was actually sentenced, their "gotcha" here is that he was in prison for worse crimes so they let him out on the lesser crimes without serving specific time for those crimes.
(2) true, nothing says she was pregnant.
(3) again semantics, he did have meth and fentanyl in his body. enough amounts to make one high. they are claiming its bs that he was actually high because there is no way to actually test that on a dead person."methamphetamines found in Floyd's bloodstream (19 ng/mL or .019 mg/L) is "within the range" of some patients' "therapeutic or prescribed use" of the drug."
(4) I tagged 4 twice because unfortunately sitting in the drivers seat with the car turned off IS enough to get a DUI in TN. I know its a different state, but he had keys and was sitting in the drivers seat, thats enough to plausibly be intent to drive which is where they got those statements from the cops. its enough plausibility that it actually held up in court, so I don't see how Snopes can claim its false.

the rest of it is a fluff piece acting like his hard life or time playing sports in school made a difference in the crimes he committed.
 
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luthervol said:
Next to the golden trump idol would be perfect. Put them in Mara Largo and let it be a trumpers' Mecca.
Every Jan. 6th we could have pilgrimages of thousands kneeling at the shrine.
Get chill bumps just thinking about it.
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No buddy! Right next to the George Floyd Statues.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
LOL, he was a drug addicted, wife beater, thief. He held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly. And he caused his own death by overdosing on fentanyl. He was a scumbag that shouldn't have been celebrated. What a clown statement. It's amazing how you far left wing leftist will go to defend someone criminals.
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she wasn't pregnant. and he held a gun to her head.

not really sure how it helps Luther's argument, but that is the truth of it.
 
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SlipKidVol said:
so heres the full quote

Kirk made the statement in reference to Floyd's alleged criminal history and the circumstances surrounding his death. Kirk's exact words were: "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not."
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Here's the extended full quote. All should note his comments on the "white" officer before his comment on Floyd:

"The reason why our tour is called the CRT [Critical Racism Tour] Tour is because of George Floyd's death and the misinterpretation of that. And I'm not going to go on this endless soapbox defending Derek Chauvin, I think he's kind of not a great person. But I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not."
 
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luthervol said:
And he was also trying to promote the false premise that if they got the spot because of affirmative action, then they were less qualified than others who were passed over.
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That's kind of how AA/DEI works. Do you know if they were the most qualified or just pigeons, making them an exception to the rule.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You don’t think Floyd was a scumbag?
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Don't know much about him. I'd guess he was a pretty big scumbag.
Don't know much about CK. What I've seen makes him look like a childish turd.

Have I seen the big picture of who CK actually was? nope
What CK attempting to paint the big picture of who Floyd actually was? nope
 
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luthervol said:
So was CK more justified in calling George Floyd a scumbag than were those who called CK a scumbag.
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Situational...if you bothered to see his entire quote on that, and the comments about the cop in the sentence before his comment on Floyd.

Difference being, CK said GF was a scumbag....but DID NOT deserve to die. He never said GF got what he derserved, like people say about CK.

There's a huge difference. Step up to the plate for once.
 
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luthervol said:
Don't know much about him. I'd guess he was a pretty big scumbag.
Don't know much about CK. What I've seen makes him look like a childish turd.

Have I seen the big picture of who CK actually was? nope
What CK attempting to paint the big picture of who Floyd actually was? nope
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So the correct response is yes Floyd was a big scumbag just as CK said.
 
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GVF said:
In the full video his comments are a response/reaction to a video of Lee on the floor in the chambers saying she was a recipient of Action Affirmative, as she called it. The other three have made statements in the past that they too benefitted from AA/DEI. The video of Lee is what likely got the the other 3 rolled into a single commentary. His video was a confirmation that "yeah, that's obvious" and directed soley to those 4 ladies. Now, optics being what they are, could he have portayed that better, most likely. But, you can't isolate an event with a person and say they are this or that. You can take a persons entire career and make an informed opinion. Way too many times he has fielded questions about having hate or dislike for certain groups. Geez, just look at the demographics of the emoployees of TPUSA and you cannot legitamtely claim this guy was a racist or a phobic. Multiple blacks including Officer Tatum, 3 gay men, and one lesbian. religious folks have tried to corner him on that and he said hey, TPUSA is a secular organization. It's not a church.

I saw one clip the other yesterday I had never seen before. One religious zealot kid that was way off base with his own 'christianity' accusing Kirk of not being a true christian because he wasn't in gays faces condemning them. He was like 'why would I hate them. Jesus doesn't hate them. He teaches against their choices that are not his teachings, but he doesn't hate them. Infact he went into their homes and ate with sinners'. He emphatically stated all the time when people tried to catch him that he didn't hate anyone, he just held his own beliefs that some people choose not to live by.

We don't hold opinions of Biden by one late life event. It's a proven track record spanning the only job he ever held in his adult life. Was anyone ever curious how a man that had been in DC for 50+- years with multiple failed attempts at a presidential run all of a sudden at his age could get elected. But, that's a side bar. I digressed.
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Middle paragraph is perfect.
 
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luthervol said:
Don't know much about him. I'd guess he was a pretty big scumbag.
Don't know much about CK. What I've seen makes him look like a childish turd.

Have I seen the big picture of who CK actually was? nope
What CK attempting to paint the big picture of who Floyd actually was? nope
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Maybe that's one you should take an interest in learning about. The country needs more young people willing to stand against the direction it's headed. And trying to God back in the home along the way.

It's a bit sanctimonious to require him to be perfect. He always said he wasn't.
 
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GVF said:
Situational...if you bothered to see his entire quote on that, and the comments about the cop in the sentence before his comment on Floyd.

Difference being, CK said GF was a scumbag....but DID NOT deserve to die. He never said GF got what he derserved, like people say about CK.

There's a huge difference. Step up to the plate for once.
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Indeed. Everyone technically is a scumbag (perspective), but no one wishes for another's death... unless they politically disagree with you... (Not saying everyone mostly just radicals on BOTH SIDES.)
 
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GVF said:
Situational...if you bothered to see his entire quote on that, and the comments about the cop in the sentence before his comment on Floyd.

Difference being, CK said GF was a scumbag....but DID NOT deserve to die. He never said GF got what he derserved, like people say about CK.

There's a huge difference. Step up to the plate for once.
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I've heard far more people saying CK was a scumbag but DID NOT deserve to die.
 
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luthervol said:
Don't know much about him. I'd guess he was a pretty big scumbag.
Don't know much about CK. What I've seen makes him look like a childish turd.

Have I seen the big picture of who CK actually was? nope
What CK attempting to paint the big picture of who Floyd actually was? nope
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Again, you thought you knew CK's motives well enough to instruct everyone who'd been following him for years, all while also not knowing much about him. <eyeroll>
 
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luthervol said:
I've heard far more people saying CK was a scumbag but DID NOT deserve to die.
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I would not associate a person accepting what he felt God called him to do, and marrying that to a desire to help America's two sides find common ground as being a scumbag. Verses (by comparison for objectivity) a person that spent his entire life doing what....? But that's just me.

CK's entire platform was to promote dialogue because "when talking stops violence starts." That's the entire nutshell of the purpose of his campus tours. To promote dialogue and common ground.

I'm not a proponent of any human, man or woman, being elevated to a pedastal. But, I'm old enough to know God blessed him with something he intended to use him for.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I find it interesting that you used the term equitable instead of referring to equality. Equity means ensuring the same outcomes while equality means having the same opportunities.
America and even MLK sought “equality”. It is I think what most people aspire to.
And of course you are free to espouse equity over equality (although I will disagree with you). I just don’t ish to ascertain as to whether or not that was your meaning.
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Using this definition of equitable......
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fair and just, especially in a way that takes account of and seeks to address existing inequalities.
 
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