Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

[InVOLuntary]

Lol, I don't give two craps for politicians, on either side. or really any public figure. the loss of innocent civilians bothers me far more.

sovereign citizens aren't fans of Obama. if you are going to be that loose trying to lump people together be careful or the right is going to end up with a lot of the islamic terrorist killings because they were "right inspired gay hate".

Hortman was killed, pelosi's husband was attacked and the attacked made it clear he was there for Nancy. even though it was staged there was the plot to kidnap Michigans governor by people on the right that I don't think can be ignored.

Portman was killed by a guy that had anti-Trump memorabilia in his car. He had previously been appointed by Gov Waltz. She had just sided with Republicans on an important vote. I don't believe you can hang that one on right wingers. As to Pelosi, you mean his gay prostitute? You really think that guy was a right winger?

And are you talking about where the FBI orchestrated the kidnapping? That one?

 

[GVF]

I think the right is one election away from this too.

Trump has been pushing further and further away from the conservative core that built his support. its fine for him, but for the right in general its going to be problematic.

I don't disagree with the comparison. I do disagree that they keep calling him a dictator, autocrat, etc., etc. We still have the core of our constitutional republic system intact and would never provide for that to happen with a president without a full on rebellion. And that won't happen either. It's dead rhetoric. There is no sane person that can legitimately claim he is, because it is impsossible for him to be. That rhetoric exists on VN too, and it's asinine because it's impossible.

 

[LouderVol]

Portman was killed by a guy that had anti-Trump memorabilia in his car. He had previously been appointed by Gov Waltz. She had just sided with Republicans on an important vote. I don't believe you can hang that one on right wingers. As to Pelosi, you mean his gay prostitute? You really think that guy was a right winger?

And are you talking about where the FBI orchestrated the kidnapping? That one?

I brought up attacks on the left. you are trying to ignore it rather than acknowledge them.

yeah, thats why I called it staged attack. but guess what, the FBI didn't kidnap anyone and hold a gun to their head. the will was there, they were just stupid enough to get caught up in their own rhetoric.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

This is getting danger level.

This is getting worse than Obama and Biden’s attacks on free speech.

I would suggest that if you consider yourself a Christian and conservative to call your representatives because once the freedom of speech is destroyed then freedom of religion will be next.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't disagree with the comparison. I do disagree that they keep calling him a dictator, autocrat, etc., etc. We still have the core of our constitutional republic system intact and would never provide for that to happen with a president without a full on rebellion. And that won't happen either. It's dead rhetoric. There is no sane person that can legitimately claim he is, because it is impsossible for him to be. That rhetoric exists on VN too, and it's asinine because it's impossible.

I don't think its impossible at all. especially for Trump. its not like Trump has stayed within those boundaries set by the Constitution, just because he hasn't torn it down, doesn't mean he is innocent.

Trump has tried multiple times to circumvent the Constitution. the bump stock ban, and now with getting rid of birthright citizenship.
He has ignored the courts when it fits him.
he has continued to overspend, and use the EO to go around Congress.
he has deployed the military inside the US, and has greatly expanded what is considered terrorism while also upping the response to those terrorists.

both sides call the other dictator/autocrat. each election we get a bit closer, Trump is no exception.

 

[InVOLuntary]

T

I brought up attacks on the left. you are trying to ignore it rather than acknowledge them.

yeah, thats why I called it staged attack. but guess what, the FBI didn't kidnap anyone and hold a gun to their head. the will was there, they were just stupid enough to get caught up in their own rhetoric.

The point was attack on the left by the right. I find it strange that you acknowledge that the Michigan deal was set up by the government and yet, not a word.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This is getting danger level.

This is getting worse than Obama and Biden’s attacks on free speech.

I would suggest that if you consider yourself a Christian and conservative to call your representatives because once the freedom of speech is destroyed then freedom of religion will be next.

So, what are the details of the federal probe? Is it a criminal probe? Is it an FCC probe, investigating whether he and others have abused the use of public broadcast frequencies to knowingly lie to the American public? Is it trying to send him to prison, or reviewing whether ABC retains its use of public broadcasting?


So much we need to know. (And I agree. I'm uncomfortable with all of this and want to know more details.)

 

[LouderVol]

T

The point was attack on the left by the right. I find it strange that you acknowledge that the Michigan deal was set up by the government and yet, not a word.

not a word on what? again, when I brought it up I said it was staged.

 

[GVF]

The Right has its share of loons, dopes, and grifters. Mace combines the three.

A centrist viewoint no one can debate.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't think its impossible at all. especially for Trump. its not like Trump has stayed within those boundaries set by the Constitution, just because he hasn't torn it down, doesn't mean he is innocent.

Trump has tried multiple times to circumvent the Constitution. the bump stock ban, and now with getting rid of birthright citizenship.
He has ignored the courts when it fits him.
he has continued to overspend, and use the EO to go around Congress.
he has deployed the military inside the US, and has greatly expanded what is considered terrorism while also upping the response to those terrorists.

both sides call the other dictator/autocrat. each election we get a bit closer, Trump is no exception.

Can you give examples?

And per his examples, can you point to where he has dismantled Congress and SCOTUS?

 

[bamawriter]

This is getting danger level.

This is getting worse than Obama and Biden’s attacks on free speech.

I would suggest that if you consider yourself a Christian and conservative to call your representatives because once the freedom of speech is destroyed then freedom of religion will be next.

Yeah. I don't like this at all. Let the market deal with Kimmel. Flexing the power of the FCC to punish speech is not acceptable.

 

[EasternVol]

What was your point old wise one? Do you think he was a racist, white supremacist?

The person you were addressing's posts have consistently shown intelligence and maturity. Yours haven't.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The person you were addressing's posts have consistently shown intelligence and maturity. Yours haven't.

You mean when he called me stupid and other name calling. I called him ignorant, which he is if he thinks CK was racist, because he wasn't.

 

[GVF]

I don't think its impossible at all. especially for Trump. its not like Trump has stayed within those boundaries set by the Constitution, just because he hasn't torn it down, doesn't mean he is innocent.

Trump has tried multiple times to circumvent the Constitution. the bump stock ban, and now with getting rid of birthright citizenship.
He has ignored the courts when it fits him.
he has continued to overspend, and use the EO to go around Congress.
he has deployed the military inside the US, and has greatly expanded what is considered terrorism while also upping the response to those terrorists.

both sides call the other dictator/autocrat. each election we get a bit closer, Trump is no exception.

There have been times when courts with no jurisdiction have tried to restrict him. Government overreach.

EO's should have been snuffed out the day Obama built his presidency around them, and should be extremely limited for any POTUS. I think an EO should be very temporary with a due date to proceed through the Hosue and Senate if it's ramifications seek to be permanent.

They all overspend, and that needs to stop.

DC is not a ratified state. It is a federal jurisdiction, and in cooperation with the mayor. Other cities I think it's modus operandus. If they are sent in strictly for local support and in conjunction with local LEA's, then fine. One of the credences of the establishment of a federal government is to protect its citizens from thereats both from without and from within.

Whatver you think of what he is, or what he is doing is within the confines of what our constitution unlimately permits. It does not allow for a singular dictator, and cannot be achieved without true civil war.

 

[LouderVol]

Can you give examples?

And per his examples, can you point to where he has dismantled Congress and SCOTUS?

give examples like the bump stock ban, and birthright citizenship?
EOs are ubiquitous enough where I don't think they need to be explained, or an example provided here.
spending I would point to ICE having a larger budget than every other federal policing force COMBINED. but also just the debt clock.
terrorism he just labeled antifa terrorists, he also labeled drug cartels terrorists and has been blowing them up, while saying there is more of it going on than we know about. not hard to see concern about what is happening in the US if he is openly telling us we don't know everything.

where did I say he was dismantling either? you need to give your own examples before I will engage with that statement. Trump has weakened, or at least down nothing to stabilize, those core pieces of our nation.

 

[luthervol]

What better place to discuss things then an open anonymous forum???

maybe in the appropriate thread.

 

[EasternVol]

I'm not sure, could they be referring to her college career?

That was before the days of DEI though.

 

[LouderVol]

There have been times when courts with no jurisdiction have tried to restrict him. Government overreach.

EO's should have been snuffed out the day Obama built his presidency around them, and should be extremely limited for any POTUS. I think an EO should be very temporary with a due date to proceed through the Hosue and Senate if it's ramifications seek to be permanent.

They all overspend, and that needs to stop.

DC is not a ratified state. It is a federal jurisdiction, and in cooperation with the mayor. Other cities I think it's modus operandus. If they are sent in strictly for local support and in conjunction with local LEA's, then fine. One of the credences of the establishment of a federal government is to protect its citizens from thereats both from without and from within.

Whatver you think of what he is, or what he is doing is within the confines of what our constitution unlimately permits. It does not allow for a singular dictator, and cannot be achieved without true civil war.

You eat an elephant one bite at a time. you are accepting multiple bites for various reasons here. if one cares about the country, the constitution, or individual rights, its worth worrying about and calling out as bad. if you just quietly accept it from Trump you are also justifying the Dems taking the next set of bites. better to stop any and all bad actions, and not just wait until its politically convenient.

 

[midnight orange]

Yeah. I don't like this at all. Let the market deal with Kimmel. Flexing the power of the FCC to punish speech is not acceptable.

It's certainly not ideal but it's tit-for-tat which is the strategy you start with in a power struggle. If there's no tat, there is no barrier for the initiating party. There is also a danger of escalation in this game. We've been off the rails for at least 50 years and the last 10 years, while not desirable, were easily forseeable. We are seeing the consequences from the destruction of federalism bearing fruit.

 

[Orange_Crush]

give examples like the bump stock ban, and birthright citizenship?
EOs are ubiquitous enough where I don't think they need to be explained, or an example provided here.
spending I would point to ICE having a larger budget than every other federal policing force COMBINED. but also just the debt clock.
terrorism he just labeled antifa terrorists, he also labeled drug cartels terrorists and has been blowing them up, while saying there is more of it going on than we know about. not hard to see concern about what is happening in the US if he is openly telling us we don't know everything.

where did I say he was dismantling either? you need to give your own examples before I will engage with that statement. Trump has weakened, or at least down nothing to stabilize, those core pieces of our nation.

None of that is indicative of dictatorship. That's ridiculous.

Specifically, The SCOTUS killed the attempted bump-stock ban, and will weigh in on the Birthright Citizenship issue. From what I've been studying up on, he may have some valid points there--especially considering that a liberal lower court just made a ruling that would support his side on this very issue--i.e. an interpretation of what "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. If I get the time, I'll try to find a reference for you.

I don't recall him ever ignoring the courts. I recall all of you guys claiming that he was, when in actuality his DoJ was fighting cases through the legal mechanisms. Again... Proper checks and balances.

As usual, you discuss and debate via hyperbole.

 

[Orange_Crush]

maybe in the appropriate thread.

So if I start a thread for you, you'll deal with these difficult questions?

Maybe @McDad can start that poll, and you and I can do this there.

 

[midnight orange]

You eat an elephant one bite at a time. you are accepting multiple bites for various reasons here. if one cares about the country, the constitution, or individual rights, its worth worrying about and calling out as bad. if you just quietly accept it from Trump you are also justifying the Dems taking the next set of bites. better to stop any and all bad actions, and not just wait until its politically convenient.

We aren't going back to the Constitution. That train has left the station. Ditto individual rights.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

So, what are the details of the federal probe? Is it a criminal probe? Is it an FCC probe, investigating whether he and others have abused the use of public broadcast frequencies to knowingly lie to the American public? Is it trying to send him to prison, or reviewing whether ABC retains its use of public broadcasting?


So much we need to know. (And I agree. I'm uncomfortable with all of this and want to know more details.)

You mean “misinformation” “disinformation”

Sounds like Biden’s policy

 

[MOOOOONEY]

So, what are the details of the federal probe? Is it a criminal probe? Is it an FCC probe, investigating whether he and others have abused the use of public broadcast frequencies to knowingly lie to the American public? Is it trying to send him to prison, or reviewing whether ABC retains its use of public broadcasting?


So much we need to know. (And I agree. I'm uncomfortable with all of this and want to know more details.)

1 more thing.

When your side is winning, shut up and let the other side keep destroying themselves.

Trump should let any idiot speak on the 20% side, but no he has to try to outdo the idiots on the 20% side with something more idiotic.

 

[n_huffhines]

Nancy Mace is "the right".

She's one person with a history of bizarre statements.

No, she is just one person, but do you see all the crazy things people on the right are saying right now that we've been posting for the last few days? LOL. The statement was not about one screenshot.