Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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lawgator1 said:
Or, people on both sides could temper the level of their confrontational, demeaning styles. Explain. Reason. Not add gasoline to the fire.
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That sounds like we no longer have the backbone to listen and engage in opposing ideas. And it really sounds like sacrificing the thing that makes us the greatest country in the world to pander to the morally bankrupt and mentally unfit.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ok only one comment from me then I am running away from this thread again.

The first amendment only protects individuals from government infringement. So I’d guess that the DoD SM review will likely get shot down unless the government can prove somehow that exercising one’s right about an individual not in their chain of command breaks any UCMJ laws or regulations.

Now as many are finding out via their fairly rapid dismissals from their jobs or other appointments the first amendment doesn’t provide cover against private entities from taking actions.
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That was a bad answer to his question.

Should have kept with just the military.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
That question I could not answer, but I don’t recall hundreds of thousands or maybe millions celebrating or justifying a political motivated murder. Maybe you can point to one?

I think this is a unique situation.

A man was killed at free speech event where an exchange of different ideas and views were encouraged to be discussed. The epitome of The First Amendment.

I’m not familiar which social media platforms that you use, but I never seen the numbers of people justifying and celebrating the death of someone. It’s insane how many teachers, nurses, doctors, business owners, police officers, and military personnel have posted their celebration or justification of a murder.
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I don't use hardly any SM platforms. Sorry
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Apologies. I missed context. I thought it was still a conversation about the Marine lady that's paying for Charlie Kirk and flag comment. Posted from twitter a few pages ago.
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Ok. My comments were just about the fairly broad review of the DoD on SM of those serving as related to 1A and also invoking 1A on these campus exchanges. I don’t think the government has a leg to stand on there however as many are finding out they are fair game for their employers. Self inflicted moronic consequences as far as I’m concerned there too.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I know about the responsibilities of military personnel. You're exactly right about that. My point was: has this effort to scrutinize SM been done for other politically based violent attacks?
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I will try this again.

I’m not familiar with another high profile assassination or murder that military members celebrated or justified. I’m sure they were a few members of the military that have done it in the past and should be discharged.

Maybe you can point to one?
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, organized as in… organized. Structured. Formed. Coordinated.
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OK, I gotcha. Do you believe that the countries that have a historical cultural founding in Christianity are or are not a net benefit to world? And do you believe they would be better or worse off with no religious affiliation and henceforth no objective morality?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I will try this again.

I’m not familiar with another high profile assassination or murder that military members celebrated or justified. I’m sure they were a few members of the military that have done it in the past and should be discharged.

Maybe you can point to one?
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How many military members have been "celebrating" it? I have seen a number of posts that right wingers have claimed were "celebrating" but weren't actually celebrating. In this forum anyway
 
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OHvol40 said:
I think organized monotheistic religion has been the scourge of civilization for 100s of years, holding society back in many ways. So why wouldn’t I compare?
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Organized religion has been the foundation for civilization for 100s of years now. It’s not held society back but rather built society.
 
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CubsFanTN said:
OK, I gotcha. Do you believe that the countries that have a historical cultural founding in Christianity are or are not a net benefit to world? And do you believe they would be better or worse off with no religious affiliation and henceforth no objective morality?
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Well, that’s a fairly ambiguous qualification. What countries in your mind have a cultural founding in Christianity?

I can go ahead and answer the second part of your question now, because the stipulation that religion and morality are synonymous is false. A country doesn’t have to be tied to religion to have morals.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am not sure I agree. Admittedly I don't know own a ton about him and it seems like a lot of what is out there is cherry picked, by either side.
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Charlie Kirk is on youtube that you can see & check him out.
But I know you're too lazy and really don't care to know what he stood for.
You just cling to your hate media news groups to know what he's about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am not sure I agree. Admittedly I don't know own a ton about him and it seems like a lot of what is out there is cherry picked, by either side.
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That sounds remarkably like a "I disagree, even though I'm ignorant" card.

Would it be more beneficial for yourself and everyone else to go do the work that would support an informed opinion, and then jump back in the discussion?
 
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