Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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[BernardKingGOAT]

In this Judeo-Christian country of ours, where is this forcing of religious values given that we have religious freedom?

"Abortion is between the woman, her Doctor and her politician"

Of course that's a quote from the fringe, but several deep red states have enacted legislation based on religious culture, but you are free to go live in another state too

 

[volbound1700]

I didn't follow him closely either. I've watched him exponentially more since his death trying to learn more about him.

I never watched him before as well, but I have seen a few the last couple of days and, frankly, I like what he had to say.

 

[midnight orange]

Case in point. You're never not going to believe that the United States, wasn't intended to be a "christian nation".

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” - James Madison

Referring to a state mandated sect. This is consistent with what I said above. He’s speaking against having a state mandated denomination in order to maintain peace among the different sects. Virginia was arresting Baptist ministers for “preaching without a license”. The Anglican Church was the official church of Virginia. He was urging toleration between Christian sects.

 

[volbound1700]

"Abortion is between the woman, her Doctor and her politician"

Of course that's a quote from the fringe, but several deep red states have enacted legislation based on religious culture

Is it religious to protect life? We make laws protecting the life's of pets/animals. Is a dog more valuable than a human fetus? Seems like it is to some people. The crowd that cries the loudest about the lives of dogs and pets are the same group that argue to kill living fetuses.

 

[Ashevolle]

What I am explaining to you is that the evidence of a creation, a designer is there. You reject it. You said you don't see evidence, but I'm explaining to you that the evidence is there. No matter what evidence you're presented you're going to reject

Then do a better job of presenting your evidence. All you did was say "it's impossible" that God didnt create the universe because life can't be an accident.

Sorry, but that's not convincing. Life can rationally be explained through scientific theory. Doesn't mean it's a foregone conclusion, but just because it's not completely understood nor yet replicated doesn't mean abiogenesis is bunk scientific theory.

If your standard of proof (as it seems to be) is that it cannot be possible until it's proven to 100% certainty, then we should apply the same standard of proof to intelligent design. However, intelligent design suffers from the exact same lack of proof problem. You may be comfortable saying if evolutionary biology isn't 100% proven to be true, then it must be creation. But that's creating a double standard. I'll require the same proof for either before I'll accept it as absolute truth.

Beyond that, even if intelligent design were somehow proven, that doesn't mean that the Bible which was written down by humans across different eras and edited time and time again has any connection to that alleged intelligent designer. That's a whole other proof problem. So, again, the statement "X is an abomination against God" means nothing to me as an appeal.

 

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[CubsFanTN]

Yes. If you choose to try to legislate your religious beliefs on the nation, you are going to be held to a higher standard.

Pushing your religious beliefs through legislation, while you may feel is an obligation to your religion, is antithetical to the core concepts that the United States was founded on.

To be honest, I don't look it any differently than the muslims that want sharia law.

I think the goal of every Christian political leader should be to guide their nation/state/city towards the objective morality that we believe our creator has put in our hearts, not to force people into church pews. Certainly not every tenet of Islam is evil, but it is a religion of forced, man-made morality that was spread through military conquest and is maintained through fear and violence by those who choose to interpret it that way (that is not a blanket statement on everyone of a particular religious or national heritage, to be clear). So no, I don't think the two are very similar in most regards.

 

[Matt2496]

People making a big deal out of Kash Patel saying "Valhalla" are idiots.

 

[appvol]

MAGA loves political theater.

Libs love killing MAGA now and celebrating it

 

[OHvol40]

Case in point. You're never not going to believe that the United States, wasn't intended to be a "christian nation".

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” - James Madison

Right on JM. Calling the superstitious, superstitious. My problem with most religions is they are exclusionary by nature. What makes Christianity especially hypocritical is that (if you believe Jesus Christ existed, and believe the Bible contains tales of his teachings) Jesus preached inclusion and compassion, but many modern Christians are some of the most exclusionary and bigoted people to converse with. They use their religion as a shield to avoid societal backlash when persecuting gays, Muslims, pro-choice advocates, etc.

 

[appvol]

 

[ETV]

There are plenty of Christians on "the left".

Your attempt vilify them as amoral is just you being unable to reconcile the fact that not everyone who subscribes to Christianity, believes that they should legislate their brand of Christianity on the nation.

The only legislation passed in relation to morality and religion is overturning Rowe / Wade. Correct?

 

[Volfan8282]

"Abortion is between the woman, her Doctor and her politician"

Of course that's a quote from the fringe, but several deep red states have enacted legislation based on religious culture, but you are free to go live in another state too

Everyone has a God or a god that they worship.

 

[CobbVol]

"Abortion is between the woman, her Doctor and her politician"

Of course that's a quote from the fringe, but several deep red states have enacted legislation based on religious culture, but you are free to go live in another state too

So the Constitution had no bearing on abortion issues in "deep red states". Strictly based on religious cultures and sermons.

 

[ETV]

MAGA loves political theater.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Is it religious to protect life? We make laws protecting the life's of pets/animals. Is a dog more valuable than a human fetus? Seems like it is to some people. The crowd that cries the loudest about the lives of dogs and pets are the same group that argue to kill living fetuses.

How many times are you going to post this? Copy/paste?

I am someone who has participated HEAVILY in those charities and I know I've never argued for killing of live fetuses nor have I witnessed or heard of others doing it. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're a lying SOS.

 

[volbound1700]

Right on JM. Calling the superstitious, superstitious. My problem with most religions is they are exclusionary by nature. What makes Christianity especially hypocritical is that (if you believe Jesus Christ existed, and believe the Bible contains tales of his teachings) Jesus preached inclusion and compassion, but many modern Christians are some of the most exclusionary and bigoted people to converse with. They use their religion as a shield to avoid societal backlash when persecuting gays, Muslims, pro-choice advocates, etc.

Jesus preached loved, not inclusion. It is pretty clear, over and over again, in his words and the words of his Apostles, that only through Jesus can you attain salvation.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NOBODY comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32-33

This chapter continues further:

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”

Not sure what persecutions Christians are doing to other groups other than calling them sinners and saying they need repentance. There are "Christians" that say a lot of nonsense, sure. Under your logic, religions are bad because they are sharing tenants their faith believes but society disagrees on. That isn't bigotry.

 

[Vol8188]

Yup. People who run and get elected based on division should not be heard to complain when that division has a cost.

So you believe Obama and Biden have blood on their hands?

 

[volbound1700]

How many times are you going to post this? Copy/paste?

I am someone who has participated HEAVILY in those charities and I know I've never argued for killing of live fetuses nor have I witnessed or heard of others doing it. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're a lying SOS.

Then why argue for it? I was simply pointing out that opposition to abortion is NOT necessarily a Christian or Religious thing, it is a MORAL thing. No different than protecting dogs from abuse.

 

[OHvol40]

Jesus preached loved, not inclusion. It is pretty clear, over and over again, in his words and the words of his Apostles, that only through Jesus can you attain salvation.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life, NOBODY comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven." Matthew 10:32-33

This chapter continues further:

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”

Not sure what persecutions Christians are doing to other groups other than calling them sinners and saying they need repentance. There are "Christians" that say a lot of nonsense, sure. Under your logic, religions are bad because they are sharing tenants their faith believes but society disagrees on. That isn't bigotry.

Don’t strain too hard to distinguish love from inclusion, it would be a terrible world to live in if Christian’s didn’t have someone to hate.

 

[Vol8188]

I am someone who has participated HEAVILY in those charities and I know I've never argued for killing of live fetuses nor have I witnessed or heard of others doing it.

Umm….sir….I think you fundamentally misunderstand what an abortion is.

If you support abortion or “reproductive rights” as they like to call it, then you support “kill of live fetuses”.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

MAGA is horrible. Narrow minded. Bigoted. Anti science, anti intellectual, anti fact. Built on resentment.

But I wouldn't physically harm anyone over it.

Right, but when you (and the Democrat leadership) continues to push this against Maga, this is problem. Tthe Dems slam ALL conservatives while Maga attacks the Democrats leaders.

 

[NCFisher]

I think it's pitiful you think there's a gotcha here, as if bad people never emit from an environment of good people. Reason tells us some people are simply wired wrong, or become wired wrong.

You know why Jan 6 stands out so dramatically, like seeing a 150 lb. Shih-Tzu? Because it's practically without precedent; it's not what Republican constituents do, and thus the party doesn't have to contort itself into a figure 8 to provide cover for it.

That's a pretty stark contrast to the Democrat party and constituency.

Rather than putting an ounce of energy into imagining some great "drop in vitriol" by extrapolating Nancy fooking Mace, the focus should be on what & who radicalized what initially appears to be a normal guy with a normal background.
That's where the 'vitriol' concern lies.

 

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