Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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dalton_vol said:
As I say, you reject the mountain of evidence. I would argue that you are not open to any evidence.
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So I was open to it for 20 years, but stopped being open to it?

Rather, I was told to believe it. I did believe it. Over time I slowly realized the case for it wasn't very compelling. So I slowly reconsidered my position. And here I am today and no longer believe. That's the exact opposite of not being open to any evidence. Instead, I wrestled with it and changed my mind.

But God cannot be measured or quantified through any empirical means. If that changes, so too can my position.

If you want to pretend that I'm sticking my head in the sand because that better suits your narrative, knock yourself out. It doesn't matter to me. Just dont think an appeal to God is going to carry any weight to prove your point.
 
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KB5252 said:
I believe he felt strongly that the AA communities biggest problems are self inflicted. For example single parent households, black on black violence rate, violence rate in general. I believe when debating and parsing out the details what is using honesty from his point of view sounds like bigotry.

He was very different from Rush IMO. From what I've seen of Charlie (not a whole lot, but I've been watching more if his stuff the past two days), he was cordial and engaging with those who disagreed with him if they were civil. He was more confrontational with those who weren't. Rush was much more of an ass imo.

If you have the time could you post a video you feel he was bigoted on? I'm genuinely curious to see that side of him.
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Here’s one I saw posted this morning that give a few examples:

 
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ButchPlz said:
Homie bearded in here is in full defense because Kirk maybe was a meany pants that said being gay was a sin.
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Lol, this is classic projection. I'm not a 'single issue voter' like yourself.

You'll never find me condemning Kirk (or anyone for that matter) for expressing his views, as I am very much in favor of people expressing their true views on subjects; it makes it much easier to ridicule them when they're nonsensical.
 
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Ashevolle said:
So I was open to it for 20 years, but stopped being open to it?

Rather, I was told to believe it. I did believe it. Over time I slowly realized the case for it wasn't very compelling. So I slowly reconsidered my position. And here I am today and no longer believe. That's the exact opposite of not being open to any evidence. Instead, I wrestled with it, ha a crisis of faith, and changed my mind.

But God cannot be measured or quantified through any empirical means. If that changes, so too can my position.
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What came 1st? The stomach? The small intestines? The large intestines? Or the throat?
 
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KB5252 said:
It isn't though. There are states that allow transgender people to use women's dressing rooms. I they are charged with no crime for existing themselves to women in those places.
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I live in one such state. Indecent exposure is still a crime. You can't go parading your junk around in the changing room.
 
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KB5252 said:
Did you even watch the video in context and absorb the point he was making?

Or did you just get this from social media source taken out of context at their word as evidence you should dislike him and his message?

I can assure you that summary above isn't the message he was sending.
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Heh. Yeah, I listened to the precise words spoken by Kirk.

And, yeah, the message he was sending was that very clear: Gay people are sinners and as he said, per the bible, they should be stoned to death. "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters", he said.

No reasonable, rational person would deny this endorsement of violence.
 
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volinbham said:
the governor is going to get attacked for saying there were no riots and they didn't burn anything down even though his point was well made
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It really was a heart felt and impromptu speech. I’m sure he had some prepared points but he clearly communicated his sorrow and outrage on these events and extrapolated those feelings to his hope for the younger generation to learn from this.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'm not sure that whether or not you could hear the same in another church or not matters, since my response was to what Kirk's espoused views on the subject were.
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Do you have a problem with his views?
Not from a religious standpoint but from perhaps a scientific one regarding the trans movement especially in children? Kirk was highly opposed to giving puberty blockers to youth. Giving puberty blockers to kids is not the norm. Trust the science and let the kids go through puberty. Oh yeah, Lia Thomas should be competing against dudes!
 
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BruiserVol said:
I stayed out of this whole thread because I knew it was impossible to gain any ground in a debate. It’s always I’m right you’re right. There’s no compromise. If you cannot grasp that it’s an issue then it is what it is. You have your way of thinking and I have mine. All I’m saying is 11 year olds shouldn’t even be talking about genitals and yet there are 11 year olds all across the country coming home telling their parents it’s acceptable to get a sex change. In your eyes it probably is. That’s a fundamental difference we will never see eye to eye on.
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So how do you explain menstruation to an 11 year old girl in a health/sex education class, without discussing "genitals"?

Can you point to any curriculum where kids at 11 years old are being taught about 'gender reassignment surgery'?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, this is classic projection. I'm not a 'single issue voter' like yourself.

You'll never find me condemning Kirk (or anyone for that matter) for expressing his views, as I am very much in favor of people expressing their true views on subjects; it makes it much easier to ridicule them when they're nonsensical.
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May want to drink your coffee this morning- the belly button cheese you've been harvesting ain't providing the proper energy levels.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Patel is the most underwhelming FBI director to hold the office since the agency’s creation.
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It will be 50 years before the agency recovers from him. China and Russia have to be loving it.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Kash Patel questions grow as he gutted Utah FBI before Kirk shooting

Kash Patel fired the 'legendary' FBI special agent in charge in Salt Lake City, Mehtab Syed, just a month before she would have led the ongoing manhunt for Charlie Kirk's assassin.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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