Character vs. Talent

Which is the most important trait for a player to possess: character or talent?

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#51
#51
dave956 said:
Can't help wondering who gets the highest average salary.... The entire '09 UFL graduating class, or the '09 Vanderbilt class?

Just curious.... :)
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what does this have to do with winning football games? lol
 
#52
#52
It's awesome that this is the one time that I wasn't talking about you all..

Glad that you can immediately let me know where you stand on it by responding though.

Btw, players with bad character are the ones that expect payment, benefits, etc. for them to play at your university. Hince, the relation to the USC situation.
 
#53
#53
TylerD said:
Btw, players with bad character are the ones that expect payment, benefits, etc. for them to play at your university. Hince, the relation to the USC situation.
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You're making a blanket statement about 2 entirely different situations.

USC situation (and other similiar) = A young kid gets weaseled by an agent. Did the player know if it was right or wrong? Probably so, but the agent let on like it was okay because the player would pay him back. It was technically a loan since Bush would pay the agent back.

See how that would seem "okay" to a young guy that is pretty much already promised millions?

It has nothing to do with a player "expecting to get paid".

A young guy got weaseled. USC's compliance office failed miserably. USC's coaches failed him miserably.

A kid "expecting to get paid" has his palms greased by boosters and the like.
 
#54
#54
justingroves said:
You're making a blanket statement about 2 entirely different situations.

USC situation (and other similiar) = A young kid gets weaseled by an agent. Did the player know if it was right or wrong? Probably so, but the agent let on like it was okay because the player would pay him back. It was technically a loan since Bush would pay the agent back.

See how that would seem "okay" to a young guy that is pretty much already promised millions?

It has nothing to do with a player "expecting to get paid".

A young guy got weaseled. USC's compliance office failed miserably. USC's coaches failed him miserably.

A kid "expecting to get paid" has his palms greased by boosters and the like.
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oh, technicalities. Glad you are here to clear them up. Thank you for that.
 
#55
#55
TylerD said:
oh, technicalities. Glad you are here to clear them up. Thank you for that.
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What justin was saying is universally acknowledged in my opinion. I don't believe he was trying to clear anything up for you. He just forgot to go into the second situation... :popcorn:
 
#56
#56
hmanvolfan said:
What justin was saying is universally acknowledged in my opinion. I don't believe he was trying to clear anything up for you. He just forgot to go into the second situation... :popcorn:
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sarcasm...

Also, it is pretty universally acknowledged that he posts things like this just to be right, and that he knows that my statement wasn't completely wrong. The point however, is to make me look wrong anyway possible.

The players with good character and that have been raised right would not get themselves into the situation, period. I am sure that plenty of players are approached with these kinds of situations all the time, but it is still their choice and character has a lot to do with what you choose to do. My original post in which he began his rant was based toward people posting on the board saying that we needed to recruit "talented thugs" and the coaches that do that are the ones that turn the other way when things like this happen...

Therefore, I believe that if you want our program to recruit talented thugs other than players with SEC talent and high character than you are ultimately wishing for us to become what USC has become.

My opinion isn't yours though.. So, please remind me that I should stop sharing it.
 
#57
#57
hmanvolfan said:
Look, it's not rocket surgery. If there is a world class high school football player that has some skeletons in his closet tell him you would love for him to play for your program but there is a standard that will be upheld. He will be welcome, but on a short leash and no bs will be tolerated. If he is a part of the team structure we'll have his back as long as his behavior doesn't impact negatively on the team concept. Leave the ball in his court but he must understand there will be consequences for rules violations.
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TylerD said:
sarcasm...

Also, it is pretty universally acknowledged that he posts things like this just to be right, and that he knows that my statement wasn't completely wrong. The point however, is to make me look wrong anyway possible.

The players with good character and that have been raised right would not get themselves into the situation, period. I am sure that plenty of players are approached with these kinds of situations all the time, but it is still their choice and character has a lot to do with what you choose to do. My original post in which he began his rant was based toward people posting on the board saying that we needed to recruit "talented thugs" and the coaches that do that are the ones that turn the other way when things like this happen...

Therefore, I believe that if you want our program to recruit talented thugs other than players with SEC talent and high character than you are ultimately wishing for us to become what USC has become.

My opinion isn't yours though.. So, please remind me that I should stop sharing it.
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Does my above post agree with the bolded parts of your post?
 
#58
#58
TylerD said:
sarcasm...

Also, it is pretty universally acknowledged that he posts things like this just to be right, and that he knows that my statement wasn't completely wrong. The point however, is to make me look wrong anyway possible.

The players with good character and that have been raised right would not get themselves into the situation, period. I am sure that plenty of players are approached with these kinds of situations all the time, but it is still their choice and character has a lot to do with what you choose to do. My original post in which he began his rant was based toward people posting on the board saying that we needed to recruit "talented thugs" and the coaches that do that are the ones that turn the other way when things like this happen...

Therefore, I believe that if you want our program to recruit talented thugs other than players with SEC talent and high character than you are ultimately wishing for us to become what USC has become.

My opinion isn't yours though.. So, please remind me that I should stop sharing it.
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You must hate Bruce Pearl and Phillip Fulmer
 
#60
#60
justingroves said:
You must hate Bruce Pearl and Phillip Fulmer
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I don't think Bruce Pearl is making an effort to find ****ty people, and I think Fulmer just did not observe them personally because he was only concerned about their ability.

I do not hate Fulmer, but I do think he overlooked a lot of things.
 
#61
#61
I think with character comes talent, because those are the ones that work the hardest. The kind of people we actually want in here, not thugs gifted with athletic abilities and a popular name.
 
#62
#62
K Zed said:
I think with character comes talent, because those are the ones that work the hardest. The kind of people we actually want in here, not thugs gifted with athletic abilities and a popular name.
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What? Hard work = talent? Umm, no. There are people on earth that are just physically more gifted to play a certain sport.

Now, all things being equal including God-given talent, yeah, hard work can allow for separation... But, not hard work on its own.
 
#63
#63
Volfan8282 said:
What? Hard work = talent? Umm, no. There are people on earth that are just physically more gifted to play a certain sport.

Now, all things being equal including God-given talent, yeah, hard work can allow for separation... But, not hard work on its own.
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even though, i don't agree fully, i still see your point though. Normally the best are the ones that have done the sport all of their life. Like almost from childbirth "all their life." That's where talent comes too, not just natural abillity. Constant repitition.
 
#64
#64
jspvol76 said:
This is an across the board question and not just for UT. Do you think a team of high character kids can win a national championship? I have been in a constant debate about this since the Kiffin debacle.
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Absolutely. The 1998 Tennessee Volunteers.

Jeez, some of the questions on volnation....just crazy.

Billy Ratliff to Tee Martin VERY late in the Arkansas game trailing the 'Backs with fans streaming out of the stadium: "Tee, keep your helmet on, we're getting the ball back." Never-quit type character right there.

Wham, bang, fumble, Hogs D slapped around, cheeze goes "Down the Field" on every play.....TD!! Rocky Top plays, fireworks explode....VOLS WIN!
 
#65
#65
bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
Absolutely. The 1998 Tennessee Volunteers.
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While they had some good character guys, dont get it confused with the question. That team was absolutely LOADED from a talent standpoint.

Talent is always going to beat character on the field no matter how you spin it.
 
#66
#66
head1 said:
While they had some good character guys, dont get it confused with the question. That team was absolutely LOADED from a talent standpoint.

Talent is always going to beat character on the field no matter how you spin it.
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Guess that's how Boise St. beat Oklahoma a few years back.
High character kids are going to be able to get through the crap that they are going to run into and buy in to what Dooley needs them to buy into and that's the team. They have to be able to determine right from wrong off the field also. Yes they have to be talented but they got to put the team and its direction ahead of themselves. It takes a lot of character to do that. We need guys NOW that are going to be with the program for the next four years. Not the kids that get in trouble or can't make the grades. They are of no use to the team if they get sent packing for "personal" reasons. We can't spend our time trying to get them here only to see them fail because they don't get it.
 
#67
#67
head1 said:
While they had some good character guys, dont get it confused with the question. That team was absolutely LOADED from a talent standpoint.

Talent is always going to beat character on the field no matter how you spin it.
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No one, including you and I thought so when Peyton Manning(and many others) left in '97. Loaded, bull. Al Wilson and a bunch of fighters on defense. A patchwork of rb's and a new QB on offense. Double bull. They played their way into greatness as a team. Character.

UT had several MUCH more talented teams in the 90's. The character guys were the ones who won the NC, though.
 
#68
#68
2 of those RBs started multiple yrs in the NFL. As did numerous defensive players off that team. Ill show you some pics from the NCship after party, some character.
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#69
#69
bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
No one, including you and I thought so when Peyton Manning(and many others) left in '97. Loaded, bull. Al Wilson and a bunch of fighters on defense. A patchwork of rb's and a new QB on offense. Double bull. They played their way into greatness as a team. Character.

UT had several MUCH more talented teams in the 90's. The character guys were the ones who won the NC, though.
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High character guys on that team? I"ll admit that some of them were, but let's be honest. Jamal Lewis was busted for cocaine trafficking, Travish Henry has 9 kids by different women that he doesn't pay child support on and has been busted for slinging rocks too.

I'm not saying they were all like that, but there was a lot of talent and they weren't all high character guys. I think you need a good mixture of high quality leadership and elite talent to win big. Not all of one or the other.
 
#70
#70
Demon_Vol said:
High character guys on that team? I"ll admit that some of them were, but let's be honest. Jamal Lewis was busted for cocaine trafficking, Travish Henry has 9 kids by different women that he doesn't pay child support on and has been busted for slinging rocks too.

I'm not saying they were all like that, but there was a lot of talent and they weren't all high character guys. I think you need a good mixture of high quality leadership and elite talent to win big. Not all of one or the other.
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I agree-it takes BOTH-take pride in your team and school, show up for class, take coaching, never quit-plus be a very good athlete.

And, someone(s) betrayed Jesus. Now, THOSE guys were supposed to be character examples but big mistakes are the grit of us-people. Have no idea how many stars they had, though. :peace2:
 
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#71
#71
bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
I agree. And, someone(s) betrayed Jesus. Now, THOSE guys were supposed to be character examples. Have no idea how many stars they had, though. :peace2:
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There's like 3 guys on that team that have taken a human life. A few others in the years after. (Stallworth and Witten come to mind immediately)
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