CBS Sports- Dobbs a Top 10 QB for 2017 Draft

[VOL 4 Life 83]

Thats got to be the dumbest mock draft I've ever seen. Love Jamal Adams but if Sean Taylor couldn't go top 3, no safety ever will. Adams is in the lower top 10 though.

Fournette at 8 is a joke. If Elliott went #4, Fournette will be top 5 next year.

Christian McCaffrey is also not going in the 1st round. Just because you're a heisman contender, doesn't make you a first rounder (as Derrick Henry found out). McCaffrey doesn't have the build of an every down back. He'll go 2nd round at best.

Jabrill Peppers in the first round is a joke as well. The kid is so overrated it's not even funny. He couldn't start in our secondary yet they have him in the first lol.

I could keep going. But thats a horrible mock draft.

The key word here is "mock" draft. I recall yours being so much more accurate?

 

[KBVol]

Thinking more about Dobbs and how he could significantly increase his passing numbers. As everybody seems to agree, if he can get better throwing the ball downfield, the go routes, the fade routes outside the hashes that typically result in 25+ yards, then he can make up some serious ground on the top statistical throwers.

He can attempt the same number of passes this year, 344, as he did last year and push his passing yards from 2291 to 3000 by increasing his yards per attempt by 2 yards, from a paltry 6.7 to a robust 8.7, which could very realistically be a result of him improving his deep passing. Sounds like a very tall order, but it can be done .....,. Brandon Allen of Arkansas increased his average yards per attempt by 2.6 yards from his junior to his senior season....so again, it can be done. Also, if he gets better completing those, connects on a lot of them early in the season, then it becomes a strength of the offense and then, surely to goodness, Butch and DeBord call a lot more of them, and everything snowballs in the right direction.

Additionally, Josh averaged only 1.15 TD passes per game las year....15 in 13 games. Bump that to 2 per game and all of a sudden, he's at 26 or 28, depending on if we play 13 or 14 games. Either of those numbers would've put him in the top 4 in the SEC and top 25 in the country last year. Add those passing numbers to what we suspect he'll do again on the ground this year, along with an 11 or 12-2 season for the Vols and Josh's stock as an NFL QB could rise very quickly.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The key word here is "mock" draft. I recall yours being so much more accurate?

I don't do mock drafts. I project how good kids will be in the pros. Not how dumb some GMs will be in picking players.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Thinking more about Dobbs and how he could significantly increase his passing numbers. As everybody seems to agree, if he can get better throwing the ball downfield, the go routes, the fade routes outside the hashes that typically result in 25+ yards, then he can make up some serious ground on the top statistical throwers.

He can attempt the same number of passes this year, 344, as he did last year and push his passing yards from 2291 to 3000 by increasing his yards per attempt by 2 yards, from a paltry 6.7 to a robust 8.7, which could very realistically be a result of him improving his deep passing. Sounds like a very tall order, but it can be done .....,. Brandon Allen of Arkansas increased his average yards per attempt by 2.6 yards from his junior to his senior season....so again, it can be done. Also, if he gets better completing those, connects on a lot of them early in the season, then it becomes a strength of the offense and then, surely to goodness, Butch and DeBord call a lot more of them, and everything snowballs in the right direction.

Additionally, Josh averaged only 1.15 TD passes per game las year....15 in 13 games. Bump that to 2 per game and all of a sudden, he's at 26 or 28, depending on if we play 13 or 14 games. Either of those numbers would've put him in the top 4 in the SEC and top 25 in the country last year. Add those passing numbers to what we suspect he'll do again on the ground this year, along with an 11 or 12-2 season for the Vols and Josh's stock as an NFL QB could rise very quickly.

Just some thoughts.

Looks like we're beginning to see eye to eye.

I believe Josh has the TALENT to do that. Its now just about doing it.

Win the SEC, make the playoffs, and improve the numbers and his stock will soar. Especially during the interview period where he'll shine even more.

 

[VOL 4 Life 83]

I don't do mock drafts. I project how good kids will be in the pros. Not how dumb some GMs will be in picking players.

I'm fairly confident I remember you stating that certain players would be selected in certain rounds. Hmmm, maybe I'm just imagining things....

Regardless, please send us all a postcard when you get hired to run an NFL team.

 

[KBVol]

I don't do mock drafts. I project how good kids will be in the pros. Not how dumb some GMs will be in picking players.

So, as predicted by many in here, according to you it's not you, but rather the men who have become millionaires by rising to the top of their profession in a $10 billion industry, by being the best at evaluating the skills and talent of thousands upon thousands of young prospects over decades of honing their craft.

It's not that Marquez wasn't a great, talented and an outstanding prospect like you said.....it's that all those idiot GMs just weren't smart enough to see it and do the right thing.

Gotta hand it to you D4H, you're one "confident", dare I say brash young man.

 

[livefaith]

If this ends up being right, it means we probably developed a downfield passing game and had a great season, so I'm all for it

Came to post something similar ... If this list turns out to be true after the season, then I would lean heavily to the Vols making a playoff run.

 

[livefaith]

I think another factor to weigh is the recent downturn of the free agent QB market, essentially forcing teams to draft a QB higher than they normally would because there just isn't that much talent out there. Much like this years draft, theres no way in hell those two QB's should have gone that high given their talent levels. If we can project to next year and predict which teams will need a QB it could give us an idea where Josh might be drafted. He may end up being drafted higher than he should based on team needs, but I just don't see him being a 1st/2nd rounder.

Good point. Draft is a little like an auction. People pay more when more than "one" has a need in a "winner take all" situation. You may have ended up paying more than you wanted. But that amount is still less than the cost of leaving without.

 

[delfonic]

I'm fairly confident I remember you stating that certain players would be selected in certain rounds. Hmmm, maybe I'm just imagining things....

Regardless, please send us all a postcard when you get hired to run an NFL team.

Yes, please send a postcard. Make mine out to "UUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I THOUGHT WE WERE RID OF HIM"

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

I like what I've been seeing since buTch got here.

Our players and talent got better.

Our discipline and motivation got better including in the classroom.

Our O line got better so our running game broke out last season.

Our D has gotten lots better too.

Our confidence should be through the roof.

Following all that progression of getting better I have a feeling that this is the year that our passing game gets better too.

I also have a feeling that this is the year we see our TE's making lots of great plays and that will open things up a lots more for our RB's and WR's.

It's damn hard to cover everyone.

Buckle up guys and gals, this is going to be a wild ride this season.

Climbing the rankings WIN by WIN...VFL...GBO!!!

 

[butchna]

The key word here is "mock" draft. I recall yours being so much more accurate?

You also don't always have a Jerry Jones at the top of a draft...trying to rechannel the Emmitt Smith era. Even with him dug in, he almost caved and took Ramsey. Maybe our football Svengali should skip that fifth rewatch of the Western Carolina game and peruse a few draft trends from the previous decades?

 

[vols 30]

Dobbs would be drafted even if we have a replay of last year. If we develop a downfield passing game (which I think happens with the emergence of Preston Williams) then we win the SEC championship, make the playoffs, and Dobbs goes high in the draft.

Dobbs needs to improve immensely in the passing game to be drafted at all.

 

[BigOrangeLoyalist]

Dobbs in Chip Kelly's 49er offense... hmmm...

 

[KBVol]

Looks like we're beginning to see eye to eye.

I believe Josh has the TALENT to do that. Its now just about doing it.

Win the SEC, make the playoffs, and improve the numbers and his stock will soar. Especially during the interview period where he'll shine even more.

I don't know if I'd say "eye to eye"....you're definitively predicting it, declaring that he'll do it and anybody who doesn't see it similarly is a fool. I'm talking more "what if" and how he could get there, not "he's absolutely gonna get there".

I'm saying its a bit of a tall order, but thst it can be done, a la Brandon Allen. But the whole thing hinges on him improving his deep ball accuracy. And I chose yards per attempt as the preferred measure to improve over completion percentage because it's much more impactful. By contrast, while a jump there from 60 to 65% would be great and could definitely help over the course of the season, if we assume he throws the same number of passes this year as last, it only nets him an additional 200 yards or so. We could've used those extra yards last year vs Oklahoma and Florida, but 700>200 everyday of the week.

The emergence of a PWill, a JJ and the continued improvement of Malone, who actually showed he can get deep last year, will certainly help. But it's Josh's improvement that is the most important IMO. I thought he threw it great in the Orange and White with the exception of one WR screen that he skipped to the WR.....but if course he's thrown it great in the spring game 3 years running now, so we'll. I'm hopeful, if not fully confident, that he will do it.

 

[VonVol]

Thats got to be the dumbest mock draft I've ever seen. Love Jamal Adams but if Sean Taylor couldn't go top 3, no safety ever will. Adams is in the lower top 10 though.

Fournette at 8 is a joke. If Elliott went #4, Fournette will be top 5 next year.

Christian McCaffrey is also not going in the 1st round. Just because you're a heisman contender, doesn't make you a first rounder (as Derrick Henry found out). McCaffrey doesn't have the build of an every down back. He'll go 2nd round at best.

Jabrill Peppers in the first round is a joke as well. The kid is so overrated it's not even funny. He couldn't start in our secondary yet they have him in the first lol.

I could keep going. But thats a horrible mock draft.

Book it.

 

[djohnnyg]

Top 10 means if he's like 9th or 10th taken then it may be as a UDFA. He simply must be a better passer to go in the mid rounds or higher. That whole running QB fad is fading away. It had its run of a year or two.

If he goes to a team I don't like i'll root against him. I love the Vols and as long he is a Vol i'll root for him...but once that's over all bets are off. I loved Witten but when he went to Dallas I hoped he fell off the earth.

 

[KBVol]

Book it.

Why, of course Von. What else would we do? 😁

 

[KBVol]

Thats got to be the dumbest mock draft I've ever seen. Love Jamal Adams but if Sean Taylor couldn't go top 3, no safety ever will. Adams is in the lower top 10 though.

Fournette at 8 is a joke. If Elliott went #4, Fournette will be top 5 next year.

Christian McCaffrey is also not going in the 1st round. Just because you're a heisman contender, doesn't make you a first rounder (as Derrick Henry found out). McCaffrey doesn't have the build of an every down back. He'll go 2nd round at best.

Jabrill Peppers in the first round is a joke as well. The kid is so overrated it's not even funny. He couldn't start in our secondary yet they have him in the first lol.

I could keep going. But thats a horrible mock draft.

Duly. Noted.

 

[ncvol004]

I feel like having a healthy Preston Williams will open our down field passing up p. Williams is a Aj green clone he goes up and gets the ball and has the speed to beAt cb's it will be night and day compared to the last few years and if Josh malone can turn into the the super star he was supposed to be we could be one of the most dangerous passing teams out there!!!

 

[vtvol98]

CBS also did a top 10 for seniors and top 10 for junior draft prospects...was expecting to see Barnett on the Juniors list but he wasn't.

Myles Garrett was #2

Also saw Carl Lawson on one of those lists. He's yet to do anything despite being All-SEC for 2 years now.

SI.com had Barnett being drafted in the 9th slot by Indy for their 2017 mock draft.

 

[k-town_king]

Dobbs and Tyrod Taylor are very comparable. Dobbs has been more accurate while Taylor had a higher ypc and ypa. Dobbs is accurate enough. He needs to improve consistency. He will be drafted without a doubt.

 

[KBVol]

Dobbs and Tyrod Taylor are very comparable. Dobbs has been more accurate while Taylor had a higher ypc and ypa. Dobbs is accurate enough. He needs to improve consistency. He will be drafted without a doubt.

If he needs to improve his consistency, then he's by definition not accurate enough. I agree he'll be drafted, only question is when.

 

[BigOrange15]

I feel like having a healthy Preston Williams will open our down field passing up p. Williams is a Aj green clone he goes up and gets the ball and has the speed to beAt cb's it will be night and day compared to the last few years and if Josh malone can turn into the the super star he was supposed to be we could be one of the most dangerous passing teams out there!!!

It did wonders for Arkansas. Having Dominic Reed as a viable deep threat completely changed the complexion of their offense.

 

[Remy]

Dobbs on list of top QBs to watch for '17 Draft

A snippet .....

"Joshua Dobbs’ ability to be a dynamic college quarterback isn’t in question. That’s been answered.

What remains in question, though, is what kind of prospect Tennessee’s senior quarterback is for the NFL level.

The 6-foot-3, 210-pound Dobbs is a fantastic athlete for the quarterback position, and his film against elite SEC athletes proves that beyond a reasonable doubt. Dobbs also draws justifiably high praise for his intelligence, character and leadership skills."



The list....

The top 10 QBs we'll be talking about before the 2017 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com


8. Josh Dobbs, senior, Tennessee: No character issues here. As an aerospace engineering major, Dobbs is one heck of a quarterback -- and if you have to be told -- he is also a top-notch student.

The Vols will be favored to win the SEC East. Dobbs is the biggest reason on a team with 16 other returning starters. Coming off the worst completion percentage of his career (59.6), Dobbs’ intangibles are more important than ever. He didn’t pout when Tennessee started 2-3 and blew games against Oklahoma, Florida and Arkansas. Dobbs will have to show scouts he can throw downfield. Only 17 of his completions last year went for at least 25 yards. His 671 rushing yards led all SEC quarterbacks.

Lol, KB hard to believe you of all people gave D4H this assist at a slam dunk! I love Dobbs as a Vol, I'm not convinced the young man has what it takes to be a starting NFL QB or even wants to be one. Time will tell.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I think one thing that Dobbs' has going for him is that he has the build (longer arms/legs), rather than say a Dak Prescott or a lot of other conventional running QB's. I believe with a proper QB coach his passing would develop to the point were he could be a solid contributor at the NFL level.