CBS Sports: Butch Jones is in trouble

[CountVolcula]

Thank you. So, just to affirm your stance, if they go said 8-4 and win a "quality" bowl game to finish 9-4, you want Coach Butch Jones fired?

5-7
7-6
9-4

This would not be enough to keep CBJ?

I'm asking because you seem to be one of the veteran posters here whom I also see as one of the "leaders" of the let's-can-CBJ-movement. I value your opinion.

And the reason is like the old saying " man can not live by bread alone "

You can't maintain a coaching staff that loses to your rivals. It's the reason Majors was fired. He couldn't beat Bama and he was winning 8 games and sometimes 11 games a year

 

[He_Made_It]

Finish 8-4 and win games against cupcake teams we are expected to beat.no signature wins. He should be fired

I see. With this in mind, would you care to discuss potential replacements for the 2016 season?

I would like to get an idea of potential HC candidates to expect after our 9-4 crumble.

I'm hearing Chip Kelly, Jon Gruden, Peyton Manning, Phil Fulmer so far.

 

[vol-un-tear]

Watching A Season with Notre Dame. Kelly has had ups and downs. Last minute losses, blunders and tons of injuries. Their game against Virginia very similar to our game. Kelly went downfield long with their second string QB and won in the last minute. Jones better make some tough decisions and get some play calling balls! ND had multiple go to guys. We have one. Its hard to watch.

 

[Wylo]

A prominent coach wouldn't touch the job with the proverbial 10 foot pole if the administration is gullible enough to fall for the torch and pitchfork routine of VN. After all, that is what started this 8 year old fiasco.

So when do you cut bait?

You okay with losing to every relevant rival every year?

 

[ToptheTerrible]

I love coming on here and reading all the nonsense. 8-4 is a really good season no matter how you slice it. To think otherwise is just childish.

But keep it coming guys. I need the laugh. I just wish I would go up against many of you in business. I would be filthy rich off your knee jerk absurdity. Awesome.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

Thank you. So, just to affirm your stance, if they go said 8-4 and win a "quality" bowl game to finish 9-4, you want Coach Butch Jones fired?

5-7
7-6
9-4

This would not be enough to keep CBJ?

I'm asking because you seem to be one of the veteran posters here whom I also see as one of the "leaders" of the let's-can-CBJ-movement. I value your opinion.

I believe he has been stating how he has felt for a while. I can't speak for him but I highly doubt he or majority of fans expect to go 8-4. I expect 5-7 no bowl. He has lost the fanbase and will lose recruits and the team next.

 

[He_Made_It]

And the reason is like the old saying " man can not live by bread alone "

You can't maintain a coaching staff that loses to your rivals. It's the reason Majors was fired. He couldn't beat Bama and he was winning 8 games and sometimes 11 games a year

You make some great points. Beating one's rival, at least one a year, is paramount.

My next question is: are you upset about "how" UT lost these two games to OU & UF? In other words, if they had lost by similar scores, but had to come from behind only to fall short, would your opinion remain the same?

 

[ToptheTerrible]

Thank you. So, just to affirm your stance, if they go said 8-4 and win a "quality" bowl game to finish 9-4, you want Coach Butch Jones fired?

5-7
7-6
9-4

This would not be enough to keep CBJ?

I'm asking because you seem to be one of the veteran posters here whom I also see as one of the "leaders" of the let's-can-CBJ-movement. I value your opinion.

Your wasting your time if you are looking for any sense from 90% of this board. But hey, keep shoveling poop M-F during your 9 to 5's and come on here and share your wisdom. Me and my buddies love it. Hard to get comedy this cheap anywhere else.

 

[MedicT]

So when do you cut bait?

You okay with losing to every relevant rival every year?

Of course not, but if the program is not willing to let a staff and system mature then nothing of any significance will be gained. Occasionally, the team will luck into a good win but a sustained national or conference power will always remain out of reach. Both losses this year can easily be attributed to immaturity.

 

[He_Made_It]

I believe he has been stating how he has felt for a while. I can't speak for him but I highly doubt he or majority of fans expect to go 8-4. I expect 5-7 no bowl. He has lost the fanbase and will lose recruits and the team next.

I understand your frustration.

I was more curious about the feelings after a hypothetical 9-4 season after losing to, what I think will eventually be, four top 15-20 teams.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Barring wins over Georgia and Bama, I say this is his final stand

He could easily lose to Missouri and we play Kentucky in Lexington

This could go south very fast for our Band Leader

I think this week vs Arky tells us everything.
I really don't think The administration would make a change unless we miss a bowl game. I don't think that the Florida game was make or break till the way we lost to Oklahoma. And then again against Florida.....smh.

 

[TGVol]

Thank you. So, just to affirm your stance, if they go said 8-4 and win a "quality" bowl game to finish 9-4, you want Coach Butch Jones fired?

5-7
7-6
9-4

This would not be enough to keep CBJ?

It would be enough for me under condition that Butch brings in another top 10 class. However I think that is very doubtful now when recruits will know he is on hot seat - competitors will make sure to point that out, and also to point out to QB and WR prospects that his system will not utilize them and/or put them into NFL.

 

[Dustin4Vols]

I see. With this in mind, would you care to discuss potential replacements for the 2016 season?

I would like to get an idea of potential HC candidates to expect after our 9-4 crumble.

I'm hearing Chip Kelly, Jon Gruden, Peyton Manning, Phil Fulmer so far.

Gary Patterson,Kyle whittingham,chip Kelly. I like Baylors offense so throw art in as well. Won't ever get any of them though because we are cheap

 

[Vol Main]

The garbage that was coming out in support of Butch before the season was way premature.

Similarly, the decision to give Butch a raise this past off season was about as short-sighted a decision as you'll ever see.

And if another school had hired Butch away from UT, fans would say that the AD should have raised his salary.

 

[bjsvols1]

8-4 even 7-5 and Jones is going nowhere. I'd say unless he has a losing season he's here next year.

If I'm Dave Hart and he makes a change, I'd let David Cutcliffe name his price. He gets 5 years. He'd win 10 games with this talent and since he's a TN guy the family would embrace him meaning he's not losing many players to attrition. He'd be a short term solution but so what.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

:clap: Very successful "build you up to tear you down" campaign. You earned a paycheck. Go get yourself a sixpack and a rotisserie chicken.

 

[volinbama256]

We are not getting anymore top recruiting classes until something drastically changes. Top tier kids are not coming here. The instant win/gratification generation of recruits are watching this debacle and are walking away. I will be shocked if we keep JG or any other top tier talent.

 

[fester]

The coaching staff has been badly exposed. Debord has no passing scheme and no creativity. This won't be corrected. Debord must be replaced immediately as playcaller and a passing game needs to be installed immediately.

How such incompetence got behind the steering wheel is inexplicable, but if Butch want's to save his job, Debord needs to be relieved immediately.

 

[McDad]

I think this week vs Arky tells us everything.
I really don't think The administration would make a change unless we miss a bowl game. I don't think that the Florida game was make or break till the way we lost to Oklahoma. And then again against Florida.....smh.

I think we have been told and Arky will confirm what we think or be considered an anomaly. I hope everyone, from top down can get better,smarter,etc

 

[MedicT]

We are not getting anymore top recruiting classes until something drastically changes. Top tier kids are not coming here. The instant win/gratification generation of recruits are watching this debacle and are walking away. I will be shocked if we keep JG or any other top tier talent.

I remember reading that line last fall.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

You make some great points. Beating one's rival, at least one a year, is paramount.

My next question is: are you upset about "how" UT lost these two games to OU & UF? In other words, if they had lost by similar scores, but had to come from behind only to fall short, would your opinion remain the same?

How we lost is 100% the reason for me. If we lose to UF 28-27 because we fail on a 2 pt try late in the 4th, after trailing entire game, I could totally understand that. Away from home, go for the win.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

I understand your frustration.

I was more curious about the feelings after a hypothetical 9-4 season after losing to, what I think will eventually be, four top 15-20 teams.

Man I have been frustrated since 2004. I rarely come to this site anymore. Hypothetically if he could go 9-4 then yea he deserves opportunity. But the problem is he isn't. He recruits great and that hid a lot of his poor coaching abilities and management because we were young and rebuilding, which he deserved time for. But his true colors are coming out I am afraid. I am tired of this ****. Hell most of us don't live in Knoxville and have to deal with other fans constantly. Tired. Do what Michigan did. Grow balls and hire a big time coach. No reason to think they won't come here.

 

[JohnMcA60]

Thank you. So, just to affirm your stance, if they go said 8-4 and win a "quality" bowl game to finish 9-4, you want Coach Butch Jones fired?

5-7
7-6
9-4

This would not be enough to keep CBJ?

I'm asking because you seem to be one of the veteran posters here whom I also see as one of the "leaders" of the let's-can-CBJ-movement. I value your opinion.

If he goes 8-4 then I will eat crow but this is a 7-5 (regular season) football team. It was like last year. We lose to UGA by 3 and UF by 1 and we could have been 8-4 but instead we were 6-6. This year, we should have won against OU but lost in 2OT and lost to UF by 1. Should have been 9-3 but instead we are going to be 7-5. Butch will get another year after this one as long as we don't collapse all together but his seat is starting to heat up. He needs to look at himself in the mirror and take blame for the loss.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think this week vs Arky tells us everything.
I really don't think The administration would make a change unless we miss a bowl game. I don't think that the Florida game was make or break till the way we lost to Oklahoma. And then again against Florida.....smh.

If we lose to Arkansas, I suspect the season will be essentially over with losses to GA and Bama right behind. I think the most realistic outcome is 6-6.

 

[Vol Main]

Dobbs played a great game, as a running QB. Let's not forget that, but I also think his inability to stretch the field with passes caught up with him in the fourth quarter. With other QBs on the team and committed, who can make all the throws, I hope Tennessee does not get the reputation for being a team which doesn't play a passing game. I hope limitations of Dobbs and the O-line do not do that to our program and to recruiting. Coach might need to give Dormady some PT.

This is the best Tennessee team I've watched since Fulmer's peak. It is certainly better than Phil's boring teams during his last years, so I do see significant improvement. Butch gets paid to endure the wrath of fans for losing games like OK and FL, because he gets paid to win them. I hope his assistants are good enough. Time is no longer a luxury. I don't think that Butch is on the hot seat, but the heat is on.