CBJ ranked 8th place in SEC

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3015???

I say this writer ranks last!!

Yes, Butch made some mistakes last season. Is he perfect? Not hardly, but show a coach who is perfect!
 
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musolfmj said:
If a team has the overall talent and enough depth to have some fresh legs in the fourth quarter it can impose its will while playing to run off some clock and hold onto a lead.

Last year we weren't quite there. Perhaps this year we will be. I think this whole "gotta keep our foot on the gas and score" thing is a little too simplistic.
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Good point, but this year we should have the depth. Still fair analysis of CBJ, we should have beat FL and OK, no matter how you look at it, those games are on the coaching. Middle of the pack is fair, but there is room up front in the SEC pack, take off the gloves CBJ, claim your spot.
 
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CBJ is adding the author of this article to his "list." Y'all remember when he said that last year about making a list of people who say negative things about him? Haha
 
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May not be the best coach, but I believe he's the best C.E.O. in the conference. I'm not sure X's & O's are his strengths. He can lead and sell a program. He clearly has a vision. That vision is going to continue to attract elite players and coaches. That will translate into wins imo. GBO
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Quality troll job here. :pepper::compute:
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It seems like almost every problem CBJ has had, for several years, was caused by Dooley. No matter what the problem, Many posters point out, CBJ is great, he's just overcoming the 'dooley effect'. Beit chart use, poor calls, etc., 'dooley effect' has often times been, according to Many, the reason. I can't believe, I've been accused of "Quality troll job", just because I've pointed out the 'dooley effect'!!! How many SEC championships do you think we'd have won, had we hired CBJ, instead of dooley to begin with?:p:p:p:good!:
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
U Sports ranked the best and worst SEC coaches 1-14. Muschamp is last. They have Butch at 8th, and are pretty critical of his coaching last season.






Do you agree with his assessment? Think he has Butch too low? Think he is too critical of Butch?

Do you agree with the statement "If he can’t win with this team it’s all on him"?
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Did they use a chart?
 
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seem about right, hopefully he will climb that list this year with some great decisions in tough times.....
 
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I can agree with it, coaches were at fault in the losses as much as players. How much is anybody's opinion. I believe they have learned from the mistakes and will be better for it. Now they may not win every game but the whole team (players and coaches) should be in the hunt for championships from here on out.
 
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I agree mostly agree with the writer's assessment. But I never have understood why CBJ doesn't get any credit for closing out the UGA game. We all harp on the four losses as an example of his inability to "keep his foot on the gas." Yet, we give him no credit for closing out a quality opponent. Either way, I agree that Butch has to improve his in game coaching if Tennessee is going to compete for championships.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
I agree mostly agree with the writer's assessment. But I never have understood why CBJ doesn't get any credit for closing out the UGA game. We all harp on the four losses as an example of his inability to "keep his foot on the gas." Yet, we give him no credit for closing out a quality opponent. Either way, I agree that Butch has to improve his in game coaching if Tennessee is going to compete for championships.
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Yes, thats why I mentioned the losses. Its almost like with some people its CBJ's fault they lose but the players are why UT wins. When actually it's on both players and coaches for both wins and losses.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
I agree mostly agree with the writer's assessment. But I never have understood why CBJ doesn't get any credit for closing out the UGA game. We all harp on the four losses as an example of his inability to "keep his foot on the gas." Yet, we give him no credit for closing out a quality opponent. Either way, I agree that Butch has to improve his in game coaching if Tennessee is going to compete for championships.
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With all due respect Dodger..."credit for closing out the UGA game"?

Georgia started inside their own one yard line, went 72 yards in 12 plays in 1:48 and only didn't have a chance to kick an extra point to tie the game after a TD pass because of a great last second play to tip the ball away from a UGA WR in the endzone by Brian Randolph. We were literally about 3 Brian Randolph fingertips from experiencing yet another late game, 4th quarter collapse that would've required our guys to find a way to win the game in overtime....something we didn't do too well in Neyland a few weeks earlier vs Oklahoma. So, while Butch does get credit for leading the team to a great come from behind win, I think it's beyond a stretch to give him he credit for "closing the game out" since we damn near blew yet another one last year with how we allowed Georgia to pretty much run through our defense and narrowly miss sending the game to OT on that last drive after Daniel had pinned them so deep.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect Dodger..."credit for closing out the UGA game"?

Georgia started inside their own one yard line, went 72 yards in 12 plays in 1:48 and only didn't have a chance to kick an extra point to tie the game after a TD pass because of a great last second play to tip the ball away from a UGA WR in the endzone by Brian Randolph. We were literally about 3 Brian Randolph fingertips from experiencing yet another late game, 4th quarter collapse that would've required our guys to find a way to win the game in overtime....something we didn't do too well in Neyland a few weeks earlier vs Oklahoma. So, while Butch does get credit for leading the team to a great come from behind win, I think it's beyond a stretch to give him he credit for "closing the game out" since we damn near blew yet another one last year with how we allowed Georgia to pretty much run through our defense and narrowly miss sending the game to OT on that last drive after Daniel had pinned them so deep.
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Also people seem to forget on that last play we ran the same D as against UF. Rush 3 drop one into coverage for screen passes or a QB sneak. No QB in their right mind was going to try and run the ball or dump it off in that situation. If we had forced a QB run or a dump off that would have been an easy win for the D. The last thing we wanted was the QB throwing to the end zone. But we put a lineman there so he didn't even consider that pass, UGH! I mean you have a 1st year starter and you don't even try to goad him into taking the easy short completion. Thank god Shoop is here
 
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Not piling on here, but the UGA is the perfect example when things go your team's way. What if Daniels' punt goes into the endzone vs. the 1/2 yard line, etc., etc.

There are a lot of plays that stick out when looking back over a game. Some go your way (UGA) & some don't (UF & OU).
 
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Boca Vol said:
Not piling on here, but the UGA is the perfect example when things go your team's way. What if Daniels' punt goes into the endzone vs. the 1/2 yard line, etc., etc.

There are a lot of plays that stick out when looking back over a game. Some go your way (UGA) & some don't (UF & OU).
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this is kind of how i was thinking about it too. that last second FG against FL missed by what? Maybe a foot right?

we could do the what if game ....well, for a long time around here...:eek:lol:

the bottom line, in any of htose games there are defining moments that either play a role in you winning or losing.

and we have examples of both from last year. when the opportunity presents itself to make play....what happens? that's how games are won and lost. even with the myriad of coaching missteps we had, a play or two here or there....what if......:peace2:
 
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Good comments here VN. I think Jones will prove his worth during that four game stretch run. The guy has to find a way to beat UF!
 
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I would still put him at least in the top half of the SEC coaches...5th or 6th.

People underestimate just how bad UT was just before Butch.
 
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If he wins the conference this season, I could see him flying up to top in the East and only behind Saban and Miles in the conference overall.
 
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His decisions in those games proves this observation to be accurate imo.

Game maxium " put on more steam."

CBJ failed that when he lead those games.

Maybe he is better at playing from behind. Kinda forces you to go full throttle. That he has proved.
 
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Way low imo. Bielema and Mac at UF being ahead is ignorant, not that this all matters tremendously. I didn't want to flip through all the pages to see, but please tell me they didn't have Muschamp, Stoops or the new guy at Mizzou ahead of him. I would take CBJ over a lot of these guys. UGA has a first year guy like Mizzou. I would take CBJ over Freese and Mullins and Malzon and Sumlin...come on guys! This writer hangs out in his parents basement in Nashville playing Dungeons and Dragons!
 
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Personally think this is idiocy at its finest.

There might be 5 other coaches in the entir country that could have built this program from what it was when he got here to what it is now.

We have went from the laughing stock of the SEC to a consensus top 10 in less then 4 years.

Without just a couple mistakes last year, we would have been in the SEC champ game and a top 10 finish if not better. True.. but those couple mistakes do not drop him to 8th in the SEC. There is not a coach in the league who has not made those same mistakes a few times in their career. Can't use them to ignore what he has gotten accomplished.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect Dodger..."credit for closing out the UGA game"?

Georgia started inside their own one yard line, went 72 yards in 12 plays in 1:48 and only didn't have a chance to kick an extra point to tie the game after a TD pass because of a great last second play to tip the ball away from a UGA WR in the endzone by Brian Randolph. We were literally about 3 Brian Randolph fingertips from experiencing yet another late game, 4th quarter collapse that would've required our guys to find a way to win the game in overtime....something we didn't do too well in Neyland a few weeks earlier vs Oklahoma. So, while Butch does get credit for leading the team to a great come from behind win, I think it's beyond a stretch to give him he credit for "closing the game out" since we damn near blew yet another one last year with how we allowed Georgia to pretty much run through our defense and narrowly miss sending the game to OT on that last drive after Daniel had pinned them so deep.
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But in the end CBJ DID close that game out because Randolph DID make a play, something the D failed to do in the UO and UF games.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect Dodger..."credit for closing out the UGA game"?

Georgia started inside their own one yard line, went 72 yards in 12 plays in 1:48 and only didn't have a chance to kick an extra point to tie the game after a TD pass because of a great last second play to tip the ball away from a UGA WR in the endzone by Brian Randolph. We were literally about 3 Brian Randolph fingertips from experiencing yet another late game, 4th quarter collapse that would've required our guys to find a way to win the game in overtime....something we didn't do too well in Neyland a few weeks earlier vs Oklahoma. So, while Butch does get credit for leading the team to a great come from behind win, I think it's beyond a stretch to give him he credit for "closing the game out" since we damn near blew yet another one last year with how we allowed Georgia to pretty much run through our defense and narrowly miss sending the game to OT on that last drive after Daniel had pinned them so deep.
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So when we win a close game all credit to the players and none for the coaches?

When we lose a close game all blame on coaches and none on the players?
 
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