CBJ Coaching Ability

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#101
HoptownVol said:
What difference does it make. Did I say they voted him "3rd best" coach in the league? A little comprehension goes a long way.
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You said they "ranked him the #3 coach in the league".... without specifying, anybody with any sense (that excludes you) reads that as "third best". If I tell you that someone or something is ranked #3, that connotes and/or implies third best. Write what you mean champ.

Also, why the hell am I not on your ignore list? You've put me on the 2 or 3 times now, no? Sack up, be a man of your word and get me back in there ASAP.
 
#102
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KBVol said:
As usual, well said Charger. The jury is still out on Butch being a factor on the sideline that gives us an advantage. I thought he was "that" guy in 2013 with the narrow loss to Georgia and win vs SCar. However, as the embarrassing blowout losses piled up those feelings were somewhat negated....and then the bad loss to Vandy, and we were back to square one IMO.

Fast forward to last year.....no unexpected wins and one bad loss to Florida, so....a lotta headscratching imo. The bowl game matchup and subsequent blowout win was his saving grace entering 2015....he prepared that team to play Iowa like a champ. They should've blown that team out and they did. Well done, advantage swings back in his favor.

Now it's year 3...no more excuses for a 4 touchdown or loss to ANYBODY will suffice. We'll know who we have by January 2016 for sure.
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As usual KB my head is just about where yours is concerning the subject at hand. I've got to think, no inside info claimed so put away the hatchets, Butch knew he had significant offensive issues after that Gator game last year. Ultimately it ate at him and Bajakian out Debord in, no excuse for a Vol team to produce 9 points total at Neyland and lose due to a late TD. Just can't happen, I have to think he matured a lot that day as in gray hairs being sprouted.
 
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#103
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sjt18 said:
You might be right but the situation at USCe wasn't very good. They had actually never really been a sustained winner. Prior to Spurrier winning 10+ three years in a row, USCe had never won 10 or more two years in a row. In fact, they had only won 10 games once in their history. In the 13 years since joining the SEC prior to Spurrier, they were 65-82 with a 37-67 record in conference. They'd never finished higher than 3rd in the East. They had finished last or next to last 4 times.

Not the same situation but in the same range.
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Well, but they would have been a bowl team Holtz's last year if it weren't for that ugly fight with Clemson that made Holtz refuse to take the team to a bowl. And I'm reasonably positive there were OL recruits waiting for Spurrier when he got there--unlike here.
Duke had never been any good either. They were homecoming fodder.
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True, but Duke wasn't playing a huge SEC schedule. Also, when Spurrier got to Florida, the SEC wasn't quite on the same level as it is now. I kind of credit the HBC with elevating the SEC both in recruiting and in level of play.

I think Spurrier will always struggle with Jones also. I think the style match up favors Jones. Jones is an execution focused coach. Spurrier has made a career out of enticing opponents (like Fulmer) into trying to match wits with him. He has always seemed to struggle against coaches that have very disciplined execution.
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CBK just doesn't take the bait. Remember Spurrier burning two consecutive timeouts in the 4th quarter trying to get UT to jump offsides or see their scheme in 2013? And then not having the timeouts to stop the upset? Fulmer and the coaches in the SEC when Spurrier got here always bit on his smarta$$edness. But Jones just lets him be cute and makes him pay for it. I think Spurrier has more respect for UT under Jones than he ever had before.

With all due respect to insiders and observers... I still agree with you. I think very few are actually allowed to see all of the parts working together. That will be a different product than the sum of individual efforts.

Honestly, if they could just teach the OL's to hold. I think we could live with a few more penalties in exchange for better pass pro.
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Agreed again. I'm still very pleased at how many times the offense got the first down during 11 on 11 drills at open practice. Playing against our defense can only make our offensive linemen better.

I hope you are right. I'm ready to see it.

FTR, if you look just at the "potential" of UT's skill players.... it is difficult not to be impressed. There are multiple WR's that would be the #1 target for most CFB teams... and probably most SEC teams. It got a bad reaction from a Mizzou fan when I said it previously but I don't think they have a single guy who could break the top 6 at UT over Croom, Pearson, Smith, Malone, Pig, or North... and then you have Johnson and Williams too.

Moore is a good talent and MU has gotten some practice noise out of a couple of other guys. But IMO all of the 8 guys plus Blanc would either start or be in the top 5 for MU... or USCe.... UK/Vandy without saying... Ark... maybe UF...

It is an embarrassing wealth of talent that needs to start fulfilling its potential.
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Was just arguing with a friend who's an LSU fan about this. Our WR corps should be top three in the nation this year. No reason they shouldn't be. And with Missouri having what this year--1 WR with experience, and that 6 catches? Mizzou would beg for our cheerleaders to join their receiving corps.

Did that sound like a homerism? I'm trying not to do that. :):):)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I'm not one of these people of whom you speak. I look back at what Butch did in previous head coaching jobs and affirm that he can, indeed, coach a good game. I'm confident that we'll see that reaffirmed here, now that he has a boatload of real talent to work with.

But I can repeat to you the perspective of those who aren't convinced. They tend to point to these indicators in their doubt:
  • Not recognizing Dobbs' talent earlier
  • Bad game management and play calling vs Florida in 2014 (and for some, 2013 too)
  • Losses of exceptional # of players from the '13 (and, lesser extent, '14) signing classes
  • Tolerance of Coach Bajakian and his predictable, uninspired play calling for so long
  • Selection of Coach DeBord as OC
That's most of them. There are probably a couple of others I'm forgetting. Not all of these are game-day actions...but the folks who doubt Butch tend to have some combination of game day and broader coaching duty concerns.

Want to reiterate: this is not my point of view. I have faith in Butch's gameday / game week talents.

Go Vols!
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Yeah but coaching in the sec against the best minds in cfb is totally different. He hasn't consistently made the best in game calls. But he has beaten Spurrier twice and I expect a win against the turds this year!!
 
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nashvol1 said:
How many of those games were we simply outmatched due to talent. Bama, GA, OK, Ole Miss, Auburn
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Pretty much all of them. OP wanted reasons why any posters have questions about Butch's coaching ability. Losing all 10 games where he's trailed at the half and 12 of 13 where he's tied or behind at the half are pretty good reasons IMO.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Uh oh. Then I'll be joining you. Some men might be surprised how much some women know about football.

:censored:
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Football sammiches, maybe. :)

i kid. You bring good content and im glad youre posting.
 
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butchna said:
Shut your filthy liberal mouth! :aggressive:
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Have you ever known a liberal to shut their mouth? No? Well, I don't either.

Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Safe assumption, because he has proven to be that ignorant.
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Used to make a fortune off guys who think women can't know sports. Between a ponytail, mascara, and football knowledge I'd make more money off bar bets than I did working. Going to have to move if I want to get that racket going again--these Yankees are on to me.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Have you ever known a liberal to shut their mouth? No? Well, I don't either.



Used to make a fortune off guys who think women can't know sports. Between a ponytail, mascara, and football knowledge I'd make more money off bar bets than I did working. Going to have to move if I want to get that racket going again--these Yankees are on to me.
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Just open up with something like, "Ray Lewis was the best QB of all time," and everything will fall into place.
 
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Too much conservative game management, IMO.

After we had inserted Dobbs against Alabama last year, we really started moving the ball in the 2nd quarter. However we had a game-management breakdown that might have cost us some points.

With 1:09 left in the 1st half, it was 2nd and 5, from the Alabama 15 yard line, following a 9-yard run from Josh Dobbs on 1st & 15 (false start). Tennessee has all three timeouts.

Jalen Hurd runs for 4 yards to set up 3rd & 1. He is tackled with 1:01 remaining on the clock. Tennessee doesn't call timeout until there are :49 seconds left in the half.

On 3rd & 1, and A.J. Johnson took takes a direct snap and runs up the middle for no gain. With Dobbs & Hurd (who had already converted a 3rd & 1 on the previous drive), I don't understand why we think A.J. Johnson is going to do better. He is tackled with :41 seconds left, and it takes a few additional seconds for the pile to become un-piled.

It seemed like Coach Jones knew immediately that he was going to be kicking on 4th & 1 from the 11-yard line, as he had a little chat with the linesman. If you can read lips, he went immediately over to him and told him he was going to call timeout. He hollared to get the ref's attention at :34 seconds, beckoned him over with his finger at :30 seconds, indicates he will call timeout at :25 seconds, and completed the conversation at :22 seconds. At :03 seconds, he leans toward the ref, who is one yard away, and calls our 2nd timeout.

With :35 seconds and two timeouts at our disposal, on the Alabama 10 yard line, I would have liked to have seen us go for it on 4th and 1, or at least try to draw them offsides. If you make the 1st down, the clock stops temporarily to move the chains anyways. If you don't make it, Alabama likely takes a knee at 27-7 on their 10-yard line. Lots of upside, not nearly as much downside.

We had a chance to really put some pressure on Alabama there if we make it 27-14, with the 2nd half kick-off coming to us.

So while I love our coach, this is an example of why some have some questions.
He's not an innovator like Spurrier or Malzahn.
He's not gambler or a risk-taker like Les Miles or Urban Meyer (or even Steve Spurrier -- on the same night we were playing Alabama, he was playing at Auburn, and was successful in going for it on 4th down on five consecutive 4th-down plays).

Coach Jones recruits winners and coaches them up to be winners. No one will out-work our coach. Hopefully we can take a lead into each and every halftime.
 
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#121
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vik said:
Too much conservative game management, IMO.

So while I love our coach, this is an example of why some have some questions.
He's not an innovator like Spurrier or Malzahn.
He's not gambler or a risk-taker like Les Miles or Urban Meyer (or even Steve Spurrier -- on the same night we were playing Alabama, he was playing at Auburn, and was successful in going for it on 4th down on five consecutive 4th-down plays).

Coach Jones recruits winners and coaches them up to be winners. No one will out-work our coach. Hopefully we can take a lead into each and every halftime.
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Before we rule CBJ out as a gambler, recall a fake field goal to a previously unheralded TE for a TD?
 
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