CBJ Coaching Ability

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KBVol said:
Actually 1-12 when tied or losing at half. Was tied with Vandy last year and won the game.

Also, I only counted 11 games that he's led at Tennessee, has gone 9-1....wins vs APSU, WKU, SoAlabama, SCar and Ky in 2013.......wins vs Utah St, Arky St, UTC, SCar and Ky in 2013. Lost to Fla in 2014 after leading 9-0 at half
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Those games are 2014 plus add Iowa and Vanderbilt. 9-1 isn't 11 but that would be piling on atp. :)

Florida game in 2014 was 3-0 at half. Where you getting your stats man? (jk)
 
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Well, to be fair, the OP said that some people felt like "the jury is still out", but then posters began wanting this people to provide examples of "bad" decisions to validate their point. I'd definitely say I am in the jury is still out category, and (to me at least) that means that we still don't know how good he is-so that there may not be enough "bad" or "good" decisions yet to make a determination. We just don't have enough data yet. He's pretty much won when he should have and lost when he should have, with 2013 SCAR and Vandy (and possibly 2014 FL) being outliers.

EDIT: This was a very poor way of saying that I believe the jury is still out, but don't necessarily have a bunch of "bad" decisions to point out. But would like to see those that are so convinced to point out the "good" decisions that have convinced you.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I think the bolded was Ole Miss. But Florida was the game where we were threatening from the 36, and Medley had been dead on all game, and Butch punted. That was a tough one to deal with.
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I agree with this one. Only thing worse was Dooley taking a knee for overtime against Mizzou with time outs and lots of time on the clock, us with the ball. I knew he was toast at that moment. Others knew it well before that.
 
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A ray of sunshine that I see with CBJ, and to me, it's huge: His teams don't fold up the tent like a Dooley team did. Dooley couldn't get any spark - we might have a good first half and then fall apart. The worst was the Kentucky game where everybody gave up, and they beat us with a end converted to QB that knew 3 plays or thereabouts.

South Carolina game last year was an example of that. That, to me, is refreshing and will turn what would have been a CDD loss into a CBJ win.
 
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The difference between a good coach and great one comes down to preparation for your opponent and in game adjustment.

A good coach has his team ready to play,can execute the plays, and instills the desire to win. The great coach does those things plus beats his opponent at strategy.

Steve Spurrier comes to mind when I think of a great coach. What he did with Duke was amazing. He took his players and put in systems that gave them the ability to win. He turned Florida into a powerhouse because of the talent plus his system and then made South Carolina a solid team.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
FL: Agree there were some questionable calls. However, with no OL success, the offense was going to struggle. I do not think losing a close game to an SEC rival (as long as it isn't Vandy or KY) is necessarily indicative of a poor game day coach. Over the years, TN has won some games we should have lost and lost some games we should have won. This happens to all coaches. Do we label CPF as a poor game day coach because he lost to Memphis with Peyton as QB?
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I know CBJ and many fans saw the 2014 UF game as his low point, but Talent/Experience/depth-wise UT should not have been leading in the 4th Qtr.

The 2013 Vandy game was CBJ's worst game management/game preparation coaching effort.
 
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McDad said:
Here's a thread from near the end of last season which may be enlightening regarding how CBJ was/is viewed as a coach.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/230969-terrible-awful-horrible-coaching.html
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Ha! Parts of that thread were very amusing. I particularly enjoyed the Trojan apology letter bit. :)

More seriously, all I saw in that thread, McDad, was some pretty awesome armchair QBing. Each game management decision Butch made in the final 4 minutes of the Mizzou game was absolutely justified by the situation on the field. Without the benefit of slo-motion replays and multiple camera angles, Butch was making reasonable calls that maximized his team's chances of stealing a win from 16 points down. The loss to Mizzou was more a matter of sloppy execution than poor game management/leadership, looked like.

Thanks for pointing the thread out, it was an interesting read.
 
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I wonder if you guys are taking into account how young a coach CBJ really is? This will be what--9th season as a head coach, 6 at mid-majors and his 3rd now in the SEC. Add that to the deplorable state of affairs he inherited here, and what he's done so far with limited talent and an underclassmen-heavy roster is pretty damn good. Has he coached not to lose in the past? Yep. That's what you do when you're an inferior team playing against superior talent.

Game management is something that can rear its huge ugly head at any time. Remember the 2013 game against SC? STEVE SPURRIER, who is considered one of the greatest football coaches all time, made the boneheaded decision to burn--not one but TWO timeouts trying to get our defense to jump offsides on 4th down. When they didn't, he punted, we went down the field, scored and oopsie! SC lost the game. Does that make him a sub-par coach? Not bloody likely. Anytime you face a SC team, you've got to be concerned about what Spurrier can inspire his team to do.

I think this year, we're going to see the REAL CBJ, the one who won conference titles in each 3rd year he coached at previous schools. He knows his team--and it's mostly all his recruited talents on board now--and he's not backing down from the challenge team 119 faces. In fact, he seems to be relishing it, which leads me to believe that he's more than ready to get this team on the field. In the end, though, we're not going to be able to answer the OP's question until the end of November.

As for me, I'm going with CBJ. I think he's going to put us right where we want--and need--to be.
 
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Volview said:
I know CBJ and many fans saw the 2014 UF game as his low point, but Talent/Experience/depth-wise UT should not have been leading in the 4th Qtr.

The 2013 Vandy game was CBJ's worst game management/game preparation coaching effort.
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Flip of the coin for me, both were equally bad. We had full control of the game last year vs Florida until the late 3rd qtr sack/fumble of Worley on what I believe was an ill-advised offensive play call. That play turned the momentum of the game, Florida scored the final 10 points of the game right after, and defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory just like that. As bad (and typical) a loss to Florida as I can ever recall.
 
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KBVol said:
Here's one....he's 0-10 at Tennessee when trailing at halftime.
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A lot of coaches do not have great records when trailing at the half. Then throw in the darth of talent we had in his first season and what talent we did have in season two was barely out of diapers it is going to be hard to come from behind after the half and win. As our talent, depth, and experience level climb, even as this season progresses, it will be easier for the team to overcome being behind at the half.
 
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Souce said:
He did a great job during the USCe game last year.
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Maybe he manag d the clock well but that's it. We had the game completely in hand but he took his foot off the gas way too soon. Meanwhile spurrier continually rolled the dice and came all the way back. Then it took a small miracle for us to get back in it. In fact, the 13 sc game went almost the exact same way. Butch has to adopt a more aggressive approach or it'll be his downfall. In the Florida game last year yards were hard to come by for both teams. Yet twice we drive all the way down inside their 40, only to end up punting in 4th and less than 2 from around the 35. Both punts went into the end zone giving us a net gain of 15 yards. The problem was we had the lead at that point in the game. If butch would just not look at the scoreboard at all he'd be a better coach.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Maybe he manag d the clock well but that's it. We had the game completely in hand but he took his foot off the gas way too soon. Meanwhile spurrier continually rolled the dice and came all the way back. Then it took a small miracle for us to get back in it. In fact, the 13 sc game went almost the exact same way. Butch has to adopt a more aggressive approach or it'll be his downfall. In the Florida game last year yards were hard to come by for both teams. Yet twice we drive all the way down inside their 40, only to end up punting in 4th and less than 2 from around the 35. Both punts went into the end zone giving us a net gain of 15 yards. The problem was we had the lead at that point in the game. If butch would just not look at the scoreboard at all he'd be a better coach.
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So Spurrier out coached him? :huh:
 
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Captain Awesome said:
I've heard a number of people say that the jury is still out for them on whether or not CBJ is a good in-game coach. No one is questioning his recruiting ability (how could they?). But some have said that some calls over the past couple of years have raised concerns for them. Can anyone give me a reason for this? I'm not a huge football mind. I'm not going to be able to say, "We should've been in a 4-4 instead of a nickel." But the overall running of the game I have a pretty good feel for. I thought the fake field goal against Mizzou last year was very gutsy and a great call. However, I do remember a big game (against who I can't remember) where he challenged a call near the end of the game that wasn't close and we needed the timeout at the end and didn't have it and lost. I could see that as his guys up top not getting back to him in time and him making the challenge based off of what he saw. I personally haven't been really taken aback by anything I have seen though. If you're in that camp, what have you seen that makes you feel that way?
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Well it starts with talent. And with the lack of talent Dooley left ( Nobody drafted to the NFL this year) a coach can only do so much with what he has. Butch will take a few more chances now that he has some good players. Things are changing big time on rocky top.
 
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It's amazing how "game management" improves when you have good players. Time will tell because we have good players.
 
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Dooby15 said:
It's amazing how "game management" improves when you have good players. Time will tell because we have good players.
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Meh. Dooley had good players and couldn't manage anything. Then there are coaches at schools that can't recruit with the 'big boys' who win consistently. Look at Pinkel or Gary Patterson as two that come to mind.
 
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Kristy* said:
Meh. Dooley had good players and couldn't manage anything. Then there are coaches at schools that can't recruit with the 'big boys' who win consistently. Look at Pinkel or Gary Patterson as two that come to mind.
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Dooley had good players? We had a few gems in his time but nothing like what is required to win big in the SEC.
 
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Souce said:
He did a great job during the USCe game last year.
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He did a good job of solving the problem that his game plan to "manage the game" created. After there was nothing to lose, UT opened it up and USCe couldn't stop them. Guess what.... USCe couldn't stop them before that either but the game plan was too conservative.
 
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