Canada about to fall apart?

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#177
I wouldn’t let my dog have surgery in Canada. I was with a startup at one time based out of Canada and went up there to watch some surgeries. I couldn’t believe what I was watching. Absolutely barbaric and antiquated techniques.
As far as euthanasia, people should be able to choose for themselves if they are in debilitating pain or headed for a drawn out death, or if they’ve given directive to family before any possible mental instability.
If you haven’t been around hospice, glioblastoma patients and those with so much pain they are medicated 24/7, you’d understand better if you had been
 
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who knows how this stupid ass hate speech law could be used against someone. Mock the messenger and no comment on the law itself which is anti free speech.
 
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utvolpj said:
Good Lord no they didn't
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As long as the scripture quoted can’t be construed as - they do not wilfully promote hatred against an identifiable group?

Either way, seems pretty antithetical to free speech. Though I’m not sure what kinds of protections Canada has for speech. They may be more akin to Britain where speech deemed harmful by the State can be suppressed.

In this country, under our constitution, hate speech is free speech.
 
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85SugarVol said:
As long as the scripture quoted can’t be construed as - they do not wilfully promote hatred against an identifiable group?

Either way, seems pretty antithetical to free speech. Though I’m not sure what kinds of protections Canada has for speech. They may be more akin to Britain where speech deemed harmful by the State can be suppressed.

In this country, under our constitution, hate speech is free speech.
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It's literally says
Canada just criminalized reading the Bible
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Which is not true
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yea, it’s a WTO banger, with a salacious headline. What else is new.

I’m talking about the bill itself, and the language I posted.
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Seriously, can we stop quoting Hercules?

It's slippery but no one else really has the protections on speech like the US. They should but it won't happen

It's why any attempt to limit speech on this country should be spotted down quickly and loudly. See it on this board more and more which tells me a fight is coming
 
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utvolpj said:
Seriously, can we stop quoting Hercules?

It's slippery but no one else really has the protections on speech like the US. They should but it won't happen

It's why any attempt to limit speech on this country should be spotted down quickly and loudly. See it on this board more and more which tells me a fight is coming
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Quoting Hercules? I honestly don’t follow. I’ve only quoted you here.

I agree.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yea, it’s a WTO banger, with a salacious headline. What else is new.

I’m talking about the bill itself, and the language I posted.
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I’m not quite sure where this forum would be without the insightful bangers provided by WTOB.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's literally says

Which is not true
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Lol. You think if some pagan group is offended and they make a complaint, the gov will not side with them? It always starts like this.

I would think that a man of your intellect and wisdom would see that. They have taken the inch and in no time they will take the mile. Anyone who thinks otherwise is completely ignorant
 
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Orangeburst said:
who knows how this stupid ass hate speech law could be used against someone. Mock the messenger and no comment on the law itself which is anti free speech.
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It will only go against Christians. Muslims, hindu, Buddhist will not have this issue
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Maybe Grok can post the actual law that was passed?

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If you read carefully, there is a statement that quoting scripture is not punishable unless…..

Offence requires wilful intent + extreme hatred (detestation/vilification) per Supreme Court. No ban on Bible reading/quoting.


Of course the key question is who decides what a speakers “willfull intent” is? What constitutes “extreme” hatred as opposed to “moderate” hatred?
The standard is vague and wide enough to drive a truck through.
Even if speakers are ultimately cleared, they will have spent maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars on their legal defense.
The law will clearly be used as a threat and will have a widespread chilling effect on free speech.
 
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OHvol40 said:
This literally says at the end “No ban on Bible reading/quoting”. Your original post literally says “Canada just criminalized reading the bible”

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Please see my previous post. Arbitrary and capricious. A judge has no business trying to determine what someone’s “intent” is
 
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OrangeTsar said:
If you read carefully, there is a statement that quoting scripture is not punishable unless…..

Offence requires wilful intent + extreme hatred (detestation/vilification) per Supreme Court. No ban on Bible reading/quoting.


Of course the key question is who decides what a speakers “willfull intent” is? What constitutes “extreme” hatred as opposed to “moderate” hatred?
The standard is vague and wide enough to drive a truck through.
Even if speakers are ultimately cleared, they will have spent maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars on their legal defense.
The law will clearly be used as a threat and will have a widespread chilling effect on free speech.
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The fact that any verse in the Bible can be construed as hate speech is an issue. Whether they like it or not, quoting a Bible verse straight from the Bible is not hate.. it's factual. This will most definitely be used to persecute Christians in the future. Corruption and evil has infiltrated that Country and they want Christianity banned. This is exactly why you don't allow minority groups of radical ideals/lifestyles to gain power, they will try to destroy every single belief, culture, or group that doesn't agree with their ways.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Criminal judges do that literally every day. Congrats on finally learning the concept of mens rea at your big age
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Yes “criminal” judges as you point out. What business does a “criminal” judge have in even thinking about making such a determination regarding free speech and freedom of religion.
Criminal law includes the presumption that certain acts (or in this case speech) might be criminal. The very fact that any nation wishing to be considered free would even contemplate making the quotation of any religious text criminal is anathema to everything we claim to value in a classically liberal society
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yes “criminal” judges as you point out. What business does a “criminal” judge have in even thinking about making such a determination regarding free speech and freedom of religion.
Criminal law includes the presumption that certain acts (or in this case speech) might be criminal. The very fact that any nation wishing to be considered free would even contemplate making the quotation of any religious text criminal is anathema to everything we claim to value in a classically liberal society
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You said judges have no business determining intent. It's literally their job. Judges in all types of cases do it. Feel free to post more word salad as you cope with how dumb your statement was
 
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NashVol11 said:
You said judges have no business determining intent. It's literally their job. Judges in all types of cases do it. Feel free to post more word salad as you cope with how dumb your statement was
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So how would you feel if we passed a law that said it was illegal to criticize Trump if you had ill intent or extreme hatred? Now imagine I was a judge in charge of reviewing your posts here. Would you be comfortable with that?
Free speech means free speech. Period. Intent doesn’t matter; else it isn’t “free”.
 
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allstar34 said:
The fact that any verse in the Bible can be construed as hate speech is an issue. Whether they like it or not, quoting a Bible verse straight from the Bible is not hate.. it's factual. This will most definitely be used to persecute Christians in the future. Corruption and evil has infiltrated that Country and they want Christianity banned. This is exactly why you don't allow minority groups of radical ideals/lifestyles to gain power, they will try to destroy every single belief, culture, or group that doesn't agree with their ways.
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Here’s the interesting question you should ask yourself. Would Canada ever, even in a million years, prosecute a follower of Islam who quoted the Quran to call homosexuality a sin?

We all know the answer to that one don’t we?
 
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