Can Vol fans be logical?

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volsgrad89

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Most of us rant and rave good and bad with emotion. How about a logical approach to all of this? Anyone that has coached for years will understand and should agree.

Unless a proven Head Coach with very probable potential to be a top 5-10 recruiter every year can be hired. In my opinion, Dooley should stay.

Before you thrash me and say how ignorant I am. Please consider some info and be logical. Anyone that is a head coach understands it starts and stops with the head coach. However, you are only as good as your assistants and players!

After watching Dooley's press conference from yesterday. Either Dooley knows is fate is sealed. He is hurting so badly because he knows this team should have turned the corner and won 3 of 4 versus UF, UGA, MSU, and USC. Or, he is emotional about both. He is a person of high character who is passionate about UT, his assistants, and his players!

He didn't throw one single player under the bus yesterday. Instead, he talked about Tiny and others playing their hearts out. He didn't throw Sal and the secondary coach under the bus. Although, he should have.

If Hart was more of the reason Sal was hired, fire Hart. Dooley should get one more year. If Dooley was the primary reason Sal was hired. Dooley took a gamble on an unproven DC and sealed his own fate.
However, Dooley is responsible for the defensive side of the ball and appears to have worked primarily with the offense and special teams.

For years I heard that problems were caused by Majors or Fulmer because they micromanaged their staff. Well, when your team is not performing to their ability. The Head Coach should micromanage their staff to make improvement. If Dooley can't make changes to the D whether Sal likes it or not. Dooley should go whether Hart was the primary reason Sal was hired.
 
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Yeah, logic says that you could probably throw a rock and find a coach who can do better than 0-5 in the SEC, year after year.
 
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There are a lot of elements to being a coach. It is definitely not easy. The great ones can do the following things that Dooley cannot.

1. Motivate the team for an entire game
2. Manage the game
3. Be accountable
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, logic says that you could probably throw a rock and find a coach who can do better than 0-5 in the SEC, year after year.
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If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
 
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It will interesting to see how it plays out. IMO Dooley has not done enough to keep his job. My worry about waiting is that Arkansas and others are going to get a new coach and may get someone we wanted.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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yeah, yeah, and if we had Justin Hunter last year, we would have beaten Florida. It's a new excuse every year. What stays consistent are the losses.
 
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what what said:
There are a lot of elements to being a coach. It is definitely not easy. The great ones can do the following things that Dooley cannot.

1. Motivate the team for an entire game
2. Manage the game
3. Be accountable
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Are you saying Dooley doesn't do this things? How can you not say the team hasn't been motivated and played their hearts out? Although, they didn't play that way in the Bama game. Dooley seems to have managed the game well except challenging the time out that wasn't asked to be given back. Isn't he being accountable by taking blame and not throwing anyone else under the bus?
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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Lots of ifs in your statement, but lets deal with facts. Dooley's problems go back to La Tech not because Sal showed up. His record is all you need to see. Sal wasn't coaching last year when he went 0-5 in the first 5 SEC games and lost to UK.

Also if I remember right Dooley is the one that told Sal to take chances with the D. He asked Wilcox to do the same thing but he refused due to lack of personnel.
 
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Logically, why should Tennessee have won 3 of 4 against Florida, Georgia, Carolina and Mississippi State?
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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If my aunt had a penis...
 
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99gator said:
Logically, why should Tennessee have won 3 of 4 against Florida, Georgia, Carolina and Mississippi State?
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No logic there at all. IMO, we should have beat MS St and S Carolina with any real coach. S Carolina was without RB, DE only playing some downs.

It will be no different next year if DD is allowed to stay
 
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volsgrad89 said:
If the D wasn't one of the worst in the country. This team would be 6-2, 7-1. As stated, if the move to get Sal was primarily on Hart instead of Dooley. Hart should be gone for not letting Dooley bring in a proved DC!
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No :crazy:
 
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I agree with all of you. I was one of the ones that wanted Fulmer to go. It was his time to go. If I had seen the writing on the wall. I wouldn't have wanted Fulmer to leave. I am just saying. If we don't get a proven coach and proven recruiter or a very probably high end recruiter. How do we know next year will be any better with another head coach? Right now, you have to be a top ten recruiter and coach in the country to beat the likes of Spurrier, Saban, and Miles consistently. I don't want UT to make a move. Unless, we get a proven coach that will have the recruits raising their eyebrows (ex. Cowher, Gruden, Tomlin, Petersen, Patterson, Kelly).

Let me repeat, I am all four a major upgrade. However, I don't want an unproven replacement who isn't going to bring in top five classes every year in recruiting. If Thunder and Haslam are willing to spend Saban type money to make this happen. I am all for it. If not, keep Dooley. If Hart was the major reason Sal was hired!
 
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I understand your point. It is just a shame that you can throw a rock and hit a coach with a better record than Dooley's. Am I saying any coach would be better than Dooley? Heck no. But % wise there are a whole lot.
 
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99gator said:
Logically, why should Tennessee have won 3 of 4 against Florida, Georgia, Carolina and Mississippi State?
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I can see the argument of the team's talent versus the team's production.

If Bobby Petrino (I don't like the guy, but just making a point about his coaching ability) had this group of players... we'd have won 3 out of 4.

From a potential standpoint: Bray/Patterson/Hunter. Huge potential between those 3.

From an actual production standpoint: OL/Rivera.

If we had a better Offensive staff with even a mediocre defense we would absolutely have won 3 of those 4 games. Hell, even with bad coaching we almost won 3.

You can't look at UT and say "those coaches are getting the most out of their talent" like you can say with both aTm and MSU.
 
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Vol Karma said:
I think the illogically thing is to think that another year under Dooley is going to be any different.
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Another year under Dooley will not be different. However; I don't think Dooley should go UNLESS we have a "homerun" hire to replace him.
 
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Logic tells me that Tennessee is ranked 12th out of the 14 out of all the SEC. Logic also states that out of those 14 there are six of the SEC are ranked #16 or higher in the SEC at this moment. With the record the last couple of years it will be a major uphill climb for Tennessee to undergo to catch up to the rest of the SEC. Given also that Vanderbilt is now considered one of the top 10 party schools in the nation. It might give Tennessee a little more trouble inside the state on recruiting. I see on the current path it will take Tennessee 5 to 10 years to break even with the rest of the SEC.
 
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beavbullvol said:
LOLOL!!! That cracked me up. Well played, sir, well played!

:)
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Anyway, back on topic, like several I believe if Hart can't bring in a heavy hitter, give Dooley his Senior class.

We don't need a project or another up&comer. We need someone that will stick around for awhile and provide sustainable success. IMO
 
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