Can someone explain the logic

[ecs4dvols]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

 

[TAF]

Nope

 

[West Coast Vol]

The spread comes from Vegas, not the AP. Would be interesting to see a Vegas-based ranking system. Folks actually putting money on the game rank Tennessee about a TD higher.

 

[Golf freak]

Exactly why preseason polls mean nothing.

 

[CascadeVolunteer]

It’s Betting odds. Vegas don’t want to loose. They are controlling where the money goes. Odds making is for betters if that’s your thing

 

[LittleVol]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

Pitt is the defending ACC champions.
They began the season ranked. And now they're 1-0.
Take Tennessee out of the equation.

Their ranking isn't linked to Tennessee's ability. Not until after the game anyways.

They're the favorite because Vegas and other think they're a better team than Pitt.
But that doesn't mean you penalize Pitt by ranking then lower.

 

[TexasVolfan1]

The AP isn’t a true power ranking, never has been.

 

[Special Ed]

 

[utvolpj]

The AP doesn't set betting lines

 

[LadyinOrange]

It’s Betting odds. Vegas don’t want to loose. They are controlling where the money goes. Odds making is for betters if that’s your thing

Lose. Sorry, it's too early in the season to let this go.

 

[VolunteerCeltic]

They want to have ranked teams play with weird storylines....

 

[wmcovol]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

Rankings are simply a small group of peoples (writers or coaches) opinion. Lines are set by the bets placed on the game by the betting public so that the total amount is as close to 50/50 as possible.

 

[MurphyVol]

Win out from here and we'll be ranked really high

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

The answer is really very simple: the AP is more than one person.

In fact, it is more than one office full of people. It is a LOT of offices full of different people, many of whom don't even know most of the others. In other words, the AP is a large organization.

And just as ESPN can have (a) statisticians running the FPI whose results don't seem to have much in common with (b) the talking heads on TV, who in turn don't seem to agree with (c) the writers who fill up their web sites with articles, so too can the AP have folks in different offices coming to different conclusions.

And on top of ALL that, the AP's weekly Top 25 poll isn't even decided by the staff of the AP. It is farmed out (by invitation only) to about 60 different writers and TV personalities who each get to vote. The vast majority of those 60 don't work for the AP at all. AP are just the ones collecting the votes and tallying them up.

So yeah. If you think of the AP as a person, as a single entity with just one brain, you're gonna have trouble understanding things that you see.

Go Vols!

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

The answer is really very simple: the AP is more than one person.

In fact, it is more than one office full of people. It is a LOT of offices full of different people, many of whom don't even know most of the others. In other words, the AP is a large organization.

And just as ESPN can have (a) statisticians running the FPI whose results don't seem to have much in common with (b) the talking heads on TV, who in turn don't seem to agree with (c) the writers who fill up their web sites with articles, so too can the AP have folks in different offices coming to different conclusions.

And on top of ALL that, the AP's weekly Top 25 poll isn't even decided by the staff of the AP. It is farmed out (by invitation only) to about 60 different writers and TV personalities who each get to vote. The vast majority of those 60 don't work for the AP at all. AP are just the ones collecting the votes and tallying them up.

So yeah. If you think of the AP as a person, as a single entity with just one brain, you're gonna have trouble understanding things that you see.

Go Vols!

The answer is;

The polls and the betting lines have nothing to do with each other with regard to who is setting/making them.

The AP = poll
Betting lines = Vegas/bookies

 

[Vol8188]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

The polls are made by sports writer's (idiots). The spread is made by well paid statisticians and computer models in Vegas.

 

[Coddlecreek1]

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[CAVPUT]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

Rankings and betting lines often don't jive. Nothing unusual.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

Pitt beat a better opponent week 1 in W VA and is also coming off an ACC championship. I typically do not pay attention to who is favored in games like these. Those betting lines are created to lure in gamblers. I am assuming the prognosticators or oddsmakers believe we will be a tougher team instead of W VA who had a chance to win but lost on a lucky int at the end of the game. The AP and betting lines are different animals. Hope the Vols bring it on the road. GBO!

 

[sjt18]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

Where has AP issued favorites or predictions?

I think you are confused. The AP may report gambling spreads but they do not create them.

 

[mrmax86]

Exactly why preseason polls mean nothing.

They do and they don’t. Where a team starts in the poll effects how they end up mid-season. If we keep winning, we’d end up ranked lower than if we started off higher.

Meaning if we started 20th we’d be 18th this week. Because we started 26th, we are only 24th. If we beat Pitt, we’ll probably rise to 15th or so. If we started higher, we’d probably be 10th or 11th after this week.

 

[ru4real-really?]

and everybody outside the state of Tennessee is afraid of the Vols!

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The AP has Pitt ranked higher than Tennessee. The game is at Pitt, a higher ranked team, and the AP, who ranked Pitt higher has Tennessee as the favorite.

If the AP has Tennessee as a favorite on the road, shouldn't the Vols be ranked higher than Pitt according to the same AP?

Who cares? Just beat their patootie and make them like it. It's what happens on the field that matters, not AP or other boogeymen/women spout from their facial orifice that matters.

 

[9296potsguy]

I'll give you some logic. One play in the Utah-Florida game is the difference between Florida receiving zero votes in the AP poll and them being ranked 12th overall. That to me is crazy.

 

[Special Ed]

Lose. Sorry, it's too early in the season to let this go.

You forgot to correct betters to bettors.