California Lunacy Thread

[KB5252]

Trump and the right are overstating the riots. Newsome is overstating the capacity in which the National Gaurd is being used.

Newsome created this California mess, Trump couldn't help himself and stepped right into the middle of it.

The left wants you to believe this is all Trump's fault, Trump wants you to believe he can fix this with authoritarianism.

The free thinkers not bound by flawed political ideology know this lies somewhere in the middle. Ice must be allowed to capture, detain and deport violent and otherwise harmful people. They prey on the most vulnerable among the Hispanic and other communities there.

Sending in the Marines is not a good look nor a good fit for any mission involving civilians.



I'm starting to wonder if maybe there aren't enough independent thinkers out there, maybe the fringe on both sides make up the majority now. If that's the case we are all screwed.

 

[LouderVol]

The protests are spreading. New York. Chicago.

This is all caused by Trump.

how was this caused by Trump?

he order up the NG in those cities too?

and I really want to know how Trump got the anti-Trump crowd to do his will enough to say Trump "caused" it.

you aren't responsible for what happens to you, but you are responsible for how you react to it. Meaning Trump is responsible for ICE, but the protestors are responsible for their reactions to ICE. you can't blame Trump for their reactions.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Trump and the right are overstating the riots. Newsome is overstating the capacity in which the National Gaurd is being used.

Newsome created this California mess, Trump couldn't help himself and stepped right into the middle of it.

The left wants you to believe this is all Trump's fault, Trump wants you to believe he can fix this with authoritarianism.

The free thinkers not bound by flawed political ideology know this lies somewhere in the middle. Ice must be allowed to capture, detain and deport violent and otherwise harmful people. They prey on the most vulnerable among the Hispanic and other communities there.

Sending in the Marines is not a good look nor a good fit for any mission involving civilians.



I'm staying to wonder if maybe there aren't enough independent thinkers out there, maybe the fringe on both sides make up the majority now. If that's the case we are all screwed.

I don't agree with Trump's decision to send in the NG, however, it is pretty easy to see that Newsome along with Bass are at greater fault when it comes to the handling of this situation. There is no doubt in my mind that there would be violence, chaos, and looting even if Trump never sent in the NG. Hell, look back at the $ amount of damage in CA with the BLM riots a few years ago.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

how was this caused by Trump?

he order up the NG in those cities too?

and I really want to know how Trump got the anti-Trump crowd to do his will enough to say Trump "caused" it.

you aren't responsible for what happens to you, but you are responsible for how you react to it. Meaning Trump is responsible for ICE, but the protestors are responsible for their reactions to ICE. you can't blame Trump for their reactions.

Solid take my friend.

 

[lawgator1]

how was this caused by Trump?

he order up the NG in those cities too?

and I really want to know how Trump got the anti-Trump crowd to do his will enough to say Trump "caused" it.

you aren't responsible for what happens to you, but you are responsible for how you react to it. Meaning Trump is responsible for ICE, but the protestors are responsible for their reactions to ICE. you can't blame Trump for their reactions.

You left off the final, crucial step, and that is that the protests/riots in LA are no longer about ICE, they are about Trump's insanely obvious political overreaction to the situation over the weekend. And that is the entire source of the protests and any violence anywhere else growing out of this.

This stopped being about ICE on Sunday. This is overwhelmingly now about reacting to Trump sending in the NG and preparing to send in the military when it was completely unnecessary, or at least long after it was necessary.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

You left off the final, crucial step, and that is that the protests/riots in LA are no longer about ICE, they are about Trump's insanely obvious political overreaction to the situation over the weekend. And that is the entire source of the protests and any violence anywhere else growing out of this.

This stopped being about ICE on Sunday. This is overwhelmingly now about reacting to Trump sending in the NG and preparing to send in the military when it was completely unnecessary, or at least long after it was necessary.

Should the proud boys intervene?

 

[Sea Ray]

You left off the final, crucial step, and that is that the protests/riots in LA are no longer about ICE, they are about Trump's insanely obvious political overreaction to the situation over the weekend. And that is the entire source of the protests and any violence anywhere else growing out of this.

This stopped being about ICE on Sunday. This is overwhelmingly now about reacting to Trump sending in the NG and preparing to send in the military when it was completely unnecessary, or at least long after it was necessary.

How do you know all this? Who speaks for rioters and why they're rioting?

 

[Vol since 77]

The protests are spreading. New York. Chicago.

This is all caused by Trump.

 

[hog88]

You left off the final, crucial step, and that is that the protests/riots in LA are no longer about ICE, they are about Trump's insanely obvious political overreaction to the situation over the weekend. And that is the entire source of the protests and any violence anywhere else growing out of this.

This stopped being about ICE on Sunday. This is overwhelmingly now about reacting to Trump sending in the NG and preparing to send in the military when it was completely unnecessary, or at least long after it was necessary.

LOL the No Kings "protests" scheduled for this upcoming weekend were planned well before this past week.

Also the riots in LA are largley the result of people wanting to get in on the action to get their looting on and destroy shizz. I'd bet that 90% of the rioters DGAS about what ICE is doing or that the NG was sent in.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

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That is my GIF Mr. 77. Pay the tolls brotha!

 

[McDad]

You left off the final, crucial step, and that is that the protests/riots in LA are no longer about ICE, they are about Trump's insanely obvious political overreaction to the situation over the weekend. And that is the entire source of the protests and any violence anywhere else growing out of this.

This stopped being about ICE on Sunday. This is overwhelmingly now about reacting to Trump sending in the NG and preparing to send in the military when it was completely unnecessary, or at least long after it was necessary.

Further evidence the systemically stupid and infinitely immature posses no critical thinking skills. Riots bring a response. The response is the NG. Their answer to the response is we're gonna riot harder.

Great work.

 

[lawgator1]

Should the proud boys intervene?

Actually, over the weekend, I was wondering what Kyle Rittenhouse was up to and whether he was going to drive over to, you know, observe and maybe help restore order.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Actually, over the weekend, I was wondering what Kyle Rittenhouse was up to and whether he was going to drive over to, you know, observe and maybe help restore order.

That traitor turned his back on the Orange Trumpet.

 

[OL SMOKEY]

LOL the No Kings "protests" scheduled for this upcoming weekend were planned well before this past week.

Also the riots in LA are largley the result of people wanting to get in on the action to get their looting on and destroy shizz. I'd bet that 90% of the rioters DGAS about what ICE is doing or that the NG was sent in.

This second paragraph sums it up perfectly!!!!

 

[lawgator1]

Further evidence the systemically stupid and infinitely immature posses no critical thinking skills. Riots bring a response. The response is the NG. Their answer to the response is we're gonna riot harder.

Great work.

I'm not saying that the reaction to Trump's entirely calculated overreaction is okay. Violence is never ok for the protestors who thereby turn into rioters and should be then arrested.

I am saying that Trump did what he did to provoke the very response he got. It never had anything to do with protecting ICE, and everything to do with creating a crisis for him to respond to and take credit for resolving. Which is exactly what he has done (or tried to do, anyway).

The more people respond to his antagonizing provocation, the more he likes it.

 

[KB5252]

You left off the final, crucial step, and that is that the protests/riots in LA are no longer about ICE, they are about Trump's insanely obvious political overreaction to the situation over the weekend. And that is the entire source of the protests and any violence anywhere else growing out of this.

This stopped being about ICE on Sunday. This is overwhelmingly now about reacting to Trump sending in the NG and preparing to send in the military when it was completely unnecessary, or at least long after it was necessary.

And you ignore the reason he sent in the national guard.

Hostile California leaders failed to protect and offer relief or assistance to federal agents executing lawful operations in the area. If they failed to cooperate or assist with those federal officers in distress, is it really a bridge too far to determine they may not do enough to ensure the safety of the property and workers in the federal buildings there?

Yes, I think Trump when he sent them there it was a message...... Not to Californians but to their leadership, "you do it or we will." He's authoritarian and extremely flawed. But failed California leadership set the table and served the first course.

The protests were violent before the National Gaurd were called in. When California leadership finally got serious in dealing the the anarchy there things calmed down. But that happened after the National Gaurd was called, not before.

There is plenty of politics being played right now......

 

[hog88]

I'm not saying that the reaction to Trump's entirely calculated overreaction is okay. Violence is never ok for the protestors who thereby turn into rioters and should be then arrested.

I am saying that Trump did what he did to provoke the very response he got. It never had anything to do with protecting ICE, and everything to do with creating a crisis for him to respond to and take credit for resolving. Which is exactly what he has done (or tried to do, anyway).

The more people respond to his antagonizing provocation, the more he likes it.

They were rioting BEFORE the NG was sent in.

 

[lawgator1]

They were rioting BEFORE the NG was sent in.

The logical fallacy you are making is in assuming that any rioting that came after the NG were sent in is traced to the original ICE protest issue. What you are ignoring -- intentionally -- is that the deployment of the NG was needlessly escalatory and directly caused provocation.

And, that is what Trump and evil Miller wanted. They are actively hoping for bloodshed, which will be to the great delight of Ma and Pa Kettle in Arkansas.

 

[hog88]

The logical fallacy you are making is in assuming that any rioting that came after the NG were sent in is traced to the original ICE protest issue. What you are ignoring -- intentionally -- is that the deployment of the NG was needlessly escalatory and directly caused provocation.

And, that is what Trump and evil Miller wanted. They are actively hoping for bloodshed, which will be to the great delight of Ma and Pa Kettle in Arkansas.

I'd love to watch you make that argument in court.

 

[utvolpj]

The logical fallacy you are making is in assuming that any rioting that came after the NG were sent in is traced to the original ICE protest issue. What you are ignoring -- intentionally -- is that the deployment of the NG was needlessly escalatory and directly caused provocation.

And, that is what Trump and evil Miller wanted. They are actively hoping for bloodshed, which will be to the great delight of Ma and Pa Kettle in Arkansas.

Oh the left wants bloodshed as well. Neither care about human life as long as their agenda is advanced

The problem for the left is that they're stuck in a corner backing policies they know are losers. To move away from that would be giving Trump a victory of sorts and they simply can't allow that to happen. They would rather see cities razed before making that admission

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[McDad]

I'm not saying that the reaction to Trump's entirely calculated overreaction is okay. Violence is never ok for the protestors who thereby turn into rioters and should be then arrested.

I am saying that Trump did what he did to provoke the very response he got. It never had anything to do with protecting ICE, and everything to do with creating a crisis for him to respond to and take credit for resolving. Which is exactly what he has done (or tried to do, anyway).

The more people respond to his antagonizing provocation, the more he likes it.

You've been wrong so many times about things that it has become part of your persona on our board. So try not to think so much about stuff. It'll be better for everyone.

 

[FortSanders]

Oh the left wants bloodshed as well. Neither care about human life as long as their agenda is advanced

The problem for the left is that they're stuck in a corner backing policies they know are losers. To move away from that would be giving Trump a victory of sorts and they simply can't allow that to happen. They would rather see cities razed before making that admission

This is why they supported the BLM and Antifa riots, which destroyed billions of dollars of property. These riots and protests are being supported and paid for by local, national and international groups. For that reason, they must be quelled. The lack of law enforcement by democrats created this problem. We cannot have lawlessness in this country.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The logical fallacy you are making is in assuming that any rioting that came after the NG were sent in is traced to the original ICE protest issue. What you are ignoring -- intentionally -- is that the deployment of the NG was needlessly escalatory and directly caused provocation.

And, that is what Trump and evil Miller wanted. They are actively hoping for bloodshed, which will be to the great delight of Ma and Pa Kettle in Arkansas.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

You've been wrong so many times about things that it has become part of your persona on our board. So try not to think so much about stuff. It'll be better for everyone.

Mcdad has gone full blown Dr. Phil today.