California Lunacy Thread

The response by LA local law enforcement was much tougher yesterday than this weekend. Now, there werent as many people vs the weekend but LEOs did look more organized and engaged.

If Newsome wants to sue Trump and have a chance of winning, he has to show that local law enforcement will protect (they dont have to assist or support ICE in any way) federal agents and property.
sure. but that type of response takes time to organize. I would certainly hope our officers are being more efficient than waiting around in sufficient numbers to respond to mob violence at the drop of a hat.

Trump needs to prove that their response was lacking before he should have called in the NG. as you noted LA has increased its response, so I think that will be tough to do.
 
You are under the illusion that Canada has fair elections. In Europe, conservative after conservative are winning elections and the "E.U" comes in and invalidates them. There are no fair elections taking place these days. Every state that had voter picture ID requirements went for Trump BIG. All the rest are still fighting to keep voting unsecured. Voting for change will NEVER work as long as the elections are unsecure. That's just fact.
what states do you think Trump would have won if they had also had the real ID requirement to vote?

would a black or gold star have turned California or NY red?
 
Based on the post that person was implying, Bass was doing something wrong. if she didn't do anything wrong, I don't know even know why she was brought up except to complain about something, or distract.

I have no problem holding her accountable for any actions that are illegal. we don't need the NG kicking in her door to reestablish peace in the area.
I don't know either, that's why I was asking. It sounds awfully close to being illegal if it isn't. Gray area maybe?
 
I think local government conspiring, at least to some extent, with rioters and bad actors, to fight back against a basic tenant of federal law enforcement warrants at least the discussion or debate. To dismiss it outright if problematic.

I'm not saying it's the right way to view it necessarily, I haven't made up my mind yet. Still thinking it through. But just as I find Trump calling in National Gaurd problematic, local officials, lawmakers and even judges working against federal law is a problem.
"when your enemies are being dumb, don't stop them" or something.

there was a right way for Trump to play this. heck he could have just made a press conference stating he is offering to nationalize the california NG if Newsome requests to help with the ongoing strife. Newsome looks like an idiot either way, and Trump is actually doing his job without grandstanding to take more power.
 
They either give the military the means to defend themselves (live rounds) or they don’t. One of these nimrod rioters is not going to miss the opportunity to show just how big a badass he is and take a shot (maybe not literally) and attack the military. When that happens there is a better than average chance a scared or over eager private will send a round down range. That will set off a shizz storm bigger than the Rodney King mess.

Now on the opposite end, if they don’t allow the military a means to defend themselves which IMO that is a bigger leadership failure because that same nimrod is going to get froggy and when the mob finds out the military is out there with no live rounds it will get ugly. In either case you’re sending the military into a no win situation and one most of them are not trained for.

Logical thought process.

Not military but wouldn’t rubber bullets allow them to defend themselves without blood shed?
 
If the governor wants to deploy the NG with shoot to kill orders or the local authorities want to set to cops loose on the rioters, fine. Trump could send in more federal law enforcement to backup the ones there but in no way should the president be federalizing the NG and putting them in a position to fire on civilians.
Serious question, hog. What about Wallace and Alabama in the ‘60s? What would you have supported as appropriate actions? Both state and Federal? Where does Kennedy rank on your list? And I am asking for intelligent comments from a rational poster, not trying to get anyone all stirred up.
 
Logical thought process.

Not military but wouldn’t rubber bullets allow them to defend themselves without blood shed?

Not since there is a good possibility the people they would need to defend themselves from would have real bullets.
 
Serious question, hog. What about Wallace and Alabama in the ‘60s? What would you have supported as appropriate actions? Both state and Federal? Where does Kennedy rank on your list? And I am asking for intelligent comments from a rational poster, not trying to get anyone all stirred up.

I think Wallace was a dirtbag, Johnson (JFK was worm food) should have sent US Marshals instead of federalizing the NG.

But since you asked about Kennedy and what I think about him, he's in the bottom 10% of US presidents. His short administration was a disaster, the only reason he is revered today is because of the Camelot BS and he got killed.
 
I'm not sure where you're going with this observation. Are you suggesting that being caught speeding isn't likely to get you a ticket?
All I’m saying is most of us engage in an illegal activity on a daily basis… by our own choice. Illegal immigrants… most of them are just looking for opportunity. That Trump demonizes them is ****ed up.
 
Logical thought process.

Not military but wouldn’t rubber bullets allow them to defend themselves without blood shed?
I think that would fall under the demarcation of "deterrence" vs actual "defense". Other than the threat of use live rounds are obviously of little use in deterrence but quite effective at stopping an actual threat. Rubber bullets are much more useful and deployable in a deterrence scenario but if things get truly ugly nobody wants to truly defend themselves with them.
 
I think Wallace was a dirtbag, Johnson (JFK was worm food) should have sent US Marshals instead of federalizing the NG.

But since you asked about Kennedy and what I think about him, he's in the bottom 10% of US presidents. His short administration was a disaster, the only reason he is revered today is because of the Camelot BS and he got killed.

I agree with JFK but think he was killed because he was about to do a 180 and pull us from viet nam and was going after the mob.

Total speculation on my part though.
 
All I’m saying is most of us engage in an illegal activity on a daily basis… by our own choice. Illegal immigrants… most of them are just looking for opportunity. That Trump demonizes them is ****ed up.
I understand the assertion but you can't just "unhappen" the illegal part.

We have seriously F'd up the immigration situation and I mean going back for some time. One of the primary reasons this administration gained so much traction with the immigration issue is that the last one had so much of this:

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going on while the then Homeland Security Secretary literally boasted their administration had "rescined so many Trump immigration policies it would take so much time to list them.".
 
Dems: Every J6 protestor is a threat to democracy by stopping Federal activities

Protestors attacking Federal agents and stopping Federal activities.

Dems: It's peaceful protesting; nothing to see here.
Yep, its obvious these marxists want this to happen and support these attacks. You guys vote for the pols that want this to happen. Your fine with this destruction because you hate trump is pure comedy..
 
That's not what I'm saying at all. They should do their job, continue rounding up illegals and deport them. They can even bring in more federal law enforcement officers to help and defend the agents doing the rounding up. Just leave the military out of it.

BUT, yes I do support resisting the federal government even when people are resisting something I might personally support.

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If they haven’t by this time, they NEVER will 🙄
California would continue to vote blue even while the dem candidate was actively kicking them in the crotch.
Not every region of California votes blue. It's mainly LA and SF. The 2 counties I frequent around Lake Tahoe are mostly red, but very few real Trumpers. You won't see any of those idiotic red hats among that Republican dominated area
 
LMAO. Like this hypocrite pos gives a 💩 about our military. Only if it helps him politically.


Trump doesn't care about the guardsmen or the troops. Once they serve the purpose of giving him some good photos for the MAGA crowd, Trump doesn't give a rat's azz whether they are taken care of or are comfortable.
 
Trump doesn't care about the guardsmen or the troops. Once they serve the purpose of giving him some good photos for the MAGA crowd, Trump doesn't give a rat's azz whether they are taken care of or are comfortable.

Comfortability is the top issue when serving and they appreciate your concern. I bet they wish they were in dei training.
 
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