California Bans State Sponsored Travel to 8 States

[m1al]

I'm happy Tennessee made the list...

 

[Burger]

They can't manage their own state yet they want to tell other states how to to goveern and manage themselves. California is a joke. If they were a business they would have folded and went under 10 years ago. They need to get their own house in order, THEN other states might listen.

This crap is hilarious. Its like your homeless/jobless friend giving you life advice. You just smile, shake your head and ignore it.

It's why I left that state.

 

[Burger]

I applaud California's decision and think they should add a few other backward states to the list, including South Carolina, Louisiana and Arkansas, the last having just installed the ten commandments in front of the capitol building. Wait, is it 2017 or 1817? (I'm betting that the commandments will be removed fairly soon as a lawsuit has been filed, and texas tried the same silliness and had to remove the 10 religious rules, which of course belong on private church and not public grounds. Public organizations should not be promoting religion--but the south still hasn't got the message.) Otherwise, California is a progressive state that is leading the way in environmental protection and other pressing issues. Jerry Brown is a smart, forward-thinking politician, and he and others in that state are tired of southern yahoos passing regressive laws aimed at women, gays, the environment, workers, and on and on. I'm betting UCLA and Southern Cal won't shed any tears about not spending a weekend in texas or alabama--or tennessee.

Forward thinking is using a theory that has been proven to be a complete failure. Who knew?
You would love it in Venezuela, where you can't even get a loaf of bread, or Sweden, where you get assaulted by refugees.

 

[hmhawk]

Has anyone here been to California?

It's a complete mess!

Happiness was Cali in my rear view mirror over 40 years ago with discharge in hand. That place hasn't done nothing but go downhill since.

 

[m1al]

I applaud California's decision and think they should add a few other backward states to the list, including South Carolina, Louisiana and Arkansas, the last having just installed the ten commandments in front of the capitol building. Wait, is it 2017 or 1817? (I'm betting that the commandments will be removed fairly soon as a lawsuit has been filed, and texas tried the same silliness and had to remove the 10 religious rules, which of course belong on private church and not public grounds. Public organizations should not be promoting religion--but the south still hasn't got the message.) Otherwise, California is a progressive state that is leading the way in environmental protection and other pressing issues. Jerry Brown is a smart, forward-thinking politician, and he and others in that state are tired of southern yahoos passing regressive laws aimed at women, gays, the environment, workers, and on and on. I'm betting UCLA and Southern Cal won't shed any tears about not spending a weekend in texas or alabama--or tennessee.

You're kidding, right?

Jerry Brown is a smart, forward-thinking politician

This nugget made me laugh, hard...

 

[TennFan]

Jerry Brown is only hurting the state of California. Are they going to stop people from certain states from visiting California? How are they going to know? Can't fix stupid!

 

[onevol74]

Jerry Brown is only hurting the state of California. Are they going to stop people from certain states from visiting California? How are they going to know? Can't fix stupid!

It is pretty easy when sensible people avoid California in the first place. Only the senseless live there.

 

[Grand Vol]

You need to stay in the PF and quit regurgitating your hate for the South in every forum.

No, you can keep him.

 

[VOLatile]

Brownouts, no water, crumbling infrastructure, ego maniiacs (actors) who think their opinion means squat because they are famous, gang violence, and unchecked illegal immigration... No thank you..

So pretty much like the rest of the US with the addition of brownouts?

 

[Burger]

So pretty much like the rest of the US with the addition of brownouts?

Just multiply it by 10 in CA.

 

[UT_Alex]

OR ... Just MAYBE.... these states could stop passing antiquated, bigoted laws and join the rest of the world (well except theocracies like Iran, and Saudi Arabia, etc who think totalitarian state sanctioned bigotry is ok) and start acting like its post 2010 and not the 1800s. Besides, what does California get from any of those states? Better players come out of CA anyway. They could go poach players in FL, GA, VA. There is nothing CA need from those 8 states. They lose NOTHING by not travelling there. However, those 8 states NEED CA - BAD!

 

[UT_Alex]

No doubt you are entitled to your opinion on what constitutes separation of church and state. But for you to imply that the state of California is leading the country in anything other than loony actors, is a stretch.

California's disastrous state leadership is only overshadowed by the meltdown that was Illinois and potentially Connecticut.

Here's hoping the 8 states double down on their resolutions and force the California schools to stay in their own sandbox.

Except CA "disastrous" leadership has made it the 6th largest economy in the world. It is the leader in technology, education, renewable energy, yes - some "looney actors". But you see CA is leading the country into a better future. Why on earth would you want to stay living in the 1800's? Name me one thing TN, AL, MS, etc lead the nation in. One! Its nothing. Further, there is no opinion on separation of church and state. Church teaching, ideas, laws, etc stay out of government. I dont care that people want to blur those lines. Its separate or its mingled - cant be a little bit. If these states would join the 21st century and not pass bigoted laws, then maybe, there wouldnt be issues. Maybe, its not ok to discriminate based on color, religion, sexuality. My source for that is the constitution. My other source is that Bible everyone is so fond of around here, but only use it to find a reason to discriminate instead of getting its message - Love one another, forgive, help each other. What a country, sports and crazy laws and all, we'd have if we just loved and cared for each other, even if we disagree.

Its also amazing how an article about one state's law gets everyone so angry and ready to force CA to leave the US. The trope that you're not a "real" American unless your rom the heartland is old and false. America includes us all. Go sing the song "this land is your land" Cities, farms, rural and urban, republican & dem, liberal and conservative, young, old, immigrant, etc. Its all of us. To think otherwise is un-American. Freedom of speech, of religion (or no religion), free press, etc.

Lets keep all this off here and talk sports. But if we need to bring it here, realize what being American is about. Its not just your way of thinking

 

[UT_Alex]

So why is another state trying to force their laws and opinions on another state? What's next? Are they gonna go totally nut job liberal like Antifa and try and use force to to impose their views and laws on other states?

And all those corporations backing this.. they may not like the laws in those states but I bet they sure enjoy the dollars those poor backward folks spend for their products.

The politicians of the state of California need to STFU and let the people decide whether or not to visit or do business in those states.

That's the problem nowadays.. the government is trying to legislate every decision for us.. like a bunch of sheep. What has happened to folks? Having a back bone and making decisions for themselves? I don't need the government telling me where to go, where and how to spend my money. It's starting at a state funding level but give it a few years and those nuts will wanna close their borders (to everyone but Mexico) and you will need a passport to get in.

The world is going to ****..

First given your response, its not clear decision making is best.

Second, being a liberal is not being a nut job. It is a perfectly reasonable position. Not everyone needs to think like you. Constitution grants free speech and free expression. You can disagree without being disagreeable. Why such hate toward liberal anyway?

Third, you obviously have not read decree passed by CA. It affects state officials and using state money (CA tax payer money) to travel to 8 states that have passed laws that are discriminatory and bigoted. These laws do not uphold who we are as a people - freedom of speech, and belief - the statue of Liberty stands for these values welcoming all. So we are prevented from passing laws that are discriminatory in nature. CA is making sure that they are upholding those values. They are NOT forcing any state to do anything. Those 8 states can keep those ignorant laws. CA will just not pay for state employees to travel there. This rule does NOT affect private businesses. AT ALL!!

Fourth - there are no corporations "backing" this. Some corporations support this and so choose to follow the same rule. However, they really care little about the $ coming from those states. You know why? Because CA is the 6th largest economy in the world. If you add Oregon and Washington, they are the 5th largest in the world. They account for more profit for the US than 16-17 states combined. That also means they pay more taxes (over $400 million) that support federal programs. And which states depend most on federal handouts? Surprise - Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, etc. Why is it the folks who want the government to have the least say, take more $ and services from the government? Why are their state's economy suffering while the "liberal, snowflakes, whatever else you call them" are thriving?

How many times have you been to CA? You obviously have little grasp on the reality of life there. You have shown you dont understand this topic, you dont understand American politics and what the constitution protects, namely different opinions and ways of life, you dont understand immigration.

Sorry for the long rant but, after reading yet another post that shows no grasp of the situation I lost my patience. Like I said in another post, there is more to life than football. If Google, Apple, Facebook, Oracle, Ebay, PayPal, Adobe, etc lost ALL their business in these 8 states, given their global footprint, they'd be just fine. If those 8 states lost the ability to do business with those companies, they'd be screwed. That is reality

 

[UT_Alex]

What's your issue with the South? You somehow manage to insert a hate of the South into every topic of conversation. If you're not from here but chose to come to school down here, why? If you're from here and wanted to get out so bad, why did you choose to stay here for school? If you're not from here and didn't go to school down here then why follow UT and hang around a message board full of backwards southerners?

The south does not own patriotism nor does it define "real" America. You may believe it, but its false, just like a great many of your beliefs. I can be a UT alum and fan and come to this site to get information about my school. GO read the posts on here. If any bias exists, its anti-liberal/left. I come here for sports, not to argue politics with people who have little to no grasp on reality. They spout conservative talking points like they are fact. It makes my head head explode too.

The whole idea, well if aint aint from here, then dont come round here, crap is a bunch of BS. Ive lived in NY & CA - 2 of the bluest states. I've lived in TN & UT - 2 red states. I've lived in FL - very red where I lived. You know the difference though? I've never heard a NYer say to a southerner to go back where he came from. I've never heard a Californian ask someone why they're here, or imply they aren't wanted. They might think you're an ignorant, knuckle dragging bigot, but they're not going to say it. They probably wont even notice you if you just go with the flow. NY, CHI, SF, LA - it doesnt matter if you're white, asian, black, spanish, gay, straight, etc. You can be whatever you want to be. Just dont be a jerk. But in the South its not that way. You either fit in, learn to fit in, or you need to go.

This is why there is a push back. Anyone with a liberal, or even just open mind and opinion on here is ridiculed. Any push back is met with ire.

I think we just want to invite everyone to join us in the 21 century and leave the divisions, and bigotry, and sexism, homophobia, etc behind. Bury the hate for the liberal and instead embrace an exchange of ideas. Learn something

 

[UT_Alex]

Off topic, but don't completely blame the agriculture side for the water issues. It's true, almonds are one of the most inefficient users of water when it comes to fruit and nut trees, but those guys have had to pull up a lot of orchards in order to devote scarce water resources to other crops. The drought they were in is the predominant cause but was compounded by devoting the limited water they had to the protection of some worthless minnow rather than sending it to needed farmland and households.

Your assessment is false.
The type of flood irrigation engaged in by the Almond growers is the least efficient means of irrigation. Further most of the almond groves are in the central valley and are in the desert. Having to pipe water to them also strains resources. They also have 1000s of acres of rice fields growing near Sacramento - also desert and also needing constant irrigation.

Go read Cadillac Desert by Marc Reisner. This is a very complex issue, only some if stemming from irrigation. Some of it stems from 100s year old water rights granted to families.

It also had to do with no real rain and worse not much snow in the Sierras. I think in 5 years it rained more than a passing 15 minute shower 2 times in the south bay. This year, so much rain and snow it almost fixed the drought completely. It will take another couple years like this past one to get it on track fully.

There is also the climate change that adds to it. When you realize that there has been a gradual heating and drying of CA for 15 years, only 2-3 el nino, pineapple express weather systems over that time, its all cumulative.

One thing that is it NOT about, is saving some fish. Although, conservation of our planet and species should be of primary concern. It thins case it played little role.

Please go read the book

 

[UT_Alex]

Great post. What's funny is the irony of his post or their kind of thinking. He's calling out states he doesn't live in about the Ten Commandments being at a building just as California would yet there's millions without water there. They need to worry about their own dumbazz self and citizens.

This is false. 100% False. California has more brilliant minds in Silicon Valley than most states have in their entire state. There is a reason all the tech companies are there. Further, who gives a rats azz about the 10 commandments. Tell me what other things do you follow that were done 1000's of years ago? Not eat shellfish, or pork? Do you still slaughter animals to atone for sins? Do you gamble? smoke? Do you love all men and women, liberals, gays, etc from your heart? guess you got some reading to do. Dumbazz.

PS - The Nazis had the 10 commandments posted on the court building where they passed the Nuremberg Laws to take rights away from Jew, cripples, gays, etc.

Learn from History - dont repeat it

 

[UT_Alex]

Unrelated story but I'm sure armchair loves the progressiveness and supports this whole heartedly.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/3...over-sanctuary-law-violation-lawyer-says.html

100% false story. You all really need to get outside you Fox-propaganda bubble. OMG. How Ignorant.

 

[UT_Alex]

I do. What's the point in having a law on the books if you're not going to follow it?

Yeah, like the constitution, or voting rights act, or roe v wade, or marriage equality....I mean whats the point of having these laws if conservatives are just going to ignore them and pass laws on the state level to try to et around them and keep trying to relitigate them in courts. Why have laws on the books at all. Best point of this thread.:banghead2:

 

[UT_Alex]

Would t matter to souther cal and your beloved Jerry Brown is also taking state funded trips to China who outlaws and jails homosexuals so it's all just a bunch of bs

Like Saudi Arabia? Russia?

Idiot, he's going to work with the real leaders of the world, including China on creating jobs, especially green energy jobs, so CA, and hopefully the US can be the world leader in future energy programs, not letting China take over as the leader we are trying to catch up because some folks decided they dont like progress, they want to worry about 70k coal jobs and pipeline that will create less than 10k jobs. its called having a vision for the future of the country, not holding onto the past.

You either progress or you fall behind. The world will not stop for us. JB sees it, knows it, and so do other governors and tech companies, including Exxon who is investing billions in biofuel. Jerry is leading here too.

 

[UT_Alex]

Why the fear of the 10 commandments? If you don't believe in God they shouldn't bother you one iota.

Not a fear - they dont belong in government. Goverment represents all people, not just christians or people of a faith. It represents, Sihks, Ba'hai, Muslim, Jewish, Atheists, etc. To have a "christian" icon on the building that is supposed to be secular violates the ideals of our democracy.

There is to be a separation between the two for a reason. Our laws in the US are NOT based on the bible. They are based the Magna Carta and the philosophical writings of people such as Montesquieu, John Locke, David Hume, Plutarch, Cicero, Thomas Hobbes, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Alexander Pope, John Milton, Tacitus and Voltaire. No Bible. In some Federalist writings you might see St. Paul quoted, to grant that point. But, no 10 commandments, no Jesus, no nothing.

 

[Burger]

OR ... Just MAYBE.... these states could stop passing antiquated, bigoted laws and join the rest of the world (well except theocracies like Iran, and Saudi Arabia, etc who think totalitarian state sanctioned bigotry is ok) and start acting like its post 2010 and not the 1800s. Besides, what does California get from any of those states? Better players come out of CA anyway. They could go poach players in FL, GA, VA. There is nothing CA need from those 8 states. They lose NOTHING by not travelling there. However, those 8 states NEED CA - BAD!

California buys a lot of it's power from Texas.... Before they started buying power, the state would have rolling black outs.

 

[Burger]

Like Saudi Arabia? Russia?

Idiot, he's going to work with the real leaders of the world, including China on creating jobs, especially green energy jobs, so CA, and hopefully the US can be the world leader in future energy programs, not letting China take over as the leader we are trying to catch up because some folks decided they dont like progress, they want to worry about 70k coal jobs and pipeline that will create less than 10k jobs. its called having a vision for the future of the country, not holding onto the past.

You either progress or you fall behind. The world will not stop for us. JB sees it, knows it, and so do other governors and tech companies, including Exxon who is investing billions in biofuel. Jerry is leading here too.

Who do you think the most wind turbines in the country ( hint, not California )? Even us red folks are focused on energy independence. We should be using all sources of energy instead of restraining ourselves.
Also, California needs to worry about keeping their own jobs, as Texas, Florida and Tennessee are poaching companies and millionaires from that state.

 

[Burger]

The south does not own patriotism nor does it define "real" America. You may believe it, but its false, just like a great many of your beliefs. I can be a UT alum and fan and come to this site to get information about my school. GO read the posts on here. If any bias exists, its anti-liberal/left. I come here for sports, not to argue politics with people who have little to no grasp on reality. They spout conservative talking points like they are fact. It makes my head head explode too.

The whole idea, well if aint aint from here, then dont come round here, crap is a bunch of BS. Ive lived in NY & CA - 2 of the bluest states. I've lived in TN & UT - 2 red states. I've lived in FL - very red where I lived. You know the difference though? I've never heard a NYer say to a southerner to go back where he came from. I've never heard a Californian ask someone why they're here, or imply they aren't wanted. They might think you're an ignorant, knuckle dragging bigot, but they're not going to say it. They probably wont even notice you if you just go with the flow. NY, CHI, SF, LA - it doesnt matter if you're white, asian, black, spanish, gay, straight, etc. You can be whatever you want to be. Just dont be a jerk. But in the South its not that way. You either fit in, learn to fit in, or you need to go.

This is why there is a push back. Anyone with a liberal, or even just open mind and opinion on here is ridiculed. Any push back is met with ire.

I think we just want to invite everyone to join us in the 21 century and leave the divisions, and bigotry, and sexism, homophobia, etc behind. Bury the hate for the liberal and instead embrace an exchange of ideas. Learn something

You know it was the Democratic Party who is started the whole division of bigotry, sexism, and homophobia right? After the first mixed president, race relations are at a 40 year low.

 

[GVF]

Except CA "disastrous" leadership has made it the 6th largest economy in the world. It is the leader in technology, education, renewable energy, yes - some "looney actors". But you see CA is leading the country into a better future. Why on earth would you want to stay living in the 1800's? Name me one thing TN, AL, MS, etc lead the nation in. One! Its nothing. Further, there is no opinion on separation of church and state. Church teaching, ideas, laws, etc stay out of government. I dont care that people want to blur those lines. Its separate or its mingled - cant be a little bit. If these states would join the 21st century and not pass bigoted laws, then maybe, there wouldnt be issues. Maybe, its not ok to discriminate based on color, religion, sexuality. My source for that is the constitution. My other source is that Bible everyone is so fond of around here, but only use it to find a reason to discriminate instead of getting its message - Love one another, forgive, help each other. What a country, sports and crazy laws and all, we'd have if we just loved and cared for each other, even if we disagree.

Its also amazing how an article about one state's law gets everyone so angry and ready to force CA to leave the US. The trope that you're not a "real" American unless your rom the heartland is old and false. America includes us all. Go sing the song "this land is your land" Cities, farms, rural and urban, republican & dem, liberal and conservative, young, old, immigrant, etc. Its all of us. To think otherwise is un-American. Freedom of speech, of religion (or no religion), free press, etc.

Lets keep all this off here and talk sports. But if we need to bring it here, realize what being American is about. Its not just your way of thinking

And it is that exact same hypocritical leadership of that liberal cesspool (aka Cali), that also traveled to China to establish its own trade with a bigoted country toward gays far worse than any state in the US. And, NO, none of us NEED California.

 

[GVF]

Not a fear - they dont belong in government. Goverment represents all people, not just christians or people of a faith. It represents, Sihks, Ba'hai, Muslim, Jewish, Atheists, etc. To have a "christian" icon on the building that is supposed to be secular violates the ideals of our democracy.

There is to be a separation between the two for a reason. Our laws in the US are NOT based on the bible. They are based the Magna Carta and the philosophical writings of people such as Montesquieu, John Locke, David Hume, Plutarch, Cicero, Thomas Hobbes, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Alexander Pope, John Milton, Tacitus and Voltaire. No Bible. In some Federalist writings you might see St. Paul quoted, to grant that point. But, no 10 commandments, no Jesus, no nothing.

Yet, Godless civilizations that separated God out of government, like the roman empire, is who we aspire to be. Moral decay from within. Well on our way.

FYI...Our constitution may have provided for separation of church and state, but it was not intended for libs to carve God out of government and country. It was designed to provide for a country and government that was not ruled by a centralized state religion, such as was happening in England. There is much Christian influence in the writings and declarations within our constitution.