Calexit!

As I said, it's an exaggeration to the point of lies. Let's see what the metrics are when the Californians have to apply for visas to immigrate here and reap the benefit of our lower cost of living. And they all stick around in N. Mexico Lite to grow old, increase their socialized medical costs, and support their retirees at home.

Arm wave all you want. Getting back .99 of every federal tax dollar while exporting their old folks is a pretty good deal. It's not quite the picture you initially painted, now is it?

It doesn't seem much like paying for Mississippi's crap-fest. It sounds like they are breaking even while sending some of that overhead out of state.

Neither you nor I know the true numbers, so I'd say your spin is every bit as bad as mine. The article assumes that all these retirees would make it a break even proposition without a bit of evidence to support that assertion other than Cali has a younger population so it must be true. There is also no support that Cali is shipping out retirees in that article.
 
Neither you nor I know the true numbers, so I'd say your spin is every bit as bad as mine. The article assumes that all these retirees would make it a break even proposition without a bit of evidence to support that assertion other than Cali has a younger population so it must be true. There is also no support that Cali is shipping out retirees in that article.

That sounds amazingly like an admission that your initial attack on the south, and defense of Cal, came out of your nether regions. Again... It's sounding more and more like you've been trolling the board in this thread.

Next time, you may want to just keep quiet as opposed to purposefully napalming southerners with what you just admitted was a baseless spin.
 
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even if Cali pays out more than the rest, they are the most populated. I would be very shocked if Mississippi actually got anywhere close to as many federal dollars as California does.
 
That sounds amazingly like an admission that your initial attack on the south, and defense of Cal, came out of your nether regions. Again... It's sounding more and more like you've been trolling the board in this thread.

Next time, you may want to just keep quiet as opposed to purposefully napalming southerners with what you just admitted was a baseless spin.

No, the attack was based upon a bunch of people asserting good riddance attitude about Cali leaving. It is a stupid shortsighted position to take. I have lived in California and, honestly, bar none it is, outside of its politics, a fantastic place to live. It has great beaches, fantastic history, gorgeous parks, mountains for skiing, desert areas for motorcycle riding and just the best climate of anywhere on earth. And it's economy greatly benefits the US

My claim is not baseless. The south takes in far more than it gives when it comes to federal tax dollars meaning that it is a net drain on the country. The same cannot be said for California. Your assertion that they are "shipping out retirees" is at best unsupported and at worst an outright lie.
 
No, the attack was based upon a bunch of people asserting good riddance attitude about Cali leaving. It is a stupid shortsighted position to take. I have lived in California and, honestly, bar none it is, outside of its politics, a fantastic place to live. It has great beaches, fantastic history, gorgeous parks, mountains for skiing, desert areas for motorcycle riding and just the best climate of anywhere on earth.

My claim is not baseless. The south takes in far more than it gives when it comes to federal tax dollars meaning that it is a net drain on the country. The same cannot be said for California. Your assertion that they are "shipping out retirees" is at best unsupported and at worst an outright lie.

The numbers show that Cal is at best break even in federal return for their tax dollars. You completely misrepresented the situation. I am not arguing that Mississippi, Alabama, etc are awesome. I'm saying you're way off base to claim Cal has much effect on subsidizing them. The most recent math says not.

California is a beautiful place. Too bad about the leadership problem you mentioned. Without that problem and its results, we probably wouldn't say, "Good riddance", now would we, do ya think?

Feel free to move before they secede so you don't have the immigration hassle to deal with. We'll be just fine.
 
The numbers show that Cal is at best break even in federal return for their tax dollars. You completely misrepresented the situation. I am not arguing that Mississippi, Alabama, etc are awesome. I'm saying you're way off base to claim Cal has much effect on subsidizing them. The most recent math says not.

California is a beautiful place. Too bad about the leadership problem you mentioned. Without that problem and its results, we probably wouldn't say, "Good riddance", now would we, do ya think?

Feel free to move before they secede so you don't have the immigration hassle to deal with. We'll be just fine.

Again, you are misrepresenting what the numbers show. You have made a big assumption and are now assuming it to be gospel.
 
Again, you are misrepresenting what the numbers show. You have made a big assumption and are now assuming it to be gospel.

No. I am not. I have wiped the assumptions away. The article referenced a 2017 study that figured Cal's return on taxes without the fake numbers and assumption of a balanced federal budget that the 2007 study used. The 2017 study found a $.99 on the dollar return. I'm rounding that to basically break even. And the population age is not an assumption. In a closed environment, a percentage of population age would be very, very similar, depending on life expectancy in the closed environments. The very fact that Cal has such a young population is proof positive that they are losing their elderly to other places.

So... 99% return and an almost ironclad fact that they are exporting people who no longer produce, and take tax dollars.

You're the one that admitted to assumptions and spin.

Have fun surfing in N Mexico Lite. Beware the cartels. We'll be fine without all of you.
 
No. I am not. I have wiped the assumptions away. The article referenced a 2017 study that figured Cal's return on taxes without the fake numbers and assumption of a balanced federal budget that the 2007 study used. The 2017 study found a $.99 on the dollar return. I'm rounding that to basically break even. And the population age is not an assumption. In a closed environment, a percentage of population age would be very, very similar, depending on life expectancy in the closed environments. The very fact that Cal has such a young population is proof positive that they are losing their elderly to other places.

So... 99% return and an almost ironclad fact that they are exporting people who no longer produce, and take tax dollars.

You're the one that admitted to assumptions and spin.

Have fun surfing in N Mexico Lite. Beware the cartels. We'll be fine without all of you.

Have you looked at the 2007 study or are you simply assuming the person that wrote article you linked got it right? Is the birthrate in Cali similar to the rest of the country or are you making an assumption? Are the people leaving Cali retirement age or are they leaving prior and contributing elsewhere? Are the people immigrating to Cali younger or older than other states or are you making an assumption? There are lots of variables in the age of a population.

Get off your soapbox and admit you are making a ton of assumptions.
 
Sorry, CWV. I did make an assumption--that it's just the old folks leaving California. It's also the poorer since they can't afford rent in California's cost of living.

So, they are exporting their poor and crowing about not needing as much welfare help from the federal gov't.

Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers

Let's send them off good riddance and not let poor Californians immigrate to the US. See how they fare.
 
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Have you looked at the 2007 study or are you simply assuming the person that wrote article you linked got it right? Is the birthrate in Cali similar to the rest of the country or are you making an assumption? Are the people leaving Cali retirement age or are they leaving prior and contributing elsewhere? Are the people immigrating to Cali younger or older than other states or are you making an assumption? There are lots of variables in the age of a population.

Get off your soapbox and admit you are making a ton of assumptions.

Have you looked at the 2007 study? Have you looked at the 2017 study he referenced at .99? You want to reference your BS numbers and get twisted when I reference articles?

Of course I'm making some assumptions, but they are pretty good ones. You just want the opportunity to talk out of you * about the situation and not get called out.

This is your argument, counselor. You can go back and admit to being full of * and apologize any time you want.
 
Please have them leave their political opinions behind.

No. You misread, I think. California will become a nation of its own (before being invaded by Mexico). We will refuse inbound immigration from the great nation of Californication. As a State, they seem to be exporting lots of poor people because poor people can't afford to live in their utopia. Once that outflow is halted, let's see what the great liberal economy can do.
 
No. You misread, I think. California will become a nation of its own (before being invaded by Mexico). We will refuse inbound immigration from the great nation of Californication. As a State, they seem to be exporting lots of poor people because poor people can't afford to live in their utopia. Once that outflow is halted, let's see what the great liberal economy can do.

So... build that wall?
 
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Sorry, CWV. I did make an assumption--that it's just the old folks leaving California. It's also the poorer since they can't afford rent in California's cost of living.

So, they are exporting their poor and crowing about not needing as much welfare help from the federal gov't.

Californians fed up with housing costs and taxes are fleeing state in big numbers

Let's send them off good riddance and not let poor Californians immigrate to the US. See how they fare.

You're quite the arrogant prick this morning.
 
That's filthy rich. Lol

I'm still trying to figure out how I'm arrogant for pointing out the problems with his southern slur. He slurs the south because the south lives in poverty that needs federal assistance. He claims CA is paying for the slobbery, incapable, poor southerners. But it turns out that CA is actually exporting its poor because they can't afford to live there. The leftist policy has both created and disenfranchised the poor element to such an extent that they can't stay.

That is perhaps the worst indictment I can think to CWV's initial argument that I can imagine--much worse than anything I could have thought when I started looking into it.
 
Point is, California will be a cesspool of unimaginable crappiness if it were possible that this was a reality.

Let it go guys, not going to happen, and if it did, it ends very, very badly for the former state known as California.
 
There you go again making the assumption that their economy wouldn’t take a massive hit.

I'm sure they will find some "free Trade" partners around the world. What country wouldn't want to trade with the 6th largest economy in the world?
 
Would they be the 6th largest as an independent nation?

It’s actually ludicrous to assume a majority of their highly productive population and earners and those companies will stay and lose their citizenship.

Kalexico: we’ll just grant dual citizenship then you can stay! Yay!

US: no you won’t. And btw here is your water bill. Terms are net 30 days or we turn the spigot off.

My bet is they would be Venezuela 2.0. And their current leadership aligns well with those views.
 
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