Cade Mays CLEARED by NCAA

[unfrozencvmanvol]

What? The rules were bent in 2016 for Mo Smith. The commish has ULTIMATE power to grant eligibility if he wishes. As he said at the time of Mo Smith's case, extenuating circumstances can overrule the current bylaws. Well...a d*** pandemic and a lawsuit creating a negative academic environment for a student-athlete would seem to be the one time to justify it.

It's an ncaa rule too...that is why there are waivers and people to review them.

Maurice Smith was a grad transfer though.

 

[Devo182]

Of course they also have a rule on the number of conference games.

And when games begin and end, and OH ELIGIBILITY COUNTING, and SENIORS COUNTING AGAINST THE 85...all made exceptions for a pandemic...now he wants to hide behind current rules when he did NOT when a kid was transferring to UGA in 2016 during a completely normal time. Very convenient how he picks and chooses.

 

[Devo182]

Maurice Smith was a grad transfer though.

I know and it is completely irrelevant to the point. The rule in 2016 was NO ONE could be immediately eligible within the conference. That was the rule and he overruled it at the time. One-time transfers are on the brink of happening anyway....months away. Sankey overruled the bylaws in 2016 and the sec didn't even change the grad transfer rule for TWO more whole years.


His reasoning holds zero weight when he broke rule in the past. He cannot hide behind this "absolute law of the land" reasoning now.

 

[Tnphil]

Nope. Wasn't that way in 2016. Isn't that way with the ncaa. It doesn't HAVE to be that way now. He has all the power to do so, he chooses not to, if so.

Not if the 14 member schools voted on the undergrad transfer rule...Which they did.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I know and it is completely irrelevant to the point. The rule in 2016 was NO ONE could be immediately eligible within the conference. That was the rule and he overruled it at the time, this time transfers are on the brink of happening anyway....months away. Sankey overruled the bylaws in 2016 and the sec didn't even change the grad transfer rule for TWO more whole years.


His reasoning holds zero weight when he broke rule in the past.

I know of no non-grad transfer that has ever been allowed to transfer from one SEC team to another SEC team without sitting though. If someone can point one out that would be awesome. I'd love for him to play, but obviously if it is the case that this hasn't been allowed before then that makes the pill a little easier to swallow from an equity standpoint. And on the bright side our OL will be f-n awesome next year too, Wanya and Wright will be juniors, throw in Cade and maybe Mims. That's alot to like.

 

[sechamp2012]

Just let him and Cooper swap jerseys, little size difference but I want tell.

 

[ButchPlz]

I know of no non-grad transfer that has ever been allowed to transfer from one SEC team to another SEC team without sitting though. If someone can point one out that would be awesome. I'd love for him to play, but obviously if it is the case that this hasn't been allowed before then that makes the pill a little easier to swallow from an equity standpoint. And on the bright side our OL will be f-n awesome next year too, Wanya and Wright will be juniors, throw in Cade and maybe Mims. That's alot to like.

You are missing the other guy's point entirely

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I know of no non-grad transfer that has ever been allowed to transfer from one SEC team to another SEC team without sitting though. If someone can point one out that would be awesome. I'd love for him to play, but obviously if it is the case that this hasn't been allowed before then that makes the pill a little easier to swallow from an equity standpoint. And on the bright side our OL will be f-n awesome next year too, Wanya and Wright will be juniors, throw in Cade and maybe Mims. That's alot to like.

Cade may go pro and never play for the Vols.

 

[Tnphil]

Cade may go pro and never play for the Vols.

Good possibility.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Cade may go pro and never play for the Vols.

Surely not.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Another question, sure we want Cade to play, but do we honestly want this rule changed? What is to stop Bama, et al. from using the rest of the league as developmental teams and poaching their best players? I am not sure we will get the best of things if the rule is changed.

 

[Tnphil]

Another question, sure we want Cade to play, but do we honestly want this rule changed? What is to stop Bama, et al. from using the rest of the league as developmental teams and poaching their best players? I am not sure we will get the best of things if the rule is changed.

It will become free agency.

 

[rjd970]

I don’t understand the position the Sankey can’t do what he wants. Mo Smith was granted as a grad transfer BEFORE the grad transfer exception was put in place.

YES - Sankey can do the same thing here and waive the current rule for this special circumstance. I really don’t understand the position some are taking here that Sankey is hamstrung by the current rule, or that the current rule can’t be waived. He can and it can.

Allow one time transfer for all current pending transfers as a one time exception this year. Sankey can and should do that. Even the NCAA recognized what the right thing was here, and that is saying something. This won’t result in free agency and it doesn’t have to result in any permanent rule changes.

Sankey’s statement smells of cowardice and bias, nothing more.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

You are missing the other guy's point entirely

No, I get it, he is saying that since another rule was waived 4 years ago, this different rule that has never been waived before should be waived. That's not very compelling to me. I've got my pitchfork sharpened and ready to go if someone can name a non-grad transfer who has transferred from one SEC school to another before without sitting a year though.

 

[08Vol]

Another question, sure we want Cade to play, but do we honestly want this rule changed? What is to stop Bama, et al. from using the rest of the league as developmental teams and poaching their best players? I am not sure we will get the best of things if the rule is changed.

Bama already has the best players. And the people waiting behind them are 5* and high 4* kids. Outside of our kicker UT only has 1 or 2 players that might compete for a starting spot at Bama.

Over the past 12 years Saban has lost fewer regular season games than Pruitt has in 2 years. Not sure why you are worried about them getting better when they are already at the top.

 

[rjd970]

No, I get it, he is saying that since another rule was waived 4 years ago, this different rule that has never been waived before should be waived. That's not very compelling to me. I've got my pitchfork sharpened and ready to go if someone can name a non-grad transfer who has transferred from one SEC school to another before without sitting a year though.

It was a transfer rule, just like this one. If special circumstances ever applied it would be pandemic and Cade’s circumstances. Like I said, even the NCAA saw it.

 

[Roustabout]

I know and it is completely irrelevant to the point. The rule in 2016 was NO ONE could be immediately eligible within the conference. That was the rule and he overruled it at the time. One-time transfers are on the brink of happening anyway....months away. Sankey overruled the bylaws in 2016 and the sec didn't even change the grad transfer rule for TWO more whole years.


His reasoning holds zero weight when he broke rule in the past. He cannot hide behind this "absolute law of the land" reasoning now.

If the NCAA passes that it will still be up to each conference.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Bama already has the best players. And the people waiting behind them are 5* and high 4* kids. Outside of our kicker UT only has 1 or 2 players that might compete for a starting spot at Bama.

Over the past 12 years Saban has lost fewer regular season games than Pruitt has in 2 years. Not sure why you are worried about them getting better when they are already at the top.

Not true, we've got alot of players other teams may want now, Henry T, Trey, Darnell, Wanya, Eric Gray to name a few. DeAngelo Gibbs was a five star benchwarmer at another school that we got, so far it seems like there might have been a good reason he was a benchwarmer. We'd get some good players sure, but we'd probably lose some who had their best play ahead of them as well as the elite teams filled holes in their roster with the promise of the instant gratification of competing for a championship. I'm just not sure this would be a net + for us to change the rule.

 

[Tnphil]

Doesn't just have to be Bama or a SEC team. It will become free agency and I stand by my opinion. If I could enact a rule it would be....You transfer you sit out one year...All sports.

 

[rjd970]

Not true, we've got alot of players other teams may want now, Henry T, Trey, Darnell, Wanya, Eric Gray. DeAngelo Gibbs was a five star benchwarmer at another school that we got, so far it seems like there might have been a good reason he was a benchwarmer. We'd get some good players sure, but we'd probably lose some who had their best play ahead of them as well as the elite teams filled holes in their roster with the promise of the instant gratification of competing for a championship. I'm just not sure this would be a net + for us to change the rule.

I don’t think the rule needs to change. I do, however, think an exception for this year only with only players currently pending a transfer should happen.

If the heartburn is with us playing UGA then stipulate he can’t play that game. Even that is better than a blanket shoulder shrug and “my hands are tied” stupidity from Sankey.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

It was a transfer rule, just like this one. If special circumstances ever applied it would be pandemic and Cade’s circumstances. Like I said, even the NCAA saw it.

I agree these would be great circumstances to waive the rule but if they don't and they never have waived this particular rule before, we're really mad we didn't get special treatment, not that the rule was waived before and not for us.

 

[rjd970]

I agree these would be great circumstances to waive the rule but if they don't and they never have waived this particular rule, we're really mad we didn't get special treatment, not that the rule was waived before and not for us.

The grad transfer exception had never been waived before it was either. There is a first time for everything and I don’t believe M. Smith or UGA got special treatment, he got what was right. Likewise this isn’t special treatment being asked for, this is doing what’s right for the student athlete.

 

[FBtime]

Everytime I see this thread I get excited for a quick second and then I realize it's the old thread.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

The grad transfer exception had never been waived before it was either. There is a first time for everything and I don’t believe M. Smith or UGA got special treatment, he got what was right. Likewise this isn’t special treatment being asked for, this is doing what’s right for the student athlete.

Fair enough. For my part, I was originally pretty mad about this situation, I have become less so though the more I have learned about it in regard to the SEC being largely consistent previously with the handling of non-graduate intra-conference transfers.

 

[KBVol]

Bama already has the best players. And the people waiting behind them are 5* and high 4* kids. Outside of our kicker UT only has 1 or 2 players that might compete for a starting spot at Bama.

Over the past 12 years Saban has lost fewer regular season games than Pruitt has in 2 years. Not sure why you are worried about them getting better when they are already at the top.

Agreed. They MIGHT want Trey and Henry and they need Cimaglia. That’s it though....anybody else they’d take would be a severe downgrade from what they already have.