Cade Mays CLEARED by NCAA

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VolforFootball said:
Why was he cleared? I'm happy he was, but what was the specific reason given as opposed to the reason he was originally denied?
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Nobody will ever know. It's all private, always. Fans will always speculate though.

In his case, my speculation is the lawyer helped.
 
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SEC is dragging their feet. They are doing everything in their power to get 2 teams into the playoffs. They don’t want UT to even have a shot at beating UGA or Bama.
 
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SEC going to drag their feet and then magically after we play UGA, he'll be cleared.

Why don't they just come out and say "Cleared for every game except UGA, BAMA, and any other we deem that UT would have a decided advantage of upsetting our chances of getting two teams into the CFP."???
 
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IndianaVol said:
SEC going to drag their feet and then magically after we play UGA, he'll be cleared.

Why don't they just come out and say "Cleared for every game except UGA, BAMA, and any other we deem that UT would have a decided advantage of upsetting our chances of getting two teams into the CFP."???
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To be fair, it seemed as though we dragged our feet with the whole transfer process. He announced his transfer in January and we didn’t apply for immediate eligibility until when, July? Why did we wait so long to apply in the first place?
 
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VolAce said:
To be fair, it seemed as though we dragged our feet with the whole transfer process. He announced his transfer in January and we didn’t apply for immediate eligibility until when, July? Why did we wait so long to apply in the first place?
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It’s in this thread. We did not drop the ball according to some here on VN.
 
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Did Kirby smart really word it that way. Kinda seemed like they got Sankey in their pocket
 

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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
It’s in this thread. We did not drop the ball according to some here on VN.
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I saw no responses in this thread addressing why we waited 7 months (with just over 2 months before the start of the season) to apply for his immediate eligibility. Seems like poor timing on our part if you ask me. Hopefully we get an answer this week but, if we don’t, the fault lies with us.
 
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VolAce said:
To be fair, it seemed as though we dragged our feet with the whole transfer process. He announced his transfer in January and we didn’t apply for immediate eligibility until when, July? Why did we wait so long to apply in the first place?
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Off the top of my head, so some of this may be inaccurate or a bit off, but as I remember,

1) It was expected the 1-time automatic waiver would pass on May 20th. Of course they ended up kicking the bucket down the road in the end. Maybe Cade applying and being denied before then would have taken precedence over a later rule being passed...idk.

2) Once it didn't pass...Mars dropped the case sometime after. Compliance had to start over by itself and ensure the case was solid, not just rushed. Who knows if Mars even developed the writing in-full, given the cost of his level of an attorney and the assuredness most had at the time it would be passed.

3) We submitted at some point after May 20th, but nobody actually knows when. All any fans can do is estimate.

4) We (the public, not necessarily UT) received word of the original denial in mid-August iirc. As slow as the ncaa moves, wouldn't be surprised if we submitted in June, only a few weeks after the vote was pushed to January 2021. Maybe July idk.

Nothing egregious at all imo, just a weird confluence of things happening. 2020 and all...
 
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Devo182 said:
Off the top of my head, so some of this may be inaccurate or a bit off, but as I remember,

1) It was expected the 1-time automatic waiver would pass on May 20th. Of course they ended up kicking the bucket down the road in the end. Maybe Cade applying and being denied before then would have taken precedence over a later rule being passed...idk.

2) Once it didn't pass...Mars dropped the case sometime after. Compliance had to start over by itself and ensure the case was solid, not just rushed. Who knows if Mars even developed the writing in-full, given the cost of his level of an attorney and the assuredness most had at the time it would be passed.

3) We submitted at some point after May 20th, but nobody actually knows when. All any fans can do is estimate.

4) Heard of original denial in August(?) Iirc. As slow as the ncaa moves, wouldn't be surprised if we submitted in June, only a few weeks after the vote was pushed to January 2021. Maybe July idk.

Nothing egregious at all imo, just a weird confluence of things happening. 2020 and all...
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Sounds like we were keeping our fingers crossed a rule would pass but it didn’t. I still don’t understand why we didn’t apply in March, at the latest, which would have given us 3 months to formulate our argument and file the necessary documents. It’s highly doubtful if he was denied by the NCAA, and the rule passed, he would remain ineligible. I would imagine the rule would apply to the 2020 season moving forward. Since he was applying for the 2020 season, the rule itself would have made him eligible despite any hypothetical denial to his waiver request. The rule would essentially eliminate, or amend, the entire waiver process.
 
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VolAce said:
I saw no responses in this thread addressing why we waited 7 months (with just over 2 months before the start of the season) to apply for his immediate eligibility. Seems like poor timing on our part if you ask me. Hopefully we get an answer this week but, if we don’t, the fault lies with us.
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They are here in this thread. I can’t remember details but they seemed valid to me when I read them. Maybe someone here can help you out more. The SEC has all the info they need to make a decision immediately so UT’s timing in submitting the request seems to me to be irrelevant.
 
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VolAce said:
Sounds like we were keeping our fingers crossed a rule would pass but it didn’t. I still don’t understand why we didn’t apply in March, at the latest, which would have given us 3 months to formulate our argument and file the necessary documents. It’s highly doubtful if he was denied by the NCAA, and the rule passed, he would remain ineligible. I would imagine the rule would apply to the 2020 season moving forward. Since he was applying for the 2020 season, the rule itself would have made him eligible despite any hypothetical denial to his waiver request. The rule would essentially eliminate, or amend, the entire waiver process.
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I feel you. But let's put ourselves in the family's shoes. Imagine being faced with a $300/hr attorney racking up expenses, when a rule is unanimously believed to be passed very soon...

I could see rolling with the free option for sure in that case.
 
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Devo182 said:
I feel you. But let's put ourselves in the family's shoes. Imagine being faced with a $300/hr attorney racking up expenses, when a rule is unanimously believed to be passed very soon...

I could see rolling with the free option for sure in that case.
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Then why retain the attorney to begin with? Frankly, I don’t see this as being something which takes 10+ hrs for an attorney to finish. You file for the waiver, write the brief, and await a decision. It’s not like they are going to hearings or deposing witnesses. If the cost of representation is too high, then you find more affordable representation. That’s assuming his hourly rate is even $300. It certainly didn’t take UGA nearly the amount of time to get JT Daniels cleared by the NCAA. Granted, he wasn’t transferring within the SEC, but the discrepancy in the amount of time taken between the two cases is tremendous.
 
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VolAce said:
To be fair, it seemed as though we dragged our feet with the whole transfer process. He announced his transfer in January and we didn’t apply for immediate eligibility until when, July? Why did we wait so long to apply in the first place?
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To be fair, there is no reason for the SEC to take a week after the NCAA cleared him, to decide this. It is ridiculous. They have known about his case for months.
 
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VolAce said:
Then why retain the attorney to begin with? Frankly, I don’t see this as being something which takes 10+ hrs for an attorney to finish. You file for the waiver, write the brief, and await a decision. It’s not like they are going to hearings or deposing witnesses. If the cost of representation is too high, then you find more affordable representation. That’s assuming his hourly rate is even $300. It certainly didn’t take UGA nearly the amount of time to get JT Daniels cleared by the NCAA. Granted, he wasn’t transferring within the SEC, but the discrepancy in the amount of time taken between the two cases is tremendous.
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It takes 10 billable hours, yet seems to take every multi-person compliance department in America weeks or months to research , compile, and file? Not buying it.

Jmo but research takes a lot of time if you want the best case possible. Not just into your particular case, but other cases the ncaa has handled. That was part of the reasoning last year for Solomon filing later, apparently we were waiting to see how other cases played out, what worked, and what didn't.

The JTD case shows us nothing of how much time went into preparing each case. Just reading Tom Mars and his opinions on cases, the ncaa, etc from the Spring, the job is no cakewalk and there is a big difference from doing it optimally and not well at all.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
To be fair, there is no reason for the SEC to take a week after the NCAA cleared him, to decide this. It is ridiculous. They have known about his case for months.
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Maybe you’re right, but this is the **** you deal with when you wait until the last minute. We could have been waiting on the SEC to make their decision on the NCAA appeal two months ago, not when the season is less than a week away.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
To be fair, there is no reason for the SEC to take a week after the NCAA cleared him, to decide this. It is ridiculous. They have known about his case for months.
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The question is one of priority imo. I know the NCAA considers these very low priority, considering the rule says these are simply not allowed and they view a waiver as a big exception to the rule...even if it no longer is. Their guidelines strictly say these are bottom of the pile sorts of things.

Considering Gatewood has been waiting WEEKS, it doesn't seem Sankey gives 2 Fs either.

It's pathetic!
 
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Devo182 said:
It takes 10 billable hours, yet seems to take every multi-person compliance department in America weeks or months to research , compile, and file? Not buying it.

Jmo but research takes a lot of time if you want the best case possible. Not just into your particular case, but other cases the ncaa has handled. That was part of the reasoning last year for Solomon filing later, apparently we were waiting to see how other cases played out, what worked, and what didn't.

The JTD case shows us nothing of how much time went into preparing each case. Just reading Tom Mars and his opinions on cases, the ncaa, etc from the Spring, the job is no cakewalk and there is a big difference from doing it optimally and not well at all.
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When this is what the particular attorney specializes in, let me tell you, he doesn’t need to research anything. I’m telling you this based on experience, not speculation. This is not the court system. Rules of evidence are likely very relaxed if not non existent. There is nothing about this particular case that requires any type of unique theories to be developed. I’m not talking about the oar pullers in compliance departments, I have no idea who they are or what their level of experience/expertise is. It may take a team of them months what a seasoned professional can do in a few hours. The fact is, we waited too damn long and now we’re keeping our fingers crossed again the SEC let’s him play before the first game of the season.
 
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Devo182 said:
The question is one of priority imo. I know the NCAA considers these very low priority, considering the rule says these are simply not allowed and they view a waiver as a big exception to the rule...even if it no longer is. Their guidelines strictly say these are bottom of the pile sorts of things.

Considering Gatewood has been waiting WEEKS, it doesn't seem Sankey gives 2 Fs either.

It's pathetic!
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All the more reason we should have initiated the process sooner. 👍🏼
 
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Just listened to an interview on the radio here in Birmingham this morning with Greg Sankey. He was asked a general question about in conference transfers that have been cleared by the NCAA. It wasn't about Cade Mays specifically, but.... He gave an answer as to the limited number of exceptions for a waiver to the of sitting-out-a-year and did not make it sound flexible at all. Said if there were other circumstances that should be considered, then the 14 schools need to address together and put in the conference rules.

After listening to his answer and the matter-of-factness in which he gave it, I'm less confident of a positive outcome here.
 
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