Butch tells Volnation "Shut-up and strap-in"

#76
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wmcovol said:
Ok, I admit it. I was happy to see Fulmer step out of the incest circle and hire Dave Clawson. I thought new blood would be good. Of course, I didn't have a clue about the flipping OL scheme he used but what did I know? Most of BON was with me.

I was impressed with Dooley hiring Sunseri from Satan and the work ethic and knowledge he brought from that staff. Little did I know it would be a disaster exceeded only by the Tsumani that hit SE Asia about 10 yrs ago. Again, on the date he was hired, most Vol fans agreed with me

Facts are I don't know who CBJ should hire and if, on the front end you were impressed with either of these two hires, neither do you.
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See, I was one of the negas on here that adamantly opposed Sunseri. Here is why:

1985–1992 Pittsburgh (DL/LB)
1992 Pittsburgh (AHC)
1993 Iowa Wesleyan (AHC/DC/ST)
1994 Illinois State (DC)
1995–1997 Louisville (LB)
1998–1999 Alabama A&M (DC/LB)
2000 LSU (LB/ST)
2001 Michigan State (LB/ST)
2002–2008 Carolina Panthers (DL)
2009–2011 Alabama (AHC/LB)
2012 Tennessee (DC)
2013–2014 Florida State (DE)
2015–present Oakland Raiders (LB)

DC experience in bold. Everything else says this:

* Excellent position coach. Poor DC.

This is why Sunseri never got sniffed for a legit DC job until Dooley's dumb@ss came knocking and hasn't had a sniff since.

Now, here's DeBord's experience:
1982–1983 Franklin (IN) (OL)
1984 Fort Hays State (OL)
1985–1986 Fort Hays State (OC/QB/WR)
1987–1988 Eastern Illinois (OL)
1988–1989 Ball State (OL)
1990–1991 Colorado State (OL)
1992 Northwestern (OL)
1992–1996 Michigan (OL)
1997–1999 Michigan (OC)
2000–2003 Central Michigan
2004–2005 Michigan (ST/RC)
2006–2007 Michigan (OC/TE)
2008 Seattle Seahawks (Asst. OL)
2009 Seattle Seahawks (TE)
2010–2012 Chicago Bears (TE)
2013-2014 Special Olympics Administrator
2015-Tennessee Volunteers(OC)

Note the stark drop-off in level of responsibility after the 2007 Michigan OC disaster. Asst OL -> TE is a demotion in the coaching world. TE -> Special Olympics Administrator is nothing more than "we remember what you did, we'll hook you up with a worthless job as thanks".

People on here are clammoring to post stats from 1997 to prove why DeBord is a good hire. 1997. Why not just bring in ole Fulmer, Lloyd Carr, the Nebraska staff and other relics of the 90s and remake the power team?

When Jones said "we hire by fit, not by resume" I was scared. In every industry I've worked in you are what your resume says you are. When you're a 15-year engineer and you're applying for a manager's position and you have no management experience... people will ask why you were never given lead on any project. There are great engineers that are horrible managers. That's why they stick to being great engineers.

Coaching works the same way. There are great position coaches that make horrible coordinators. There are great coordinators that make horrible head coaches.

Guys like Chavis, LeBeau, Capers, Kiffin know their place. They're fantastic DCs. They were either utter failures as HFC or they just realized it wasn't for them and never took any offers.

But swallowing one's pride and saying "I'm just not good enough for it" is tough to say. Especially in an alpha-male type industry that football breeds.

And Jones hiring DeBord is nothing but nepotism and running away from hiring a guy that could threaten your position. Fulmer did the same thing with OCs. He never hired a guy and let him take the full reigns. Always stuck his nose in and micromanaged.
 
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OrangeMound said:
Mizz won the East last year with the #79 ranked Offense in the Nation. TEN finished #78. However the MIZZ Def finished #26, TEN #40. Defenses win Championships which we will be much improved so I think we will be fine, Gol Vols!
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I think Alabama had the best ranked defense .
 
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Oh st. is returning a bunch of sophmores for next season, 15 starters in total, and they just won an NC. I don't think "young" is a very good excuse honestly. Coaching matters.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
At 12-13, *everything* is a stretch. This hire is a step back, not forward. I like Butch, appreciate the awesome recruiting, but his gameday has resulted in some wins being left on the field and going into the loss column (Florida, vandy..). He's still got some things to prove, and this hire has to yield big results with wins or the rumbling will begin. Could've went for Cumbie, Mazzone, Norvell.. But we didn't. And in doing so butch has decided not to go with a candidate that is proving it here and now, but go with a guy who's been given two chances (a total of four Seasons) already and nobody has given a thought to his third chance until now. It sends a clear message to me what exactly our "caretaker" plans for this program. I'm sure he has left all the defensive coordinators of the sec shaking in their shoes.
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Well, I appreciate the sentiment. I'm in total agreement that 7-6 is still mediocre. (Acceptable mediocrity, if we believe that 10 win seasons will soon be the norm around here, but mediocrity nonetheless.) The problem is, you seem to have been wanting an overhaul of the offense (I did too), and that's just not going to happen. This IS the offense Butch wants to run. And with that in mind, Butch's team averaged 34 pts per game with Dobbs running the show, which would be top 2 or 3 in the conference. It could be ugly and predictable, never had those play calls that make you go "wow", and still had that kind of success. Butch is very very conservative. Bajakian is very very conservative. All we can hope for is a few "wow" play calls thrown into the mix. With that in mind, I think that Debord really IS a step forward, or as I've said elsewhere he is a step or two up the 100 step staircase. Not elite, because Butch's offensive philosophy doesn't lend itself to that. I think the offense will be tweaked, Richmond will pancake a couple of guys per game, and we'll keep chugging along.
 
#83
#83
My goodness the hero worship of a coach that doesn't have a winning record is astonishing! Anybody that says VN hasn't been patient during the down years is crazy.
 
#84
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Other_Guy said:
Why do people hate on that quote of his. Do you want him to say "a really good staff but unfortunately I settled for a few position coaches".
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No - Butch said what he needed to say. What would be helpful however is for people to stop behaving line brainless morons and mindlessly repeating 'Butch has delivered on everything he's promised' where it's so easy to demonstrate this is not the case. And they are repeating this to shut anyone up who disagrees with their premise that Butch is perfect and should not be challenged on anything. And of course coach who came from minor leagues and who has so far posted 5-7, and 7-6 two year record should expect to be challenged until he starts winning (because he now has the first real job in big leagues he should expect criticism where it's warranted and his offense so far has deserved it - he may even know this and perhaps even nudged Bajakian to leave since he certainly took a job that looks like sideways move at best).
 
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KBVol said:
Ok, we need an OC and evidently here's the profile of the ideal candidate...

1. Has been out of football for 3 seasons
2. Is currently an the Olympic team administrator for a University
3. Hasn't called a game as an offensive coordinator in 8 years
4. Has little to no experience (reported) coordinating/teaching a spread offense. Ran a power I, pro style offense at Michigan
5. Last time he teamed with our current head coach, they lost 34 of 46 games.
6. Hasn't and doesn't coach QBs..... when we have 3 true freshmen QBs coming in who will desperately need to be developed, especially Jennings.
7. He had great success in as a college OC..... in 1997.

Now you tell me.... if we rolled out this profile to you before any names were mentioned and said this is the guy we're looking for, what would you have said.

I'm certainly gonna give Butch my support and trust and DeBord may wind up being wildly successful here, but damn man..... how can anybody be excited about this hire at this point?
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you people are insufferable! last year everyone was freaking out wanting the I formation and "power running just like back in my day" blah blah blah. now we get a coach like that and it's the end of the world? christ almighty.
 
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griffdog14 said:
you people are insufferable! last year everyone was freaking out wanting the I formation and "power running just like back in my day" blah blah blah. now we get a coach like that and it's the end of the world? christ almighty.
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Anyone expecting the I formation next season because of this hire is going to be sorely disappointed, I fear.
 
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:clapping:Butch has completed phase one of his promise. Recruiting he gets A+. The hard part starts this season. The coaching and winning grade I will post Nov 1st, 2015. If anyone has a clue how to make a grade prior to that your a genius. This team with the talent on hand and proper coaching should easily win 10. Losing only to Alabama and Georgia. Anyone that would accept just 7 or 8 wins has become a fan after 2005.:huggy::machgun:
 
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volfan4evr said:
The only one Butch has to please with this hire is himself. Some of you "Keyboard Kowboys" need to quit whining like a spoiled brat and deal with it. If you're such an expert on coaching hires, go into business as a consultant. Or better yet, shut up!
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Somebody give Freak the news....needs to shut down the site....discussion and opinions from Vols fans about the Vols program neither wanted, needed or appropriate. It's been real boys....
 
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griffdog14 said:
you people are insufferable! last year everyone was freaking out wanting the I formation and "power running just like back in my day" blah blah blah. now we get a coach like that and it's the end of the world? christ almighty.
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Really dude? Tell me what part(s) of what I posted is wrong or inappropriate. I bullet pointed the man's profile.

He may come in and be the best OC in UT history. I think Butch has earned a fair amount of blind faith from fans after his first 2 years....he certainly has it from me. But to stick your head in the sand and somehow agree that DeBord is, given his recent resume/experiences, the best guy available in the country to coordinate our offense and develop our 3 true freshman qbs?? You go right ahead. Butch may have just made a great hire and I hope like hell he did....but he's just opened himself up to a tremendous amount of criticism and doubt if it doesn't work out.
 
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griffdog14 said:
you people are insufferable! last year everyone was freaking out wanting the I formation and "power running just like back in my day" blah blah blah. now we get a coach like that and it's the end of the world? christ almighty.
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Btw, wtf are you quoting my post? I've never said one word about wanting a power I offense at Tennessee.
 
#92
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MFL said:
This team with the talent on hand and proper coaching should easily win 10. Losing only to Alabama and Georgia. Anyone that would accept just 7 or 8 wins has become a fan after 2005.:huggy::machgun:
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I became a fan in 1986 but would accept 9-4 (assuming bowl win against middle tier bowl opponent given 4 loses), but under condition that we look a lot better when we do lose. Losing close games to strong teams when you have young players can be ok. But if they continue to coach like they did against UF and Ole Miss (or Vandy the year before) - that should no longer be acceptable in year 3 (in my opinion was not acceptable in year 2 either).
 
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agent|orange said:
Yeah, who wants some relevant scrub from TCU or a guy named after a country?

What this says to me is:

* Butch Jones is nepotistic and is afraid of bringing in a guy that wants to run his own system.

* Butch wants a "yes man" that will run his system. Not some outsider that would come in and "shake up the house".

* A younger coach under you is a threat. He doesn't want a usurper on his hands.

Butch has shown he's a great recruiter and IMO not much else to this point. His offense completely sputtered at times and looked to only work when Dobbs/Hurd made fantastic individual efforts which reflects them... not Bajina or Lyle.

This hire is underwhelming. Having to cite stats from 1997 is just pathetic. Why is every other football program in the country not biting on this hidden gem? Why are we always the butts of the Sunseri jokes?
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Butch has already stated that whoever took over as OC would run the same offense because he doesn't want to have to install another offense. He's right in not wanting to change the schemes up.

The rest was basically made up stuff.
 
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All this Butch has proved himself and deserves our trust posts are hilarious. What exactly has he proven, that he can recruit? Because thats about it. Until he can take that talent and start winning games, which he really hasn't then I will withhold my blind faith in the man and his abilities.
He had a chance to make a great hire and instead he went and called his old friend, found out fans and recruits didn't like the guy so pretended to do some interviews to buy him time and then waited til after the kids were stuck for at least a year to announce he hired the guy most didn't like.

This guy isn't gonna come and bring in the I-formation or any other power run game formations. butch said he wanted more of the same, which can be good but we also needed some new wrinkles to O. If we run the exact same O then were gonna be in some serious trouble in the coming years. Most read-option spread teams are able to but up decent numbers. WIth more of the exact same we will never do that unless we can manage to schedule an entire season of weak Ds.
 
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agent|orange said:
See, I was one of the negas on here that adamantly opposed Sunseri. Here is why:

1985–1992 Pittsburgh (DL/LB)
1992 Pittsburgh (AHC)
1993 Iowa Wesleyan (AHC/DC/ST)
1994 Illinois State (DC)
1995–1997 Louisville (LB)
1998–1999 Alabama A&M (DC/LB)
2000 LSU (LB/ST)
2001 Michigan State (LB/ST)
2002–2008 Carolina Panthers (DL)
2009–2011 Alabama (AHC/LB)
2012 Tennessee (DC)
2013–2014 Florida State (DE)
2015–present Oakland Raiders (LB)

DC experience in bold. Everything else says this:

* Excellent position coach. Poor DC.

This is why Sunseri never got sniffed for a legit DC job until Dooley's dumb@ss came knocking and hasn't had a sniff since.

Now, here's DeBord's experience:
1982–1983 Franklin (IN) (OL)
1984 Fort Hays State (OL)
1985–1986 Fort Hays State (OC/QB/WR)
1987–1988 Eastern Illinois (OL)
1988–1989 Ball State (OL)
1990–1991 Colorado State (OL)
1992 Northwestern (OL)
1992–1996 Michigan (OL)
1997–1999 Michigan (OC)
2000–2003 Central Michigan
2004–2005 Michigan (ST/RC)
2006–2007 Michigan (OC/TE)
2008 Seattle Seahawks (Asst. OL)
2009 Seattle Seahawks (TE)
2010–2012 Chicago Bears (TE)
2013-2014 Special Olympics Administrator
2015-Tennessee Volunteers(OC)

Note the stark drop-off in level of responsibility after the 2007 Michigan OC disaster. Asst OL -> TE is a demotion in the coaching world. TE -> Special Olympics Administrator is nothing more than "we remember what you did, we'll hook you up with a worthless job as thanks".

People on here are clammoring to post stats from 1997 to prove why DeBord is a good hire. 1997. Why not just bring in ole Fulmer, Lloyd Carr, the Nebraska staff and other relics of the 90s and remake the power team?

When Jones said "we hire by fit, not by resume" I was scared. In every industry I've worked in you are what your resume says you are. When you're a 15-year engineer and you're applying for a manager's position and you have no management experience... people will ask why you were never given lead on any project. There are great engineers that are horrible managers. That's why they stick to being great engineers.

Coaching works the same way. There are great position coaches that make horrible coordinators. There are great coordinators that make horrible head coaches.

Guys like Chavis, LeBeau, Capers, Kiffin know their place. They're fantastic DCs. They were either utter failures as HFC or they just realized it wasn't for them and never took any offers.

But swallowing one's pride and saying "I'm just not good enough for it" is tough to say. Especially in an alpha-male type industry that football breeds.

And Jones hiring DeBord is nothing but nepotism and running away from hiring a guy that could threaten your position. Fulmer did the same thing with OCs. He never hired a guy and let him take the full reigns. Always stuck his nose in and micromanaged.
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Sticky worthy! :good!::hi:
 
#97
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JFBanicki said:
All this Butch has proved himself and deserves our trust posts are hilarious. What exactly has he proven, that he can recruit? Because thats about it. Until he can take that talent and start winning games, which he really hasn't then I will withhold my blind faith in the man and his abilities.
He had a chance to make a great hire and instead he went and called his old friend, found out fans and recruits didn't like the guy so pretended to do some interviews to buy him time and then waited til after the kids were stuck for at least a year to announce he hired the guy most didn't like.

This guy isn't gonna come and bring in the I-formation or any other power run game formations. butch said he wanted more of the same, which can be good but we also needed some new wrinkles to O. If we run the exact same O then were gonna be in some serious trouble in the coming years. Most read-option spread teams are able to but up decent numbers. WIth more of the exact same we will never do that unless we can manage to schedule an entire season of weak Ds.
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the hiring of Mike Debord, Butch has sent a clear message to Volnation: "Shut-up and strap-in."

This hire means that Butch believes the Vols will win the East in 2015 and beyond.

High-octane OCs with offenses 70 spots higher than Mike Bajakian's (despite being on less money) were not needed. The guy who designed 3-plays that won Charles Woodson the Heisman is all that is required for Championships now.

In essence, Butch has said that sjt18 and MedicT could be co-OCs and he would still win the East.

I've got a lot of faith in Butch, and he has given all of us the ultimate Butch-slap. Butch has got this.
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he better
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Butch Jones has delivered on everything he's promised so far. Don't see why we should doubt him now.
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Exactly, you got to trust the process.

I think everybody needed a day to assimilate all this, I dont have any concerns over this hire. Of course I've
been watching all the UT hype videos I've saved on youtube and that has helped.
 
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