Butch, Shoop and few tidbits ..

[robow]

There has been a lot of chatter, mostly by people at UT and some media members about unhappiness within coaching staff that lead to a failure of 2016. Here are few things that are being said by some reporters and people at UT. (No insider information here. Just compilation of stuff from Podcasts, informal talks with local media members and UTK students who claim to have heard similar rumblings)

a) Butch is reportedly very unhappy with the lack of AD situation. He has been telling people it has been hurting recruiting and OC hire. The internal promotion is not by choice for Butch, rather outsider big candidates' unwillingness to join the staff without some assurance from AD on stability. Butch has been telling local media members during informal communications to look at staff other SEC teams have assembled. His situation is like he is almost taking a knife to a gun fight against Alabama, comparing the supporting staff.

b) Shoop never fully got support from Martinez, Thigpen or Stripling. The three reportedly felt like Shoop undermined their authority with micromanaging things. Things got worse as the season progressed. Stripling will retire, Martinez will be let go. Thigpen might look elsewhere but Shoop and Butch have tried to convince him to stay due to his recruiting powers.

c) After season Butch did look for other options as he was uncertain about his status once new AD was hired. UT higher-ups assured him that he won't be let go upon hire of new AD.

d) Don Mahoney will be let go after signing day. Azzanni is looking elsewhere and will leave after signing day. Larry Scott will be new OC. Butch has tried to do a CO-OC thing with both but Azzanni wants full control of the offense. Funny as Butch wanted to bring a name but he couldn't land one.

e) The media reports of Butch not willing to relinquish control of offense are wrong.

Why are most of your post speculative, with B.S. rumors,
that have been regurgitated from sources that have their own agenda, and all have the same undertone of I want Butch gone. I personally find them childish.

 

[VolForLife83]

Folks, it's time to start boycotting. We can support and root through the television

 

[VolNExile]

Why are most of your post speculative, with B.S. rumors,
that have been regurgitated from sources that have their own agenda, and all have the same undertone of I want Butch gone. I personally find them childish.

:question:

I agree that the original post was a bit speculative, but how did you get from it "the same undertone of I want Butch gone"? I read it as an interesting list of challenges the CBJ was facing in attempting to upgrade the staff.

 

[Batman1948]

So as long as there's chaos in the coaching staff, Butch should get a free pass?

Give me a break! Coaching Staffs change all the time.

I don't believe I mentioned anything about a free pass bud. You need to enhance your reading skills.

 

[NEO]

To me, it's a pretty strong indictment of the kind of coaching our guys have been receiving at these positions when Jones can't even get somebody to take them off his hands.

That caught me off guard too and I take what he post very seriously.

I think Butch wants to stay here and is realizing now this ain't the big east and he needs much better staff.

 

[QuickSmurf]

There's a very very good chance you have no clue what your talking about.

That's not even junior high but more 2nd grade.

 

[ReaderVol]

No one would take the UT job? That is dumb. No one would take the UT job with the current group of incompetents in control? That is true and how we ended up with a coach in way over his head.

Also, for all you deluded coach worshipers who are white knighting for Butch and trying to convince people that a Top25 Power 5 school would take him....I give you Purdue.

For those salivating over 9 wins, who were they against, who were his losses against, what were preseason expectations, did he meet those expectations? Congrats, 9 wins and you just witnessed him pinnacle in the SEC.

It's not coach worshiping. How dumb!
Also only an idiot of the highest order would believe Jones ever put one second into the thought of leaving UT for Purdue.
Wow! The dumb in some of our "fans" is amazing.

 

[vol81]

I really think those that rant and rave about firing Butch and not supporting the team/program are extremely unhappy people at heart and just love to spout negativity to make them feel empowered.
The second coming of Nick Saban would not please them. Every coach loses games he shouldnt. To give up on this staff and program right now is cowardly IMHO.
GTFO I say to you fans IF you do not want to support Team 121 and their coaches. We dont need you.

 

[aredfox28]

Yeah, nobody would ever think to hire a coach who took over a dumpster fire of a program on and off the field, restored academics, and delivered back to back Top 25 rankings in Years 3 and 4. I just cannot imagine any AD being crazy enough to hire that coach.

Many of you are so deluded you are nuts.

You bring up the term dumpster fire.. well by the sound of it from the OP. Not only is the administration a dumpster fire, so is this coaching staff, coaches not being happy, want control of things, people retiring if thats what they wanna call it.. my thing is, if this staff is that dysfunctional, why not just get rid of jones and cut of the head of the snake and start over, seems like thats whats gonna happen anyways with all the coaches leaving, what better time to have a fresh start..

 

[CountVolcula]

I really think those that rant and rave about firing Butch and not supporting the team/program are extremely unhappy people at heart and just love to spout negativity to make them feel empowered.
The second coming of Nick Saban would not please them. Every coach loses games he shouldnt. To give up on this staff and program right now is cowardly IMHO.
GTFO I say to you fans IF you do not want to support Team 121 and their coaches. We dont need you.

Wrong


You guys dont understand that Butch isnt UT. Hes only here because of a number and 6 zeros

My concern and loyalties are with UT and not the coaching staff. They have been hired to do a job and its not to just get us to a bowl game every year

 

[QuickSmurf]

It's not coach worshiping. How dumb!
Also only an idiot of the highest order would believe Jones ever put one second into the thought of leaving UT for Purdue.
Wow! The dumb in some of our "fans" is amazing.

Lately this place has been invaded by lots and lots of stupidity.

 

[LWSVOL]

and Martinez?

same time frame.. next 7-10 days should be movement

 

[vol81]

Wrong


You guys dont understand that Butch isnt UT. Hes only here because of a number and 6 zeros

My concern and loyalties are with UT and not the coaching staff. They have been hired to do a job and its not to just get us to a bowl game every year

So using your logic we should only hire former Vols?

Butch has invested much more of himself in this program than the two before him. If nine wins is his ceiling then he will be gone in a couple years. Why not let it play out since it is very very obvious he is our coach for the coming season. That is what true Volunteers do. We can complain and offer thoughts and insights but at the end of the day You Support Your Team. Period.

 

[aredfox28]

I really think those that rant and rave about firing Butch and not supporting the team/program are extremely unhappy people at heart and just love to spout negativity to make them feel empowered.
The second coming of Nick Saban would not please them. Every coach loses games he shouldnt. To give up on this staff and program right now is cowardly IMHO.
GTFO I say to you fans IF you do not want to support Team 121 and their coaches. We dont need you.

But you assume that people who dont support butch, dont support the team or players? Thats a load of ish if i ever heard it. And a totally moronic thing to say. I support they players and thank everyone of them that chose to come and wear the orange when they didnt have too and could of went somewhere else. Now, with that being said, i do thank butch for everything he's done here, getting the apr up, building this roster back up, getting a # beside our name again. But, i dont think he is the guy to get us where we all want to be, and thats winning championships, too many coaching blunders year after year. Not having the team looking prepared for games. Do i hope he can turn it around? Yes, do i think he can? I doubt it.. but for you to say i dont support the team? Who are you to do my thinking for me?

 

[sona]

No idea if *all* of OP's scenario plays out, but if so we are in for a wild ride. Hart should have been shown the door immediately. You do not allow someone (at the top no less) to linger around in an ineffectual stupor. I am not a huge Butch fan but he deserves all of the mechanisms to be in place to facilitate staff decisions.

Anyway, if OP's bullet points are true, there are a lot of variables in play this off-season. Hopefully someone with a clue is helping Butch skirt around the obstacles so he can make things happen and get the right people on both sides of the ball.

 

[Behr]

You got him.

 

[Tallman]

a) Butch should be happy about the AD situation or he more than likely wouldn't have been here after the Vandy debacle.

c) More evidence at the absolute incompetence within the UT upper administration. Why give him any assurances at all? This is a guy who wouldn't get another Top 25 school to hire him. Why are you worried he might leave? Oh, because you are complete incompetent morons. Also, how do you bring in a good AD and tell them...ohh yeah you are hitched to Lyle, we gave him assurances. WTF?!?! Until the upper administration is completely cleaned out, I have no hope UT will ever give a damn about competing for titles in any sport.

e) Yeah no one believes that. Butch is a crazy control freak and anyone who thinks he is going to change his offensive system when he has his back up against the wall is kidding themselves. It is what it is.

Why would you want to change the most productive offense in UT history?

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

So using your logic we should only hire former Vols?

Butch has invested much more of himself in this program than the two before him. If nine wins is his ceiling then he will be gone in a couple years. Why not let it play out since it is very very obvious he is our coach for the coming season. That is what true Volunteers do. We can complain and offer thoughts and insights but at the end of the day You Support Your Team. Period.

Thank-you. Gosh, it must be miserable to be so miserable.

 

[ReaderVol]

Why would you want to change the most productive offense in UT history?

Because it involves Jones. And they HATE him. Makes no sense but they hate the man.

 

[vol81]

But you assume that people who dont support butch, dont support the team or players? Thats a load of ish if i ever heard it. And a totally moronic thing to say. I support they players and thank everyone of them that chose to come and wear the orange when they didnt have too and could of went somewhere else. Now, with that being said, i do thank butch for everything he's done here, getting the apr up, building this roster back up, getting a # beside our name again. But, i dont think he is the guy to get us where we all want to be, and thats winning championships, too many coaching blunders year after year. Not having the team looking prepared for games. Do i hope he can turn it around? Yes, do i think he can? I doubt it.. but for you to say i dont support the team? Who are you to do my thinking for me?

So you can trash and tear down the head coach and still support the team he coaches? Who judges whether that can be done? You or I? I think not. The men who wear the uniform ? Yes. And I can tell you the vast majority of them do not agree with you. They will tell you the team includes the coaches coaching the players. all wear the same Orange.....,

 

[Vol Catdaddy]

That's not what he meant. Just because we acknowledge progress, I know some on this site don't see this year as progress, doesn't mean we are happy not to have went to Atlanta this year. We can't even ****ing talk about the ****ing AD situation without somebody talking about those 2 ****ing games. Those 2 ****ing games don't have a ****ing thing to do with the problems from not having an AD to hire an OC and QB coach.

we win those two games we arent talking about any of this cause it wouldn't matter. Recruiting would be in the top 5-10 cause winning is the best way to combat any negativity.

 

[smokey0625]

One of the dumbest things I've ever read here. If we fired a coach after back to back 9 win seasons, no one would take this job.

We'd be Nebraska. Things haven't panned out for them.

 

[CAVPUT]

Not buying A. There's no chance Butch would want to make a splash OC hire like Kelly. He's too insecure to hire someone that would be a potential replacement. He's more than comfortable promoting from within.

 

[aredfox28]

So you can trash and tear down the head coach and still support the team he coaches? Who judges whether that can be done? You or I? I think not. The men who wear the uniform ? Yes. And I can tell you the vast majority of them do not agree with you. They will tell you the team includes the coaches coaching the players. all wear the same Orange.....,

can i trash and tear down the coaches? Yes i can, along with about every person that has a favorite sports team, you think vols fans are the only ones? Let me tell you something bud, its been going on for years, and will go on for years..and you comment about the players, im glad they the majority do like him and are happy with him, but what about the 1/3 of the roster that he recruited that have left, why dont you ask them if they are happy, since you wanna play that game..

 

[vol81]

1/3? Math must not be your strong suit
And for you to insinuate that all those that left wete because of the head coach is patently absurd.