Butch, Shoop and few tidbits ..

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volmandu said:
There has been a lot of chatter, mostly by people at UT and some media members about unhappiness within coaching staff that lead to a failure of 2016. Here are few things that are being said by some reporters and people at UT. (No insider information here. Just compilation of stuff from Podcasts, informal talks with local media members and UTK students who claim to have heard similar rumblings)

a) Butch is reportedly very unhappy with the lack of AD situation. He has been telling people it has been hurting recruiting and OC hire. The internal promotion is not by choice for Butch, rather outsider big candidates' unwillingness to join the staff without some assurance from AD on stability. Butch has been telling local media members during informal communications to look at staff other SEC teams have assembled. His situation is like he is almost taking a knife to a gun fight against Alabama, comparing the supporting staff.

b) Shoop never fully got support from Martinez, Thigpen or Stripling. The three reportedly felt like Shoop undermined their authority with micromanaging things. Things got worse as the season progressed. Stripling will retire, Martinez will be let go. Thigpen might look elsewhere but Shoop and Butch have tried to convince him to stay due to his recruiting powers.

c) After season Butch did look for other options as he was uncertain about his status once new AD was hired. UT higher-ups assured him that he won't be let go upon hire of new AD.

d) Don Mahoney will be let go after signing day. Azzanni is looking elsewhere and will leave after signing day. Larry Scott will be new OC. Butch has tried to do a CO-OC thing with both but Azzanni wants full control of the offense. Funny as Butch wanted to bring a name but he couldn't land one.

e) The media reports of Butch not willing to relinquish control of offense are wrong.
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But Butch said he had put together the Best Staff in America and kept all of them for 4 years except for Debord and Shoop and now he is pulling the staff isn't as good as other teams.

If true then smdh
 
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Zetter said:
If you consider this season a success then Dooley should still be our coach.
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That's not what he meant. Just because we acknowledge progress, I know some on this site don't see this year as progress, doesn't mean we are happy not to have went to Atlanta this year. We can't even ****ing talk about the ****ing AD situation without somebody talking about those 2 ****ing games. Those 2 ****ing games don't have a ****ing thing to do with the problems from not having an AD to hire an OC and QB coach.
 
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Man this is depressing if true. Let's just delete this thread and act like none of this ever happened. Thanks.

However, I have been lured in to respond. Is it that Butch finally sees how lacking his staff is compared to the SEC. That he micromanages them so much because he is not confident in their abilities? I'll step away from the keyboard and read.
 
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m1al said:
Not meant to be an insult to Butch but there is a lot of truth in what he said.. Hell, it should've never came to Dooley..
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Its just ironic to me that the next thing is an inept administration being the newest "adversity" to Jones. But the previous circumstances or firings and hirings are not mentioned.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
That's not what he meant. Just because we acknowledge progress, I know some on this site don't see this year as progress, doesn't mean we are happy not to have went to Atlanta this year. We can't even ****ing talk about the ****ing AD situation without somebody talking about those 2 ****ing games. Those 2 ****ing games don't have a ****ing thing to do with the problems from not having an AD to hire an OC and QB coach.
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There's a very very good chance you have no clue what your talking about.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Why yes they would!!! Bah Gawd we're Tinnersee and coaches are lining up to take this job!!! Name one coach who would ever turn us down... I mean look at the last time we had an opening and nobody turned us down... uhhhhhhh we're tinnersee bah Gawd
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Awesome! Only problem is some people on here will say "hell yea. Ats wut ah been sayin all long" lol
 
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allvol123 said:
What is going in the administration is irrelevant to whether he is a great coach.


Losing to USC and Vandy with a division title on the line and then a Sugar Bowl on the line, overwhelmingly suggest that he is not worth our time to keep around.
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So what's your solution? I think we've all digested those 2 games 999 posts ago.
 
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volmandu said:
There has been a lot of chatter, mostly by people at UT and some media members about unhappiness within coaching staff that lead to a failure of 2016. Here are few things that are being said by some reporters and people at UT. (No insider information here. Just compilation of stuff from Podcasts, informal talks with local media members and UTK students who claim to have heard similar rumblings)

a) Butch is reportedly very unhappy with the lack of AD situation. He has been telling people it has been hurting recruiting and OC hire. The internal promotion is not by choice for Butch, rather outsider big candidates' unwillingness to join the staff without some assurance from AD on stability. Butch has been telling local media members during informal communications to look at staff other SEC teams have assembled. His situation is like he is almost taking a knife to a gun fight against Alabama, comparing the supporting staff.

b) Shoop never fully got support from Martinez, Thigpen or Stripling. The three reportedly felt like Shoop undermined their authority with micromanaging things. Things got worse as the season progressed. Stripling will retire, Martinez will be let go. Thigpen might look elsewhere but Shoop and Butch have tried to convince him to stay due to his recruiting powers.

c) After season Butch did look for other options as he was uncertain about his status once new AD was hired. UT higher-ups assured him that he won't be let go upon hire of new AD.

d) Don Mahoney will be let go after signing day. Azzanni is looking elsewhere and will leave after signing day. Larry Scott will be new OC. Butch has tried to do a CO-OC thing with both but Azzanni wants full control of the offense. Funny as Butch wanted to bring a name but he couldn't land one.

e) The media reports of Butch not willing to relinquish control of offense are wrong.
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All of this is pretty accurate except that Strip and Thig were trying hard to make things work. Martinez pushed back from the onset and created friction. DeBord was very upset about some things that occured towards the end of the season.

The key issue on the Hill right now is that there is a lack of cohesive leadership at the top of the administrative ladder. It is almost dysfunctional in its inability to help the athletic department at this time. Someome needs to take charge and get a plan in place that supports current Athletic Dept. issues and desired strategies. Most important would be to hire an AD. Jones is trying his best to get things moving, but he's not getting much support at the top.
 
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EZE said:
Yeah, nobody would ever think to hire a coach who took over a dumpster fire of a program on and off the field, restored academics, and delivered back to back Top 25 rankings in Years 3 and 4. I just cannot imagine any AD being crazy enough to hire that coach.

Many of you are so deluded you are nuts.
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Exactly! Best post of the thread! Now watch all the negavols come out and roast you!
 
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Evergrenevol said:
All of this is pretty accurate except that Strip and Thig were trying hard to make thungs work. Martinez pushed back from the onset and created friction. DeBord was very upset about some things that occured towards the end of the season.

The key issue on the Hill right now is that there is a lack of cohesive leadership at the top of the administrative ladder. It is almost dysfunctional in its inability to help the athletic department at this time. Someome needs to take charge and get a plan in place that supports current Athletic Dept. issues and desired strategies. Most important would be to hire an AD. Jones is trying his best to get things moving, but he's not getting much support at the top.
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My question, with all this going on, is where is Hart? He's still being paid to be our AD. I know he's a lame duck but if he's taking our money, he needs to step up or get out.
 
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volmandu said:
There has been a lot of chatter, mostly by people at UT and some media members about unhappiness within coaching staff that lead to a failure of 2016. Here are few things that are being said by some reporters and people at UT. (No insider information here. Just compilation of stuff from Podcasts, informal talks with local media members and UTK students who claim to have heard similar rumblings)

a) Butch is reportedly very unhappy with the lack of AD situation. He has been telling people it has been hurting recruiting and OC hire. The internal promotion is not by choice for Butch, rather outsider big candidates' unwillingness to join the staff without some assurance from AD on stability. Butch has been telling local media members during informal communications to look at staff other SEC teams have assembled. His situation is like he is almost taking a knife to a gun fight against Alabama, comparing the supporting staff.
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e) The media reports of Butch not willing to relinquish control of offense are wrong.
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If true (no way to prove one way or another, of course), this would cause enormous anguish to a lot of posters here.

I know, I know, BSIA and all that, but here's another scenario:

[1] Butch thought his staff would be good enough for Tennessee. He soon realized he was wrong.

[2] He did some replacing but still tried to run the offense on game day. He eventually realized he was wrong. (It takes a while to let go of old attitudes and habits.)

[3] He now wants to get someone to run the offense, with more leeway than he used to give, but the AD situation has tied his hands.

There are a lot of folks here who by now have proclaimed so often that CBJ is a stubborn control freak, etc etc, that they pretty much can't rewind a bit and look at things with a more dispassionate eye.

None of us can know what's in his head, despite all the claims by the VN Dr. Phil's. But what we see can be twisted to fit any agenda, with enough time and keystrokes.
 
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Batman1948 said:
My question, with all this going on, is where is Hart? He's still being paid to be our AD. I know he's a lame duck but if he's taking our money, he needs to step up or get out.
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For all intents and purposes he is gone..
 
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I don't believe most of the OP re offensive coordinators. What sort of assurances do they want? Hart IS the athletic director until he isn't--simple as that. I don't buy the fact that we can't find an outside coordinator to take the job. Maybe Jones hasn't found the guy he wants, or got turned down by a guy or two that he wanted, but that is a different story.
 
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I don't know if Butch can lead us to the promise land, but I want him to have his fair shot. If he can take this situation and still get us to a 8-9 win season, honestly it would be pretty incredible. I hope Thig stays and I hope if Strip does retire he takes an administrative position. Good riddance to Martinez and Mahoney and I wouldn't lose sleep over losing Azzanni either. We need to speed up the Blackburn hire process. He needs to be here ASAP.
 
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Bauce said:
All the brains and business acumen on the Hill....and NO common sense. Please sweet 8lbs 7-ounce baby Jesus; save us all
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UT is NOT known as a "Business School"...

It is MOST FAMOUS for Forensics...and there are MANY "dead bodies"...and not just @thebodyfarm! (that thing still on that back hill? I remember many drinks with the folks up there...
 
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Evet Vols said:
I don't understand the delay for AD hire especially with a good option just down the road.
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Because political correctness dictates certain people at UT have an encounter group before making an obviously smart move like hiring Blackburn. Strange how this is not such a priority when screwing up is done swiftly.

I usually don't buy into these rumor threads, but this one rings of business as usual.
 
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volmandu said:
There has been a lot of chatter, mostly by people at UT and some media members about unhappiness within coaching staff that lead to a failure of 2016. Here are few things that are being said by some reporters and people at UT. (No insider information here. Just compilation of stuff from Podcasts, informal talks with local media members and UTK students who claim to have heard similar rumblings)

a) Butch is reportedly very unhappy with the lack of AD situation. He has been telling people it has been hurting recruiting and OC hire. The internal promotion is not by choice for Butch, rather outsider big candidates' unwillingness to join the staff without some assurance from AD on stability. Butch has been telling local media members during informal communications to look at staff other SEC teams have assembled. His situation is like he is almost taking a knife to a gun fight against Alabama, comparing the supporting staff.

b) Shoop never fully got support from Martinez, Thigpen or Stripling. The three reportedly felt like Shoop undermined their authority with micromanaging things. Things got worse as the season progressed. Stripling will retire, Martinez will be let go. Thigpen might look elsewhere but Shoop and Butch have tried to convince him to stay due to his recruiting powers.

c) After season Butch did look for other options as he was uncertain about his status once new AD was hired. UT higher-ups assured him that he won't be let go upon hire of new AD.

d) Don Mahoney will be let go after signing day. Azzanni is looking elsewhere and will leave after signing day. Larry Scott will be new OC. Butch has tried to do a CO-OC thing with both but Azzanni wants full control of the offense. Funny as Butch wanted to bring a name but he couldn't land one.

e) The media reports of Butch not willing to relinquish control of offense are wrong.
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Sorry but this is nothing more than innuendo, opinion, and reading tea leaves. Not substantive.
 
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