Butch makes me nothing but mad now

[VOLINVONORE]

You should get a lot of likes, bravo. Being second in the thread and inviting the sheep is a solid, solid LIKE recipe.

It won't bring back any championships to UT.

PS - stated clearly I'm unimportant and my anger means nothing.

Time for you to play a different tune. Move on.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

I've been one of the most prescient and insightful posters for years on this board. Again, I can laugh at boo-birds because I know exactly how spot-on I've been for years.

I have legitimately thought for two years that Butch would have us competing for the play-offs. I rightly worried about Saturday coaching from the BSiA. Now it's clear that the BSiA doesn't know how to beat a mediocre SEC defense and has no clue how to handle a championship calibre squad.

Further worries are: will the BSiA be able to bring in another championship squad or did the super legacy class inflate their stats?

It's Year Four. Lots of questions. We out of darkness but have quite possibly hit our ceiling. That ceiling is lower than the HoF coach we fired who routinely had to play Spurrier, Richt, Meyer, and Saban.

BSiA BSiA You locked on to a coachspeak phrase and it's become part of your mantra.

I'll give you a new definition. Your endless "I Told You So is BullS#!+ in Action".

 

[MemphisVol77]

Hurd has burnt a bunch of bridges. If he had stayed played hard and got the all time rushing leader record then even if he failed in the NFL he would have had plenty of opportunities in TN. He has hurt his VFL credentials.

That's what kills me the most about it. As a fan I have no sympathy for Hurd.

I stated in a thread a few weeks ago how toxic I thought the outside influence could be on Hurd. He could have finished out this year, got the rushing record, & been a VFL legend. Even if he never went to the NFL he would have had more financially beneficent opportunities than the average player dreams of upon graduation. Speaker fee's, attaching his name to small businesses like a restaurant or a car dealership, etc...

As a person I feel so sorry for him. I truly don't think he realizes the magnitude of what he gave away. For every Ezekiel Elliot there are 10 Maurice Clarette's. Or if not self induced career implosions there are 10 tragic Kijana Carter's. Then of the very select few that do have a pro career, the over whelming majority end up broke within a few years of retirement. Hurd threw all of his security blanket away.

When does a boy become a man? Too philosophical for a football message board and we all had different life experiences that lead to it. For me, and I'd bet allot of us, it's when we started taking personal accountability for our life circumstances and choices.

I think if anything Butch tried too hard to help Hurd. You can't make somebody grow up if you enable selfish behavior. I read several articles from after the bowl game, during the off-season, spring practice, and summer practice where Debord & Butch mentioned the I-Form. The I-Form was always mentioned as a change of pace or an opportunity to get Kamara & Hurd on the field at the same time. I never saw them state they were changing the entire offensive scheme, but I do recall Debord mentioning last year's running success and stating they weren't going to change the entire offensive scheme. Please if someone has a link to an old article (247vols, rockytop news, espn, etc...) where Butch and Debord announce they're changing our scheme to feature Hurd outside the limited scope of what I've mentioned; then please provide the link.

Hurd was one of my favorite RB's I got to enjoy watch play for UT over the past 25+ years. Yes I've got common sense and I can see that Hurd would probably have thrived in a different offense. When the line can't get a push, the QB is inaccurate, and the receivers drop everything I can also see how our offensive problems would have been multiplied this year trying to operate out of a different offense. I don't see how people can continue to propagate the rumor that "Butch & Debord promised they'd change the offense to a pro-set or a an I-form" when I've seen no credible link or reference to validate that. Outside of internet rumor mongering to support it I haven't seen it substantiated.

I just can't have any sympathy for Hurd as a fan. Now as a person I can't help but cringe for that young man. I know what it's like to make impetious or ill thought out decisions. I'm 39 pushing 40 and considering a career change to some kind of mechanical engineering. When I calculate the cost of school or pay cut I'll take apprentacing I cringe remembering the job at very reputable company that offered on job ASE certification and tuition reimbursement. I burned a bridge quitting when I was 18. I'm a man so I'll stick to my part. My boss, co-workers, friends, and family didn't make me quit. I made that decision.

Hurd is yet to speak for himself or take accountability to any degree. It isn't on Butch to give an accounting or explain Hurd's decision.

I don't think Butch is perfect. Hell, maybe I'm wrong and Butch should be fired. Butch sure as hell shouldn't be fired or held responsible over J. Hurd though.

As a person, I sincerely wish Hurd the best. As a UT fan " F' em "

 

[Behr]

You copied that from me.

 

[BanditVol]

(In b4 - the "just enjoy the damn win." No, you don't have to bask in the glory of beating an OVC team when you should be in play-off discussion!! Go win the NIT and have fireside chats with Cuonzo. Bring hot chocolate.)

I think everyone has to share the blame on the Jalen Hurd fiasco but I think the guy making $4M per annum has earned the right to shoulder the vast majority of the blame. Any real coach would have done something about it.

I'm so sick and tired of this paper tiger offense. We know how quickly it will fold like a cheap tent in the wind against even a mediocre SEC defense. Will Vandy completely shut our game down? I said Arkansas was the measuring stick last year - if Butch was in the West right now, oh lawdy. He's tenure has marked the weakest the SECE has ever been since divisional play. Backing into the East this year makes the 2007 Vols look like the 1985 Bears. I strongly defended the 2007 team's right to be there; this one will be hard to defend. Will those who absolutely piled-on the 2007 squad show any consistency?

The con-job against Northwestern will grate on me forever. I hate everything about that now.

The "eff them all" sideline explosion confirms Butch is exactly where Boro-Vol says he is. Any good coach with real confidence laughs at the boo-birds in that situation - understands that every SEC fan base has mouthbreathers, clueless students.

I have been one of Butch's staunchest champions that he does everything right Monday - Friday (I was probably the first to say he's got a lot to prove on Saturdays). However, the super, once-in-a-generation legacy class has inflated his Monday to Friday stats. His recruiting this year, in a banner year for Tennessee talent, is demonstrating he ain't getting it done against the top-6 SEC teams.

The man and his BSiA has fielded two teams that should have competed for the play-offs. Neither will. In any mediocre year for the East, he would not make the SECCG. It would almost be fitting for Florida and LSU not to reschedule.

Doesn't matter that Butch does nothing but make me mad now. I'm not Haslam or Thunder; I'm just one of the guys who keeps folks employed at the alumni office. I'm trying to think what could make me feel like Butch is the man again:

1. Own the Jalen Hurd situation and give the fans a professional accounting of what actually happened
2. Win out convincingly
3. Lock down this state in recruiting; take no verbals as gold and go win back those recruits
4. Show that the gap v Bama wasn't as shocking as we saw in Knoxville (if we do back into the SECCG)
5. Humble yourself before the fanbase that has given you, frankly, what has been an internship and a lot of OJT in a big-time program for $4M per annum

A complete novel. Wow.

1. The Jalen Hurd situation sounds like no one but Jalen's fault.
2. I keep hearing this s--- about a "legacy class". We got who...Dylan Bates, TKJ and the Berry brothers? Exactly how is that a "once in a lifetime" thing? Other than Evan Berry returning kickoffs and TKJ at safety, there have been no big contributions from that group. Was Barnett a legacy? JRM? Sutton? Dobbs? Hurd? Kamara? WTF exactly are you smoking?

Bottom line...Jones has not taken us over the top, but neither are we staring consecutive 5-7 seasons in the face. We are now bowl eligible for the third season in a row for the first time since 2004. That's some serious progress. I like being 8-4/9-3 much, much better than 5-7.

This season is not the final judgment on Butch. Next season will be, and maybe the one after that. Deal with it.

 

[Top Gun]

I can understand the caveat, "It's just Tennessee Tech" and I even expressed my displeasure of needing garbage time to find an effective punt returner. Trying to use a cupcake blowout win as a stage to bemoan the coach and program...and claim special cognitive powers, is a cry for help. :lol: Should save your special stock for the Kentucky juggernaut coming in, that'll challenge your kidneys enough fella.

Juggernaut??? They are better than usual I will say, but juggernaut, c'mon man, juggernaut!! lol

 

[Dudleys87]

What makes you think Coach Jones didn't do something about it? Hurd may have quit on the team, but Hurd didn't quit the team.

If Coach Jones had laughed at the boo-birds the nega-Vols' heads would have exploded. Some people have their mind made up and have committed completely to their agenda. Besides, he only said what the majority of us would like to say to the constantly negative fans.

Northwestern "con job"? You hate everything about that? I suppose you would be happy had we not gone to a bowl game and beat the piss out of our opponent. . . or, better yet, how about no bowl game at all?

How can you presume to know how a recruiting class will be before it has been signed? Ridiculous.

Two teams that should've competed for the play-offs? Good grief.

You would rather the guys on this team not receive credit for what they can accomplish by allowing the UF-LSU game to be cancelled? Seems about right.

Personally I am glad he has not "humbled-himself" before some of the jack-asses that pop-up when things don't go just how they think they should.

I only hope that, when UT is playing in the SEC Championship Game in a few weeks, all the cry-babies have already packed their things, jumped ship, and refuse to return until there is a new coach. Some of us realize things aren't perfect, but are just tired of hearing the constant and irrational crying.

He should humble himself because he can't beat CWM. A less than average head coach with a bare cabinet to work with.

He's had his best team now and is under performing in every aspect. They haven't put a complete game together and no TT doesn't count. Tennessee should have quite a few losses if it weren't for sheer luck and a lot of help for other people.

He beat Florida but at this point it means nothing.

I'll be surprised if Tennessee wins out big or even at all.
Next Tennessee will be worse and Butch will be on his way out along with Shoop.

 

[LargeOrange1]

(In b4 - the "just enjoy the damn win." No, you don't have to bask in the glory of beating an OVC team when you should be in play-off discussion!! Go win the NIT and have fireside chats with Cuonzo. Bring hot chocolate.)

I think everyone has to share the blame on the Jalen Hurd fiasco but I think the guy making $4M per annum has earned the right to shoulder the vast majority of the blame. Any real coach would have done something about it.

I'm so sick and tired of this paper tiger offense. We know how quickly it will fold like a cheap tent in the wind against even a mediocre SEC defense. Will Vandy completely shut our game down? I said Arkansas was the measuring stick last year - if Butch was in the West right now, oh lawdy. He's tenure has marked the weakest the SECE has ever been since divisional play. Backing into the East this year makes the 2007 Vols look like the 1985 Bears. I strongly defended the 2007 team's right to be there; this one will be hard to defend. Will those who absolutely piled-on the 2007 squad show any consistency?

The con-job against Northwestern will grate on me forever. I hate everything about that now.

The "eff them all" sideline explosion confirms Butch is exactly where Boro-Vol says he is. Any good coach with real confidence laughs at the boo-birds in that situation - understands that every SEC fan base has mouthbreathers, clueless students.

I have been one of Butch's staunchest champions that he does everything right Monday - Friday (I was probably the first to say he's got a lot to prove on Saturdays). However, the super, once-in-a-generation legacy class has inflated his Monday to Friday stats. His recruiting this year, in a banner year for Tennessee talent, is demonstrating he ain't getting it done against the top-6 SEC teams.

The man and his BSiA has fielded two teams that should have competed for the play-offs. Neither will. In any mediocre year for the East, he would not make the SECCG. It would almost be fitting for Florida and LSU not to reschedule.

Doesn't matter that Butch does nothing but make me mad now. I'm not Haslam or Thunder; I'm just one of the guys who keeps folks employed at the alumni office. I'm trying to think what could make me feel like Butch is the man again:

1. Own the Jalen Hurd situation and give the fans a professional accounting of what actually happened
2. Win out convincingly
3. Lock down this state in recruiting; take no verbals as gold and go win back those recruits
4. Show that the gap v Bama wasn't as shocking as we saw in Knoxville (if we do back into the SECCG)
5. Humble yourself before the fanbase that has given you, frankly, what has been an internship and a lot of OJT in a big-time program for $4M per annum

Who is going to play you in the movie about your life? Tom Cruise, Liam Neeson, PeeWee Herman? :crazy:

 

[Dudleys87]

Juggernaut??? They are better than usual I will say, but juggernaut, c'mon man, juggernaut!! lol

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they won next week. They're getting better and Tennessee is treading water.

 

[Dudleys87]

1. Salary does not indicate a person should take blame. Hurd was obviously toxic as evidenced by this game.

2. it was 55-0. stfu

How is this game evidence? Tennessee has no business playing TT.


It was TT pump the brakes before you say They are playing good football again.

 

[orangemadam]

Why can't everyone just get past the Hurd cra_?

Let's move on.

P.S. - we probably don't want to play Ala. again.

 

[butchna]

Juggernaut??? They are better than usual I will say, but juggernaut, c'mon man, juggernaut!! lol

I don't use blue font. :shades:

 

[Dudleys87]

I can understand the caveat, "It's just Tennessee Tech" and I even expressed my displeasure of needing garbage time to find an effective punt returner. Trying to use a cupcake blowout win as a stage to bemoan the coach and program...and claim special cognitive powers, is a cry for help. :lol: Should save your special stock for the Kentucky juggernaut coming in, that'll challenge your kidneys enough fella.

Yet, mysteriously, the offense was fine against Florida, a lot of the time against Georgia and Texas A&M.

Blaming the offense is way over simplifying the problem.

They had a hell of a lot of help from a stagnant offense from Florida. They also went away from Calloway to soon.

 

[butchna]

Who is going to play you in the movie about your life? Tom Cruise, Liam Neeson, PeeWee Herman? :crazy:

Split the difference...Tom Herman.

 

[Dudleys87]

Why can't everyone just get past the Hurd cra_?

Let's move on.

P.S. - we probably don't want to play Ala. again.

Cause it will prolly be around as long as the wilks jokes

Your right who wants to get embarrassed again

 

[Brave Volunteer]

God bless! So many of you seriously need to just STFU and let the season play out! We're 3 wins away from a trip to Atlanta (cuz Florida ain't beating LSU) and a possible 10 win season, despite a rash of injuries the likes I have never seen as a Vols fan and major locker room drama. Last night we won big and Florida lost! Anyone who can't be absolutely happy about this weekend needs to see a therapist.

 

[Behr]

Cause it will prolly be around as long as the wilks jokes

Your right who wants to get embarrassed again

I wasn't embarrassed. Won't be. Might be embarrassing to the team to not even get the chance tho.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

(In b4 - the "just enjoy the damn win." No, you don't have to bask in the glory of beating an OVC team when you should be in play-off discussion!! Go win the NIT and have fireside chats with Cuonzo. Bring hot chocolate.)

I think everyone has to share the blame on the Jalen Hurd fiasco but I think the guy making $4M per annum has earned the right to shoulder the vast majority of the blame. Any real coach would have done something about it.

I'm so sick and tired of this paper tiger offense. We know how quickly it will fold like a cheap tent in the wind against even a mediocre SEC defense. Will Vandy completely shut our game down? I said Arkansas was the measuring stick last year - if Butch was in the West right now, oh lawdy. He's tenure has marked the weakest the SECE has ever been since divisional play. Backing into the East this year makes the 2007 Vols look like the 1985 Bears. I strongly defended the 2007 team's right to be there; this one will be hard to defend. Will those who absolutely piled-on the 2007 squad show any consistency?

The con-job against Northwestern will grate on me forever. I hate everything about that now.

The "eff them all" sideline explosion confirms Butch is exactly where Boro-Vol says he is. Any good coach with real confidence laughs at the boo-birds in that situation - understands that every SEC fan base has mouthbreathers, clueless students.

I have been one of Butch's staunchest champions that he does everything right Monday - Friday (I was probably the first to say he's got a lot to prove on Saturdays). However, the super, once-in-a-generation legacy class has inflated his Monday to Friday stats. His recruiting this year, in a banner year for Tennessee talent, is demonstrating he ain't getting it done against the top-6 SEC teams.

The man and his BSiA has fielded two teams that should have competed for the play-offs. Neither will. In any mediocre year for the East, he would not make the SECCG. It would almost be fitting for Florida and LSU not to reschedule.

Doesn't matter that Butch does nothing but make me mad now. I'm not Haslam or Thunder; I'm just one of the guys who keeps folks employed at the alumni office. I'm trying to think what could make me feel like Butch is the man again:

1. Own the Jalen Hurd situation and give the fans a professional accounting of what actually happened
2. Win out convincingly
3. Lock down this state in recruiting; take no verbals as gold and go win back those recruits
4. Show that the gap v Bama wasn't as shocking as we saw in Knoxville (if we do back into the SECCG)
5. Humble yourself before the fanbase that has given you, frankly, what has been an internship and a lot of OJT in a big-time program for $4M per annum

This will probably never be seen because it is so far back in the thread, but I actually have what I think is a valid point to make. I was a big Fulmer supporter, even when it became obvious that he was slipping. I am not dismissing what he accomplished as a coach at Tennessee, and winning a national championship is no easy feat unless your Nick Saban. What I am saying is this; if you go back and check Fulmer's record, it is very good but a lot of the wins came at a time when there were, at best, some mediocre coaches in the conference. When coaches like Spurrier, Saban, Richt, Miles, Meyer took over at their respective schools, Fulmer's record is really bad. And also check out his bowl record against top program coaches. Not good either. If anyone is interested in "checking my stats", just check out Wikipedia. It has all the info there if your willing to spend a little time to check it out. In my opinion, the problem started when a certain individual had way to much influence in picking a replacement for Fulmer. There were many good coaches available to take over the program, but the one chosen had already been found out to be less than he claimed to be as a pro coach. Al Davis figured Kiffin out very quickly and got rid of him. We all know the story from there. Butch may or may not be the guy, only time will tell. He has made some coaching changes and I believe he will make more after this season. Downplay it if you want, but there were an inordinate number of injuries to key personnel on this team and guys I think Butch wanted to redshirt were forced to play when they weren't ready. Stop knocking the coaches and the team. Support them every time they take the field. This thing will work itself out on its own.

 

[RikidyBones]

How is this game evidence? Tennessee has no business playing TT.


It was TT pump the brakes before you say They are playing good football again.

I can't believe I have to spell this out...


it's not who we played. it's how we played, how much fun they had, how much their demeanor changed, etc.

We didn't start slow or lethargic, we didn't look robotic and we had a complete game. As a large portion of our problems throughout the year have been self inflicted, it does mean something to have a complete game even with 3rd stringers in the game.

Some of yall need help seeing the big picture.

 

[Orange Death]

You should get a lot of likes, bravo. Being second in the thread and inviting the sheep is a solid, solid LIKE recipe.

It won't bring back any championships to UT.

PS - stated clearly I'm unimportant and my anger means nothing.

People disagree with me...they must be sheep.

QQ more.

 

[Carl Pickens]

(In b4 - the "just enjoy the damn win." No, you don't have to bask in the glory of beating an OVC team when you should be in play-off discussion!! Go win the NIT and have fireside chats with Cuonzo. Bring hot chocolate.)

I think everyone has to share the blame on the Jalen Hurd fiasco but I think the guy making $4M per annum has earned the right to shoulder the vast majority of the blame. Any real coach would have done something about it.

I'm so sick and tired of this paper tiger offense. We know how quickly it will fold like a cheap tent in the wind against even a mediocre SEC defense. Will Vandy completely shut our game down? I said Arkansas was the measuring stick last year - if Butch was in the West right now, oh lawdy. He's tenure has marked the weakest the SECE has ever been since divisional play. Backing into the East this year makes the 2007 Vols look like the 1985 Bears. I strongly defended the 2007 team's right to be there; this one will be hard to defend. Will those who absolutely piled-on the 2007 squad show any consistency?

The con-job against Northwestern will grate on me forever. I hate everything about that now.

The "eff them all" sideline explosion confirms Butch is exactly where Boro-Vol says he is. Any good coach with real confidence laughs at the boo-birds in that situation - understands that every SEC fan base has mouthbreathers, clueless students.

I have been one of Butch's staunchest champions that he does everything right Monday - Friday (I was probably the first to say he's got a lot to prove on Saturdays). However, the super, once-in-a-generation legacy class has inflated his Monday to Friday stats. His recruiting this year, in a banner year for Tennessee talent, is demonstrating he ain't getting it done against the top-6 SEC teams.

The man and his BSiA has fielded two teams that should have competed for the play-offs. Neither will. In any mediocre year for the East, he would not make the SECCG. It would almost be fitting for Florida and LSU not to reschedule.

Doesn't matter that Butch does nothing but make me mad now. I'm not Haslam or Thunder; I'm just one of the guys who keeps folks employed at the alumni office. I'm trying to think what could make me feel like Butch is the man again:

1. Own the Jalen Hurd situation and give the fans a professional accounting of what actually happened
2. Win out convincingly
3. Lock down this state in recruiting; take no verbals as gold and go win back those recruits
4. Show that the gap v Bama wasn't as shocking as we saw in Knoxville (if we do back into the SECCG)
5. Humble yourself before the fanbase that has given you, frankly, what has been an internship and a lot of OJT in a big-time program for $4M per annum

Dude...... your posts are like an industrial strength mixture of ipecac and Exlax

 

[Volsfan4243]

I am not sure exactly what happened with Hurd because there are so many stories but I am certain CBJ did not want that to happen with 4 games left. I also think it would be very difficult to manage this situation because he is dealing with very young adults who may feel entitled, may be getting bad advice from family, or so much more.

I agree this offense is inconsistent but does show flashes of working very effectively. I think his offense could work with a better offensive line and a QB who is a better passer. I feel that shuffling the offensive line has hurt the overall offense but I don't think DeBord is a great coordinator and the OLine coach and WR coaches should be upgraded. I have not seen game plans consistently attacking weaknesses of other teams and player development. DeBord throws to the TE in the first drive and then never calls a designed play for the TE again. Dobbs was very accurate yesterday but has not developed as a passer in his time here. I love the kid. He is everything you want your son and a football player to be. I wonder what Cutcliffe could have done with him.

I am sure after a season riddled with injuries and the unfortunate loss to SC followed by the Hurd news, no one is more frustrated than Jones. He was up 35-0 and was upset by the defense simulating snap counts. He wanted to go for 6 too but wanted to make sure he scored points. I would be upset too if the fans booed in that situation. The team finally showed up in the first half, were playing hard, were focused, and dominating a team they should dominate. No need to boo him at all. We are all disappointed with the SC loss but he didn't deserve to be booed at home up 35-0.

I am sure Jones is working his ass off recruiting. He knows he needs talent to succeed in the SEC. It is hard to compete with Clemson and a few other teams right now because of their success. We don't have Saban as a coach because Butch is one of the few coaches willing to take over after the Dooley debacle. I know this was his year but injuries and definitely hurt this team. I am not defending him because the inept offense has been more of an issue in games than poor defense, where injuries have been more prevalent.

I agree that he will not win championships here unless he upgrades the offensive staff and tweaks the system.

1. Own the Jalen Hurd situation and give the fans a professional accounting of what actually happened

He doesn't owe the fan base anything and should probably take the high road and not blame or belittle a kid.

2. Win out convincingly

With the injuries on the DL, I just hope they win out. Kentucky can run the ball very well.

3. Lock down this state in recruiting; take no verbals as gold and go win back those recruits

I'm sure he hasn't given up on any recruits and will continue to recruit hard.

4. Show that the gap v Bama wasn't as shocking as we saw in Knoxville (if we do back into the SECCG)

I think the injuries to both lines, having 3 top defensive stars out, the first quarter injuries, and the fourth game is a row against ranked teams had a lot to do with that game.


5. Humble yourself before the fanbase that has given you, frankly, what has been an internship and a lot of OJT in a big-time program for $4M per annum[/QUOTE]

I don't think Jones acts like he is on a pedestal. He seems to genuinely love Tennessee.

I respect his work ethic and I think he is a good man. He has made mistakes but if he is fired, it will set the program back another 4 years.

What top coaches would realistically take this job? Gruden, Peyton, and Lovie are not coming. Hermann will be go to Texas or LSU. Strong could be available but is he an upgrade? Why would Petrino leave Louisville and Lamar? Cutcliffe may be the only guy willing to come back.

I think Jones can win here if he makes changes to the staff. I expected a 10-2 season and matchup in Atlanta for the SEC crown. The SC loss has put that in jeopardy.

I am mostly disappointed that the offense has dissapeared for most of the season. I hope Jones can be successful here because I don't know we have any other options.

I do know he can coach better than anyone on this board and there are lots of things that we are not privy to so we need to respect him and believe he is doing his best. If he fails, changes will be made and rightfully so.

 

[armchair]

Jones has done a lot of good things for the program--but he's naive if he thinks the media is not going to ask questions, if he thinks there is not going to be internet speculation about everything, and if he thinks he's not going to be criticized when the team loses, especially when a loss like the South Carolina game ruins what could have been, perhaps should have been, one of our best seasons in 15 years. This WAS the year to win the SEC east, and we blew it. Maybe we still grease our way in--but with all the injuries I'm not keen to be embarrassed by bama again, frankly.

RE Hurd, if there was a disciplinary or behavior issue, Jones should have just said that and not blown smoke about a lower body injury, which by most accounts was BS (and yet I think Jones continues to make that assertion). Jones is an intense, tightly wound guy--it's a strength and a weakness. This is a tough business--you gotta win games you should win and roll a bit more easily with all the rest. Even when Jones tries to lighten up, he's tight. UT has a great fan base, he knows it. And I still think Jones can take us to the top.

 

[JohnD13]

I've been one of the most prescient and insightful posters for years on this board. Again, I can laugh at boo-birds because I know exactly how spot-on I've been for years.

I have legitimately thought for two years that Butch would have us competing for the play-offs. I rightly worried about Saturday coaching from the BSiA. Now it's clear that the BSiA doesn't know how to beat a mediocre SEC defense and has no clue how to handle a championship calibre squad.

Further worries are: will the BSiA be able to bring in another championship squad or did the super legacy class inflate their stats?

It's Year Four. Lots of questions. We out of darkness but have quite possibly hit our ceiling. That ceiling is lower than the HoF coach we fired who routinely had to play Spurrier, Richt, Meyer, and Saban.

You seem to be channeling D4H.....

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Yet, mysteriously, the offense was fine against Florida, a lot of the time against Georgia and Texas A&M.

Blaming the offense is way over simplifying the problem.

Against Florida, the offense didn't actually start scoring until about 4.00 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. I'm rather astonished at how that went down.

To me, there was nothing special in the offense regarding Georgia. In fact, basically Barnett and Juauan won that game and it took a miracle. Can you imagine if we don't pull off that Hail Mary and where the masses would be now?

I've seen too many times this offense get snapped in half when defenses push into the box. And that's with a Josh Dobbs back there who bails us out of a lot. We saw what happened against Alabama. To say nothing of Appy State and Ohio.