Butch Jones

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knox-townVOL said:
If your QB is a stud, you win. If your QB is not a stud, you don’t win.
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Actually, if your coach can recruit and "Coach Up" your team, you win. You win if your coaches are studs because they do the recruiting and training of great athletes.

It's WAY WAY WAY more important to have a good recruiting coach and a team of great position coaches than it is to have a "stud QB."

Burrow foundationed at OSU under Meyer. As an aside, that Luke Fickell, an Ohio insider, couldn't get an Ohio boy like Burrow to Cinci....... tells you Fickell is not a stud.

That Smart let Justin Fields get away tells you Smart isn't a stud. That no one else in the SEC (save Saban, who didn't need him) could get Fields to stay in the area...... says coaching studs are hard to find in the SEC.

To emphasize that, Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence...... GA boys who went to Clemson, not the SEC, because they wanted to be coached by studs who'd make sure they got what they needed.

UT does not JUST need a great QB to win. UT needs a coaching staff that can not only get those great QBs but also they need a reputation of coaching those QBs to success.

Ask yourself if that's what we have now.
 
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Jones' prob is he benefitted from best legacy class we'll ever see. after thst he was just an average recruiter. hes also a ****ing prick.

he fired his DC and OC. OL always underperformed and couldnt win an SEC E C with best team weve had in decades.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
There's nothing more pathetic than people trying to re-imagine that Butch Jones and / or Derek Dooley were better coaches than they were to put Pruitt down.

You can dislike Pruitt w/o convincing yourself that Butch Jones was OK. He was terrible. He was 0-8 in the SEC in his final year. And the only reason he went 9-4 in '15 and '16 was because of Dobbs and Kamara (who he severely under-utilized). And those 2 teams had playoff-level talent and Butch couldn't even win the East with them. Without Dobbs, Butch has a losing record every season. And let's not even mention the fact that both Dooley and Butch did a lot of long-term harm to the program; Dooley in terms of his terrible recruiting that left the roster depleted. Butch by gutting the S&C program and doing terrible talent evaluation, so that some of his highly-rated recruiting classes were filled with busts.

Is Pruitt good enough to win at Tennessee? I don't know, but he's definitely better than Butch and Dooley.
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Listen, Butch was bad. One of the worst coaches in our history. And by any objective metric, Pruitt is worse.

QB- Yes, Dobbs saved Butch's ass but guess who signed Dobbs? Butch. Pruitt signs a 5*, gives him single digit fall reps, and sits him for games behind a pick 6 machine.

Kamara - Yes he was underutilized but guess who got him here. Butch. Guess who has not recruited anyone of that caliber? Pruitt

Even with Butch's bad talent evaluation, he had recruited more talent than Pruitt. Pruitt's SC hire was curious this offseason as well.

Can I bring up GA State? Even Dooley didnt have that

Butch at least signed a couple of competent DL that can rush the passer

Dooley, Pruitt, and Jones are awful head coaches. Dooley was the worst of the 3 but Jones is the best of this incompetent trio
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
There's nothing more pathetic than people trying to re-imagine that Butch Jones and / or Derek Dooley were better coaches than they were to put Pruitt down.

You can dislike Pruitt w/o convincing yourself that Butch Jones was OK. He was terrible. He was 0-8 in the SEC in his final year. And the only reason he went 9-4 in '15 and '16 was because of Dobbs and Kamara (who he severely under-utilized). And those 2 teams had playoff-level talent and Butch couldn't even win the East with them. Without Dobbs, Butch has a losing record every season. And let's not even mention the fact that both Dooley and Butch did a lot of long-term harm to the program; Dooley in terms of his terrible recruiting that left the roster depleted. Butch by gutting the S&C program and doing terrible talent evaluation, so that some of his highly-rated recruiting classes were filled with busts.

Is Pruitt good enough to win at Tennessee? I don't know, but he's definitely better than Butch and Dooley.
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WRONG.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Listen, Butch was bad. One of the worst coaches in our history. And by any objective metric, Pruitt is worse.

QB- Yes, Dobbs saved Butch's ass but guess who signed Dobbs? Butch. Pruitt signs a 5*, gives him single digit fall reps, and sits him for games behind a pick 6 machine.

Kamara - Yes he was underutilized but guess who got him here. Butch. Guess who has not recruited anyone of that caliber? Pruitt

Even with Butch's bad talent evaluation, he had recruited more talent than Pruitt. Pruitt's SC hire was curious this offseason as well.

Can I bring up GA State? Even Dooley didnt have that

Butch at least signed a couple of competent DL that can rush the passer

Dooley, Pruitt, and Jones are awful head coaches. Dooley was the worst of the 3 but Jones is the best of this incompetent trio
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Sorry, but Pruitt is the worst of the 3. Dooley’s offenses with Bray would put up 50+ on Pruitt, and Pruitt doesn’t have the offense that could keep up.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
Didn’t Butch pass on Trevor Lawrence due to him not fitting his system? Lawrence grew up a TN fan and wanted to sign with the Vols. Without Dobbs, Jones would not have lasted as long as he did in Knoxville.

Regarding the running backs, he also kept Kamara on the bench in favor of Hurd.
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I think Trevor and another big time QB recruit (maybe Hunter Johnson) compared recruiting pitches and they were carbon copies and both decommitted.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Say what you want, but I just watched UT highlights from 2013-2017 on YouTube, and my takeaway was that any one of Butch’s Vol teams would beat this current team by 4 TDs

My other takeaway was that Dobbs might be one of the best QBs we’ve had since Manning. I should’ve appreciated him more.

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I would agree with 2013-2016, but you're forgetting about some really bad football in 2017... especially on the offensive end. We barely beat UMass, as I recall. The playmaking ability of Dobbs definitely covered for what was really a very simplistic and predictable offense, which was too finesse oriented for the SEC.

... but having said that, the 2015 team was pretty good (if they had just held on to those 4th quarter leads vs Oklahoma and Florida, we would probably look at Butch much differently).
 
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The Original Fade said:
Sorry, but Pruitt is the worst of the 3. Dooley’s offenses with Bray would put up 50+ on Pruitt, and Pruitt doesn’t have the offense that could keep up.
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Gonna disagree with you here. As bad as Pruitt is, he won more SEC games last year than Dooley did his entire time here. Dooley went an entire recruiting cycle without signing an OL.

I criticize Pruitt for not making Nashville a recruiting priority but Dooley nuked in-state recruiting ties..
 
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Matt2496 said:
At least Butch Jones had the competence to play Josh Dobbs. If Pruitt was in charge while Josh Dobbs was here, he would've been benched because he didn't practice well enough.
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And not play Alvin KaMara .... let’s chock this up to blind luck not competence.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Sorry, but Pruitt is the worst of the 3. Dooley’s offenses with Bray would put up 50+ on Pruitt, and Pruitt doesn’t have the offense that could keep up.
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Agreed. Big picture wise, it’s probably (worst to bad but not the worst) Pruitt, Dooley, Jones.
In game coaching with results, it’s Pruitt, Jones, Dooley—putting jones behind Dooley purely on the fact he went 0-8, something Dooley didn’t do.
Ability to actually talk and inspire confidence: Pruitt, and Dooley/Jones by a mile.
But the best coach of all time in terms of teaching me good hygiene tips and hand goggles: Dooley (who doesn’t miss the weirdness??)
 
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Jones has been more successful as a head coach than Pruitt, but that’s really not saying much. Butch struck gold with Dobbs or he probably would of been gone sooner. Let’s not forget the man turned away Trevor Lawrence, wasted Kamara on the bench, recruited small lineman that weren’t going to work in the SEC, should I go on?
 
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#96
This thread i is so VOLNATION. I was waiting to see this. Wasn't sure if Dooley or Jones was going to be the hated coach that comes back as the fan favorite. Guess it's Jones first.

This same group of "fans" HATED Butch Jones by his last couple years. HATED. Couldn't say enough bad about him and his staff. Players were not liking him and transferring.

Now all of a sudden Jones reappears as someone everyone seemingly is embracing. Total crap!

Jones was every bit as bad as Pruitt to date. He was the first VOL coach to EVER lose 8 games in one season and he did that in the SEC alone (0-8). Now all of a sudden he is not a bad coach? Pure rubbish folks.
 
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You aren't wrong in your two statements:

1. Butch would have beaten the 2020 team by 4 TDs just like everyone beat them after our second game of the season.

2. Dobbs is very unappreciated around here.
 
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1982Alum said:
This thread i is so VOLNATION. I was waiting to see this. Wasn't sure if Dooley or Jones was going to be the hated coach that comes back as the fan favorite. Guess it's Jones first.

This same group of "fans" HATED Butch Jones by his last couple years. HATED. Couldn't say enough bad about him and his staff. Players were not liking him and transferring.

Now all of a sudden Jones reappears as someone everyone seemingly is embracing. Total crap!

Jones was every bit as bad as Pruitt to date. He was the first VOL coach to EVER lose 8 games in one season and he did that in the SEC alone (0-8). Now all of a sudden he is not a bad coach? Pure rubbish folks.
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Your reading comprehension skills are like Pruitt's halftime adjustments. No one is saying Jones is a good coach. There are several posters (myself included) who are saying that while Butch was an awful coach, Pruitt is actually worse.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Say what you want, but I just watched UT highlights from 2013-2017 on YouTube, and my takeaway was that any one of Butch’s Vol teams would beat this current team by 4 TDs

My other takeaway was that Dobbs might be one of the best QBs we’ve had since Manning. I should’ve appreciated him more.

Thoughts?
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People sleep on Josh man. He was awesome
 
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The Original Fade said:
Sorry, but Pruitt is the worst of the 3. Dooley’s offenses with Bray would put up 50+ on Pruitt, and Pruitt doesn’t have the offense that could keep up.
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The 2011 offense is probably the worst we have ever had... and I understand that you will just say that was due to Bray's finger injury, and if I hadn't actually watched the games, I might even buy it. Your memory is either selective or it just plain sucks. Here is a refresher of "scores of interest" from 2011, just in case it's the latter:

LSU 38
Tennessee 7

Tennessee 6
Alabama 37

South Carolina 14
Tennessee 3

Tennessee 7
Arkansas 49

Tennessee 7
Kentucky 10

Tennessee scored 7 points or less in five different games in 2011 and that includes the pathetic loss to Kentucky which ended a 26 game winning streak.
 
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