Butch deserves NO Raise and NO extension

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Brasszilla said:
dude YOU brought up harbaugh being able to turn michigan around quicker, implying that he is instant success. i was merely providing factual, numerical evidence that he wasn't any more successful in his first 3 years than butch. don't be insulted by the comparison you created
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I brought it up as proof that it doesn't take six years to build a program. And anyone who thinks Butch's first three years here have been more impressive than Harbaugh's first three at Stanford is uninformed or stupid.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I brought it up as proof that it doesn't take six years to build a program. And anyone who thinks Butch's first three years here have been more impressive than Harbaugh's first three at Stanford is uninformed or stupid.
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wanna be any more of an a**? geeze. did i say that butch has been more impressive? no. but whats the impressive part? because butch already has won as many games as jim did in their first 3 years and butch still has 3 more games left this season. but shoot, its really tough to discuss all this when it goes from being about wins, just win, beat bama and florida, win 10 games a year min to keep his job to how we won. we didn't beat them convincingly enough. gotta score 40 and shut out every team. sounds like someone just wants to argue in circles...
 
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Volmart said:
What do you mean he's done nothing????
We've been competitive in every game we've played this year!!!
We're bowl eligible faster than we've been in many years!!!
We have a chance at our best W/L record in almost a decade!!!
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One could also argue that if it wasn't for moronic coaching decisions in the Oklahoma and Florida games, we would, at worst, be 8-2 right now.
 
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What is the reason people would even want to give Jones a raise or extension? He's not going to get a better offer, so what are we trying to accomplish?
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
IF we finish 8-4 he should get a minimal bump and 1 yr extention to show recruits the AD has faith in him.
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Why? It prolongs the agony. Butch Jones has proven on the field time and time again that he CANNOT get it done at this level. If he would be willing to change his philosophy on offense and hire some coordinators that can actually coach instead of hiring yes men who are just grateful to have a job, he could probably make it. Trouble is, I doubt any coordinator that is worth a dime wants to coach for him.
 
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ncvol004 said:
He is improving week too week year to year he has done a remarkable job at recruiting we should be 8-4 @ a bowl win having us at 9 butch will have schools drooling over his recruiting and teams improvements. We need to lock him down let his plan work out I think were not to far away
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I'll take what your smoking. Obviously you haven't watched the past two games. Barely beat a pitiful SC, and looked like a pile of **** against North Texas.
 
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volfanbill said:
How in demand is a guy that's improved by four wins in three years? Name one job that would actually be better than this one that's going to consider him?
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Its not just the 4 wins in 3 years, its the state of the program overall. Remember, Dools team quit on him...flat out quit. Recruiting was bottoming out and there was a legitimate sense that UT was snake bitten and unable or unwilling to turn it around. We are now, in 3 years, hoping for 9 wins and a third consecutive top notch recruiting class. There is optimism surrounding the program, expectations are rising (which is good), and Vols fans are arguing over whether or not 8 or 9 wins should merit a raise or an extension for its architect. As for who might want that? Well that's a good question...I certainly think there are teams out there that would.
Look, Im not saying we should build Jones a statue outside of the stadium or rename a street, I am just saying that a nine win season would indicate that we have a far better program than the one he took over, and that would merit - in my opinion - rewarding.:good!:
 
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LA Vol said:
Jim Harbaugh made $1.25M annually for taking Stanford from a 1-11 team to #4 in the country.

CBJ will make $3.7M minimum this year for taking UT from 5-7 to 8-4 (assuming a win-out), unranked to unranked. By any standard, in any conference, CBJ is well-compensated commensurate to performance. Let it ride and see what he can do next year.
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That's not really a fair comparison. You do realize that in 2007, when Harbaugh was hired, there were only 5 coaches in all of college football — Meyer, Miles, Saban, Stoops and Ferentz — that made over $3 million per year? Only about a dozen were making $2 million or more at that time. The market has changed quite a bit since then. Hell, this year alone there are 16 coaches make more than $4 million annually.
 
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thebjd said:
I get the sentiment but don't understand why there is a thread on this topic. Are there rumors of a pay increase or extensions
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According to Football Scoop, there are rumors of an extension. I have no idea how reliable of a source Football Scoop is...

FootballScoop Staff ‏@FootballScoop Nov 19
FootballScoop Staff Retweeted Chris Low
Have heard that if they win 8, as administration expects, they would like to extend Butch again.


https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/667354785083854848
 
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Bluetic said:
Its not just the 4 wins in 3 years, its the state of the program overall. Remember, Dools team quit on him...flat out quit. Recruiting was bottoming out and there was a legitimate sense that UT was snake bitten and unable or unwilling to turn it around. We are now, in 3 years, hoping for 9 wins and a third consecutive top notch recruiting class. There is optimism surrounding the program, expectations are rising (which is good), and Vols fans are arguing over whether or not 8 or 9 wins should merit a raise or an extension for its architect. As for who might want that? Well that's a good question...I certainly think there are teams out there that would.
Look, Im not saying we should build Jones a statue outside of the stadium or rename a street, I am just saying that a nine win season would indicate that we have a far better program than the one he took over, and that would merit - in my opinion - rewarding.:good!:
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Expectations were rising with Dooley. You're wrong, it is just wins. Only four extra wins in three years. Name a better opportunity that will seek him
 
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He's signed through 2020, so he can sincerely tell any 16 recruit that he'll be there throughout their career, so no need to extend the contract. If anything, give him a slight bump to move him from 9th in the SEC up into the top half of the conference which would be about a 6% raise.
 
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flatiron said:
That's not really a fair comparison. You do realize that in 2007, when Harbaugh was hired, there were only 5 coaches in all of college football — Meyer, Miles, Saban, Stoops and Ferentz — that made over $3 million per year? Only about a dozen were making $2 million or more at that time. The market has changed quite a bit since then. Hell, this year alone there are 16 coaches make more than $4 million annually.
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I quoted Harbaugh's compensation for 2011, not 2007. But I agree, the market has changed. My point wasn't really about Harbaugh per se-- it was about a coach's compensation relative to performance.

Let's look at current numbers and eliminate names to avoid potential bias. In 2015, UT's coach is the 23rd highest paid coach out of 128 NCAA coaches. His record/resume is not the 23rd best out of those 128. My point is simply that UT's coach is fairly compensated for his performance to date. Throwing money at him isn't going to make him perform better. It isn't going to make him win more games and it isn't going to impact recruiting or player development. What it does do is unnecessarily increase UT's risk for no reward.
 
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volfanbill said:
Expectations were rising with Dooley. You're wrong, it is just wins. Only four extra wins in three years. Name a better opportunity that will seek him
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If its just the wins, then ok. How many? 10? How many would it take for you to think he deserved the raise? The better the pay, the better the opportunity. If he wins 9 games, there COULD be several teams that would pay what we do and they would love to win 9 games! Look around at the teams that are already available. Miami, Auburn possibly, LSU possibly, USC (east and west), Mizzou, etc. We aren't even to the "coaching carousel" period yet. You really don't think ANYONE will look for a proven recruiter who has demonstrated he can win 9 games in the SEC and make progress each year? That's what they are all looking for. Ill throw in Texas. Can you imagine Butch recruiting in that position? He would routinely lock up top 3 classes and eventually win a title with it. I think if he wins 9 games he deserves a raise...you don't. No problem.
 
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Bluetic said:
If its just the wins, then ok. How many? 10? How many would it take for you to think he deserved the raise? The better the pay, the better the opportunity. If he wins 9 games, there COULD be several teams that would pay what we do and they would love to win 9 games! Look around at the teams that are already available. Miami, Auburn possibly, LSU possibly, USC (east and west), Mizzou, etc. We aren't even to the "coaching carousel" period yet. You really don't think ANYONE will look for a proven recruiter who has demonstrated he can win 9 games in the SEC and make progress each year? That's what they are all looking for. Ill throw in Texas. Can you imagine Butch recruiting in that position? He would routinely lock up top 3 classes and eventually win a title with it. I think if he wins 9 games he deserves a raise...you don't. No problem.
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You must be forgetting how we lost Oklahoma and Florida? Remember the three week span when Lyle was the laughingstock of college football?
 
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Bluetic said:
If its just the wins, then ok. How many? 10? How many would it take for you to think he deserved the raise? The better the pay, the better the opportunity. If he wins 9 games, there COULD be several teams that would pay what we do and they would love to win 9 games! Look around at the teams that are already available. Miami, Auburn possibly, LSU possibly, USC (east and west), Mizzou, etc. We aren't even to the "coaching carousel" period yet. You really don't think ANYONE will look for a proven recruiter who has demonstrated he can win 9 games in the SEC and make progress each year? That's what they are all looking for. Ill throw in Texas. Can you imagine Butch recruiting in that position? He would routinely lock up top 3 classes and eventually win a title with it. I think if he wins 9 games he deserves a raise...you don't. No problem.
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Literally none of those schools you mentioned would be willing to hire him at this juncture in is career.
 
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