Butch Davis or bust

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I have been thinking and I know this may stir a lot of people up, but I think it needs to be Butch Davis to replace Fulmer or no one else. If we do a replacement we need to get a guarantee that we will be hiring someone that will be better than what we have. I know the state of the program has been stale for a while and Fulmer is stubborn and wont let the best talent on the field, but is there any reason to make a change just to do so. Clawsons offense has not been very good this year, but he has not also been able to put players he has picked out to run his it. Next year could be a different story if Fulmer and Clawson stay. The players will have a full year and offseason under the same offense. I honestly think if we are not guaranteed something better we should just stick with what we have.


There is a chance that we do finish 7-5. Alabama and either Georgia or Florida have a chance to get automatic BCS bids. Which means if we are 7-5 we could get a bowl like cotton or peach. I dont think it will happen but its not out of reach. If we did go to 7-5 win a bowl game it may be hard to make a change.
 
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Going to cost a lot of money. I say at least $3.25 million. He's a Sexton client and the trendy name this year. Not only that, his school is going to try and keep him. If its going to cost Saban money to get a coach, he better come with the Saban guarantee.

If you want to see a crappy program with a ridicules paid coach see Iowa. It happens. If we were the only big program in the hunt you may be able to get him from UNC without overpaying. There are only a few guarantees each year and even then, only certain teams can negotiate a deal to land them. There are far better coaches not on the market currently who would require only a little more money and who are less risk.
 
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I like butch davis and wont be mad at the hire, but Im not sold it is him or nothing.
Not sure what his staying power would be.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
He is. If he comes we'll keep our recruits and he'll keep us loaded and in good shape even if he leaves after 3 or four years.
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I don't think we're in need of a short term fix, when we hire, we need to be looking long term. 10+ years.
 
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butch davis isnt leaving UNC; it's not a money thing. he wants the challenge of seeing if he can turn a terrible team into a powerhouse and is going to stick with them till he gets bored or tired of it
 
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Vols N Shocks said:
I don't think we're in need of a short term fix, when we hire, we need to be looking long term. 10+ years.
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Look at it like this if he leaves and the cupboard is full then we go after a young hot coach like Florida did with Urban Meyer. That keeps us from having a big drop off. We can ill afford to give Saban, Meyer, Richt, and Miles another year recruiting like they have. We need an experienced coach for now. Because like it or not there is a lot of work to do as far as recruiting and rebuilding on offense.
 
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chavisut said:
A short term fix would be fine. We don't have to find the next Fulmer in this hire IMO.
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A short term fix at Tennessee IS a 10 year guy...look at the terms of the people that have risen to HC here...no one year wonders (MCDonald the exception and that was a different era..) have even been considered EVER...nor should they be~~

another general question...why would Davis be considered to be "better" than Fulmer?
 
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TrueOrange said:
butch davis isnt leaving UNC; it's not a money thing. he wants the challenge of seeing if he can turn a terrible team into a powerhouse and is going to stick with them till he gets bored or tired of it
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We're not that good from a talent point on offense. Looking at our team on offense how many players would play on their offense? All I can see is one: D. Moore. Yes this includes G.Jones. Don't give me that he would play stuff because I want to know what position would he play down there? Tell me.
 
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JohnnyBall said:
A short term fix at Tennessee IS a 10 year guy...look at the terms of the people that have risen to HC here...no one year wonders (MCDonald the exception and that was a different era..) have even been considered EVER...nor should they be~~

another general question...why would Davis be considered to be "better" than Fulmer?
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Our problems aren't going to take a good coach 10 years to fix.
 
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JohnnyBall said:
We HAVE talent..we need fresh ideas..They dont need a quick fix...Davis is a quick fix...he's 57...he's NOT STAYING (or coming IMO) to Tennessee
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Well I'm saying we don't have to find the next Fulmer in this hire. We don't have to find our next coach for the next 15 years in this hire.

If we don't get a quick fix, won't the talent we HAVE be wasted.
 
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chavisut said:
Well I'm saying we don't have to find the next Fulmer in this hire. We don't have to find our next coach for the next 15 years in this hire.

If we don't get a quick fix, won't the talent we HAVE be wasted.
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in fact, we don't really want another 15 year coach. They just struggle to keep the fire for that long of a period and that's completely understandable.

10 years is more than enough with a single coach. 15 would probably be about the outside range for me as AD.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
We're not that good from a talent point on offense. Looking at our team on offense how many players would play on their offense? All I can see is one: D. Moore. Yes this includes G.Jones. Don't give me that he would play stuff because I want to know what position would he play down there? Tell me.
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i'm not sure how that relates to what you quoted from me, other than that you might be saying that we're bad enough that we should be at a level to be considered a typically poor team year in and out?

Davis wants at UNC to see if he can have success and make them into a big powerhouse name like UF or LSU or Mich, OSU or others: to the point where the team gets national media coverage. It's the same as to why spurrier went to So Car, he probably could have gotten a better, more $$ job at a bigger school, but he wanted to see if in a few years of coaching he could make the gamecocks into not only a formidable opponent, but a powerhouse, winning championships, yearly 10 win seasons and such.

as far as our players in UNC's offense? I havent been able to see UNC play too much this year so i dont know the offense they run nor it strengths, weaknesses,etc. But yeah, we really dont have a very good offense, but really this was thought to be a rebuilding year and that's what it turned out to be
 
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TrueOrange said:
i'm not sure how that relates to what you quoted from me, other than that you might be saying that we're bad enough that we should be at a level to be considered a typically poor team year in and out?

Davis wants at UNC to see if he can have success and make them into a big powerhouse name like UF or LSU or Mich, OSU or others: to the point where the team gets national media coverage. It's the same as to why spurrier went to So Car, he probably could have gotten a better, more $$ job at a bigger school, but he wanted to see if in a few years of coaching he could make the gamecocks into not only a formidable opponent, but a powerhouse, winning championships, yearly 10 win seasons and such.

as far as our players in UNC's offense? I havent been able to see UNC play too much this year so i dont know the offense they run nor it strengths, weaknesses,etc. But yeah, we really dont have a very good offense, but really this was thought to be a rebuilding year and that's what it turned out to be
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It shows how just how far from the elite class we've fallen.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
It shows how just how far from the elite class we've fallen.
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oh, ok. I see your point; but we're not at the point where we're either predicted to win only 2-4 games a year b/c we care more about basketball (UNC), we're just expected to be a middle of the road tier team at this point - actually still higher than that for a few more years - not a bottom dweller like duke & unc were along with such others
 
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TrueOrange said:
oh, ok. I see your point; but we're not at the point where we're either predicted to win only 2-4 games a year b/c we care more about basketball (UNC), we're just expected to be a middle of the road tier team at this point - actually still higher than that for a few more years - not a bottom dweller like duke & unc were along with such others
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Yeah there were years Florida and Tenn. could switch out players on offense. Now Florida has enough players on their second team to be more explosive than us on offense.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
Yeah there were years Florida and Tenn. could switch out players on offense. Now Florida has enough players on their second team to be more explosive than us on offense.
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A national championship and endless media love from ESPN will do that....really the latter even more so than the former
 
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