Butch and Dobbs

[butchna]

I bet you're lying...

I have proof!

 

[American Pig]

He had his start vs Alabama @ home --- failed big time and he wont see the field again unless Dobbs gets hurt - after this season his odds are much worse. He could probably start at a place like Memphis but he isnt an SEC caliber Qb

That's cute. Ignorant, but cute. Peterman didn't fail at Bama. The gametime was scripted and announced before the game. Apparently you failed to pay attention (see the pattern?).

Your objection failed Mikey. Now pick a number and get in line.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

This is as good as the pansies thread.

It's getting there.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'm not gonna get into a long drawn out debate with you over this, I don't have the time nor the patience. The simple fact is that the staff made the decision to name Peterman the #2 based on what they saw in practice at the time. Has nothing to do with how Dobbs has played so far. The fact is that prior to the season Peterman was named the backup. If Dobbs had of demonstrated in practice how he has played so far, I can bet there would have been no consideration of a red shirt. He may have even been the starter. As a matter of fact I bet that they had planned on red shirting either him or Peterman based on what they saw in preseason practice.

Your making the argument that no one can know for sure if Peterman won it fair and square because, as far as you know, no one on the staff came out and said it. The same argument can be made the other way also.

Its all conjecture. But on the literal side, CBJ and staff named Peterman the #2. To me, that pretty much says that Peterman won the job.

That line of thinking blows up all the Ecred around here.

All the proof I need is Peterman went out there 1st. Dobbs 2nd. Dobbs did better and passed Peterman to go to the QB1 spot.

If Dobbs was ahead of Peterman he would have played 1st.

Now as neGAVol says. Who cares!?!? It's pretty obvious who the better QB is now.

 

[butchna]

That's cute. Ignorant, but cute. Peterman didn't fail at Bama. The gametime was scripted and announced before the game. Apparently you failed to pay attention (see the pattern?).

Your objection failed Mikey. Now pick a number and get in line.

So if they won't let Peterman get the experience now...when are they planning to?

 

[American Pig]

Can you expalin that one more time - I didnt see it posted

OK. Butch knows the truth about Dobbs history of very poor passing accuracy, and interceptions that caused him to demote Dobbs to #3. He also knows what happened in preseason camp, where Peterman won the #2 position by a wide margin.

Butch has serious reservations about the situation that the fanbase and reporters cannot understand because of their limited information and experience.

 

[GAVol]

OK. Butch knows the truth about Dobbs history of very poor passing accuracy, and interceptions that caused him to demote Dobbs to #3. He also knows what happened in preseason camp, where Peterman won the #2 position by a wide margin.

Butch has serious reservations about the situation that the fanbase and reporters cannot understand because of their limited information and experience.

That's plausible. But aren't you making some of the same assumptions that you're wigging out about others making?

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Hey look. It's this. Again.

Who cares who was 2 or 3 or 2a and 2b? Why is it even a debate worth worrying about when it's clear who 1 is right now?

This.
At this point it's become arguing for the sake of arguing.
Dumb.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Prove it. If that were true then there would be a statement from a coach somewhere, sometime backing it up.

You really want to believe that after Dobbs did not win the starting job over Worley that the staff really wanted to burn a year of his eligibility playing mop up?

Peterman already RS'd.

Except when it came time to say it by action... they did. They said "Dobbs" is the guy who gives us the best chance to win after Worley.



Dobbs had not RS'd. Peterman had. Dobbs could not simultaneously be the back up and take a RS.

Damn, your thick headed. Its already been proven. They named Peterman #2 on the depth chart! What the hell else do you want?

Are you seriously gonna try to convince me and everyone else here that if Dobbs would have practiced/demonstrated how he has played so far that he wouldn't have either been the starter, had packages put in for him or at the very least named the back up right off the bat? Come on! They certainly would not have wasted downs playing Peterman just because.

Going into the spring the staff stated multiple times that there was going to be a QB competition and who ever performed best would be listed on the depth chart accordingly.

I stand corrected on Peterman being redshirted.

At any rate I'm just gonna let you be right.

 

[butchna]

Damn, your thick headed. Its already been proven. They named Peterman #2 on the depth chart! What the hell else do you want?

Are you seriously gonna try to convince me and everyone else here that if Dobbs would have practiced/demonstrated how he has played so far that he wouldn't have either been the starter, had packages put in for him or at the very least named the back up right off the bat? Come on! They certainly would not have wasted downs playing Peterman just because.

Going into the spring the staff stated multiple times that there was going to be a QB competition and who ever performed best would be listed on the depth chart accordingly.

I stand corrected on Peterman being redshirted.

At any rate I'm just gonna let you be right.

Wanting Peterman to get redshirted TWICE did damage your credibility. :wink2: Now you have to work TWICE as hard to regain our trust. :ermm:

 

[BeecherVol]

I think the OP is wondering about Butch's unwillingness to shower praise on Dobbs. My answer is directly relevant to the question and consistent with what I have argued all along. Butch is not blind to the problems that led to Dobbs demotion to number 3 - and that is exactly what happened. Butch is also concerned that the 'inconsistency' is still a major problem - despite the starry eyed fanbase and reporters unwilling to accept that reality.

But yet when the time came to replace a starter he went with Dobbs.

You realize we were past the gauntlet of big time defenses after Bama correct? I remember that being an excuse for why Jones trotted Dobbs out over Peterman 2 weeks ago.
We just played one of the worst defenses on the schedule with 2 more coming up. If Butch has the concerns you do about Dobbs, Peterman (and his pin point accuracy) will get some meaningful snaps and a fair shot to compete against inferior talent from a fairness stand point. If he does your point will have some truth about Jones and his concerns. If he doesnt, your speculation will ring invalid and hollow.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Let's debate who was ahead on the depth chart.
Brandon Stewart or Petyon Manning?
It's just as relevant as this current debate.

 

[American Pig]

So if they won't let Peterman get the experience now...when are they planning to?

Great questions - the million dollar question.
I don't know. There never seems to be a good time in this conference. Hence, Butch's predicament. I believe this is what he was trying to communicate to the reporters. They don't see all that he sees. They just see the 'good Dobbs' perform well in a couple games, while Butch sees a body of work that they don't know about. Butch also understands the historical narrative. He knows Peterman doesn't suck, but is a remarkably accurate passer that has never settled into a game. That is very different from what the fans believe is true. Butch has to deal in reality, while the fans just follow hype.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

OK. Butch knows the truth about Dobbs history of very poor passing accuracy, and interceptions that caused him to demote Dobbs to #3. He also knows what happened in preseason camp, where Peterman won the #2 position by a wide margin.

Butch has serious reservations about the situation that the fanbase and reporters cannot understand because of their limited information and experience.

It is possible that Dobbs has improved, you know.

News flash: we aren't in preseason camp. Its no longer about how well you threw in passing drills in April, its how good you look when your number is called in a game and Dobbs clearly takes the cake.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Great questions - the million dollar question.
I don't know. There never seems to be a good time in this conference. Hence, Butch's predicament. I believe this is what he was trying to communicate to the reporters. They don't see all that he sees. They just see the 'good Dobbs' perform well in a couple games, while Butch sees a body of work that they don't know about. Butch also understands the historical narrative. He knows Peterman doesn't suck, but is a remarkably accurate passer that has never settled into a game. That is very different from what the fans believe is true. Butch has to deal in reality, while the fans just follow hype.

The "good Dobbs" is better than we have ever seen from Peterman. Which is why he is playing and Peterman is not.

 

[GAVol]

Great questions - the million dollar question.
I don't know. There never seems to be a good time in this conference. Hence, Butch's predicament. I believe this is what he was trying to communicate to the reporters. They don't see all that he sees. They just see the 'good Dobbs' perform well in a couple games, while Butch sees a body of work that they don't know about. Butch also understands the historical narrative. He knows Peterman doesn't suck, but is a remarkably accurate passer that has never settled into a game. That is very different from what the fans believe is true. Butch has to deal in reality, while the fans just follow hype.

If that's the case, why wouldn't they have brought Peterman back in for a series or two against Alabama to get snaps under his belt? Did the score being just close enough somewhat paint Butch into a corner? Not arguing- asking a legitimate question.

 

[508mikey]

That's cute. Ignorant, but cute. Peterman didn't fail at Bama. The gametime was scripted and announced before the game. Apparently you failed to pay attention (see the pattern?).

Your objection failed Mikey. Now pick a number and get in line.

you have failed again Mrs Peterman - the Bama game was at Neyland - he failed badly - if the first 2 series would have amounted to points - I bet he would have remaiined in the game - script or not --- admit it he isnt an SEC QB -

 

[GrowVol]

Prove it. If that were true then there would be a statement from a coach somewhere, sometime backing it up.

You really want to believe that after Dobbs did not win the starting job over Worley that the staff really wanted to burn a year of his eligibility playing mop up?

Peterman already RS'd.

Except when it came time to say it by action... they did. They said "Dobbs" is the guy who gives us the best chance to win after Worley.



Dobbs had not RS'd. Peterman had. Dobbs could not simultaneously be the back up and take a RS.

Funny....back then, you claimed that certain players where starters AS OF FACT, based on the limited media sessions given throughout Fall Camp. Could you have PROVED it then?

 

[BeecherVol]

Great questions - the million dollar question.
I don't know. There never seems to be a good time in this conference. Hence, Butch's predicament. I believe this is what he was trying to communicate to the reporters. They don't see all that he sees. They just see the 'good Dobbs' perform well in a couple games, while Butch sees a body of work that they don't know about. Butch also understands the historical narrative. He knows Peterman doesn't suck, but is a remarkably accurate passer that has never settled into a game. That is very different from what the fans believe is true. Butch has to deal in reality, while the fans just follow hype.

No time like the present. USCs defense was horrific, UK is pretty terrible, Mizzou is decent, Vandy is bad. It has set up perfect for a coming out party.

So far he didnt get an invitation to the first gig and appears he ll miss the second one as well. What is Jones waiting for?

 

[GAVol]

you have failed again Mrs Peterman - the Bama game was at Neyland - he failed badly - if the first 2 series would have amounted to points - I bet he would have remaiined in the game - script or not --- admit it he isnt an SEC QB -

Honestly, I still don't think you can really say definitively what Peterman is or isn't.

 

[BeecherVol]

Honestly, I still don't think you can really say definitively what Peterman is or isn't.

Right now we know he practices well, has minimal experience, and what little bit he has is something you dont want to remember. Doesnt mean he is a bust, doesnt mean he cant perform on Saturdays in the future. It just means he hasnt so far.

 

[American Pig]

But yet when the time came to replace a starter he went with Dobbs.

You realize we were past the gauntlet of big time defenses after Bama correct? I remember that being an excuse for why Jones trotted Dobbs out over Peterman 2 weeks ago.
We just played one of the worst defenses on the schedule with 2 more coming up. If Butch has the concerns you do about Dobbs, Peterman (and his pin point accuracy) will get some meaningful snaps and a fair shot to compete against inferior talent from a fairness stand point. If he does your point will have some truth about Jones and his concerns. If he doesnt, your speculation will ring invalid and hollow.

Spare me the BS excuses Beecher. The fact is Peterman won the number 2 spot. A mountain of evidence supports that fact. All the evidence supports that fact. If you want to lie to yourself and write your own narrative, that's your prerogative, but I'm not an idiot. I follow the evidence - evidence you consistently ignore and never answered.

Don't pretend your rank speculations about recent coaching decisions are evidence that overturn well-established facts, while the solid facts and evidence I laid out are 'speculation'. You only indict yourself and lose my respect.

 

[American Pig]

you have failed again Mrs Peterman - the Bama game was at Neyland - he failed badly - if the first 2 series would have amounted to points - I bet he would have remaiined in the game - script or not --- admit it he isnt an SEC QB -

Tell me where I failed? You can't.

Now run along spanky. Sore losers are a dime a dozen.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Prove it. If that were true then there would be a statement from a coach somewhere, sometime backing it up.

You really want to believe that after Dobbs did not win the starting job over Worley that the staff really wanted to burn a year of his eligibility playing mop up?

Peterman already RS'd.

Except when it came time to say it by action... they did. They said "Dobbs" is the guy who gives us the best chance to win after Worley.



Dobbs had not RS'd. Peterman had. Dobbs could not simultaneously be the back up and take a RS.

One more thing before I let you be right. Since your so into proof and quotes, please show us the quote/proof where CBJ and staff said: "We are gonna go ahead and name Peterman the backup because Dobbs is gonna redshirt, even though he (Dobbs) is the better QB." You can't because it has never been said. Your whole argument is based on conjecture, just like everyone else.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Spare me the BS excuses Beecher. The fact is Peterman won the number 2 spot. A mountain of evidence supports that fact. All the evidence supports that fact. If you want to lie to yourself and write your own narrative, that's your prerogative, but I'm not an idiot. I follow the evidence - evidence you consistently ignore and never answered.

Don't pretend your rank speculations about recent coaching decisions are evidence that overturn well-established facts, while the solid facts and evidence I laid out are 'speculation'. You only indict yourself and lose my respect.

Okay, Peterman won the spot in the spring. Dobbs took the spot in October. Can you at least agree to that?