Butch and Dobbs

[KBVol]

Should've been more clear....
I could see using the RS if he wasn't the clear #1. I'm not convinced, though, that he was ever seen as the #1.

Who knows though? Maybe the thinking was that Worley could get to 6 wins so no need to use Dobbs ... but I can't imagine not playing the best guy during a rebuild.

I'll say it again....they viewed Worley as the clear #1, the best option to get the team to 6 wins and a bowl. Since Dobbs wasn't the clear #1, they decided to use his redshirt and develop him for next year and beyond. Once Worley was out, the luxury to preserve Dobbs for the year was gone as they knew they needed him to play if they were gonna reach the team goal, which is get to a bowl game, something they knew would not happen with Peterman at qb ..... all this played out and became crystal clear with how they played the 2 qbs in the Bama and SCar games.

 

[American Pig]

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

Don't pretend people who don't swallow the lie have a hard time 'understanding' the lie. The facts don't support that lie and some of us will not swallow the lie no matter how many people repeat the lie. People like KBVol who have a deep disdain for Peterman and don't ever wan't him to be given a chance created this mythology to cover up Dobbs demotion and Peterman's promotion. They refused to acknowledge the truth that Peterman won that spot based on performance, not some conspiracy to save the superior QB for an extra season.

Fact is, Peterman won the #2 position by vastly outperforming Dobbs in preseason. That fact alone is the reason Peterman was promoted and Dobbs demoted. Sorry this fact is so unacceptable to the Peterman bashers, but it is clearly what happened and supported in evidence. Don't pretend our refusal to accept the lies and rewriting of history is a problem with our ability to understand the lie.

 

[American Pig]

I'll say it again....they viewed Worley as the clear #1, the best option to get the team to 6 wins and a bowl. Since Dobbs wasn't the clear #1, they decided to use his redshirt and develop him for next year and beyond. Once Worley was out, the luxury to preserve Dobbs for the year was gone as they knew they needed him to play if they were gonna reach the team goal, which is get to a bowl game, something they knew would not happen with Peterman at qb ..... all this played out and became crystal clear with how they played the 2 qbs in the Bama and SCar games.

You can 'say it' all you want, but your make-believe mythology is still a whopping lie. Anyone who payed attention to preseason knows that the battle for #1 came down to Worley vs Peterman. Dobbs was a distant third who performed very poorly on a consistent basis. Peterman outperformed Worley, but Worley was chosen for having vastly more game management experience.

Of course the pesky fact that Peterman won the job on merit will never alter your blind belief that Peterman was never the legitimately selected backup. Facts mean nothing to you. Your disdain for Peterman drove you to bash him incessantly at every opportunity on VN. Now, it's driving you to spread the lie despite the clear facts in evidence.

 

[BeecherVol]

Should've been more clear....
I could see using the RS if he wasn't the clear #1. I'm not convinced, though, that he was ever seen as the #1.

Who knows though? Maybe the thinking was that Worley could get to 6 wins so no need to use Dobbs ... but I can't imagine not playing the best guy during a rebuild.

I don't think he was in early Aug. At least not by the measuring stick used in practice.

I think you are dead on with Worley. I think they felt he could win 6 and that would be deemed success. When it was obvious he wasn't gonna finish the season after Ole Miss they saw 4 (or 5) wins tops with Peterman and felt like Dobbs RS wasn't worth taking the risk on losing 7 or 8 games. Did he purposefully or willingly not play the best option? IDK, thats hard to say at the time. Dobbs emergence has opened the door to some questions fair or not.

JMO but I think we go 4-8 with Peterman finishing the season.
5-7 with Worley finishing (assuming he didn't go out with a season ending injury)
And 6-6 possibly 7-5 with Dobbs

 

[Sikerth]

90% of the talk before the season was how big of mistake it would be to not name Worley the starter coming into the first game. Those opinions were given credibility and continued on as Worley played good games against our first few opponents.

If Dobbs had started early in the season not been ready, you all would have been up in arms. Doesn't seem like there was a choice Butch could have made to please most of you, and that's sad.

 

[KBVol]

90% of the talk before the season was how big of mistake it would be to not name Worley the starter coming into the first game. Those opinions were given credibility and continued on as Worley played good games against our first few opponents.

If Dobbs had started early in the season not been ready, you all would have been up in arms. Doesn't seem like there was a choice Butch could have made to please most of you, and that's sad.

I don't second guess Jones' choice to start Worley from the beginning of the season until the time of his injury at all. From all sources I read and listen to it was clearcut that Worley was the guy and that Dobbs wasn't ready. I understand the idea of redshirting their best qb, Dobbs, going forward in hope of developing him and making a good qb transition to next year when we should be able to compete for the East. No second-guessing here, just pleased that Dobbs appears to be our guy the next 2 years.

 

[theFallGuy]

As a big fan of both I am trying to figure out their relationship. After the last two outings Dobbs seems to be a prime time player, but listening to Butch his praise is very limited. OK I assume I know what butch is doing but without Dobbs cool demeanor and the team's belief in Josh no way we have a QB on this team other than him who could have gotten that done. Tough love but really? How bout some praise?

Dobbs doesn't need anymore praise right now. He has had a heavy dose of it in the media and with some fans who are ready to proclaim him the second coming of Jesus Christ after one solid game. Butch's job is to keep him level headed. He needs to prove he can win like this consistently before we start praising him. For all we know he could completely implode in the next game.

 

[KBVol]

Dobbs doesn't need anymore praise right now. He has had a heavy dose of it in the media and with some fans who are ready to proclaim him the second coming of Jesus Christ after one solid game. Butch's job is to keep him level headed. He needs to prove he can win like this consistently before we start praising him. For all we know he could completely implode in the next game.

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[KBVol]

Dobbs doesn't need anymore praise right now. He has had a heavy dose of it in the media and with some fans who are ready to proclaim him the second coming of Jesus Christ after one solid game. Butch's job is to keep him level headed. He needs to prove he can win like this consistently before we start praising him. For all we know he could completely implode in the next game.

Damn. Deal in hyperbole much there chief?

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Don't pretend people who don't swallow the lie have a hard time 'understanding' the lie. The facts don't support that lie and some of us will not swallow the lie no matter how many people repeat the lie. People like KBVol who have a deep disdain for Peterman and don't ever wan't him to be given a chance created this mythology to cover up Dobbs demotion and Peterman's promotion. They refused to acknowledge the truth that Peterman won that spot based on performance, not some conspiracy to save the superior QB for an extra season.

Fact is, Peterman won the #2 position by vastly outperforming Dobbs in preseason. That fact alone is the reason Peterman was promoted and Dobbs demoted. Sorry this fact is so unacceptable to the Peterman bashers, but it is clearly what happened and supported in evidence. Don't pretend our refusal to accept the lies and rewriting of history is a problem with our ability to understand the lie.

The performance in preseason of neither Peterson nor Dobbs is relevant at this point.

The point is that at the beginning of the season, neither were No. 1. WHOEVER was No. 2 was going to be limited to mop-up duty as long as Worley stayed healthy.

If I were a coach and I had a player that I viewed as a rising talent, I would not likely play him in such a role knowing the trade off was an additional year of eligibility. I have no way of knowing if this is true in this case, but the LOGIC of it certainly makes sense.

And of course, you now have to account for the fact that Dobbs is going to take every snap from here on out unless he gets nicked up.

 

[emzeeee]

These threads are hysterical. You can see 80% of the people in here trash talking and demanding resignations and firings in every single game thread. But if we win and the coach of the team gives criticism on consistency of a quarterback, you better watch out.

 

[GAVol]

You are correct. He performed very poorly last season and was beaten badly by Peterman and Worley in preseason. The Peterman haters can't handle the facts, so they made up phony tales about Dobbs being protected (See K_TownVol below) as the reason he was #3 and Peterman was #2.

There are no Peterman haters.
You need a new shtick.

 

[BeecherVol]

There are no Peterman haters.
You need a new shtick.

Exactly.

 

[KBVol]

The performance in preseason of neither Peterson nor Dobbs is relevant at this point.

The point is that at the beginning of the season, neither were No. 1. WHOEVER was No. 2 was going to be limited to mop-up duty as long as Worley stayed healthy.

If I were a coach and I had a player that I viewed as a rising talent, I would not likely play him in such a role knowing the trade off was an additional year of eligibility. I have no way of knowing if this is true in this case, but the LOGIC of it certainly makes sense.

And of course, you now have to account for the fact that Dobbs is going to take every snap from here on out unless he gets nicked up.

Easy on the logic and common sense there Saint.

As far as whether or not it was true that Jones planned on redshirting Dobbs if possible.....

Vols Hope To Redshirt QB Josh Dobbs

"If you’re wondering why Vols sophomore quarterback Josh Dobbs didn’t come into the game against Georgia when Justin Worley was injured, it’s because Butch Jones hopes to redshirt him."

. @UTCoachJones says we'll see how it goes (on redshirting @josh_dobbs1) but says in perfect world Dobbs would redshirt. #Vols


Butch Jones hopes to redshirt Joshua Dobbs - GoVolsXtra Story

"After an elbow injury knocked Worley out for a portion of the second half in UT’s 35-32 loss at Georgia last Saturday, Jones said the senior is 100 percent healthy as the Vols prepare to host Florida on Saturday (TV: SEC Network, noon).

That should make Jones’ tentative plan to redshirt sophomore quarterback Joshua Dobbs more plausible."

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

There are no Peterman haters.
You need a new shtick.

Bingo. No one hates Peterman, Dobbs is just better. He always has been.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Bingo. No one hates Peterman, Dobbs is just better. He always has been.

time to get out the opcorn: this outta get even better!!

 

[RockyMtnsVol]

I agree! Dobbs saved Butch's ass... How about a little love???

 

[joevol33]

Why's the grass green? How's a rainbow made? How's rear positive traction on a Plymouth work? I don't know it just does.
Moral of the story: Dobbs is the man now, let it go.

 

[American Pig]

The performance in preseason of neither Peterson nor Dobbs is relevant at this point.

The point is that at the beginning of the season, neither were No. 1. WHOEVER was No. 2 was going to be limited to mop-up duty as long as Worley stayed healthy.

If I were a coach and I had a player that I viewed as a rising talent, I would not likely play him in such a role knowing the trade off was an additional year of eligibility. I have no way of knowing if this is true in this case, but the LOGIC of it certainly makes sense.

And of course, you now have to account for the fact that Dobbs is going to take every snap from here on out unless he gets nicked up.

Not true. The history is absolutely relevant to why Butch is reticent about Dobbs 'consistency' going forward - the subject of this thread. Those who dislike Peterman have rewritten the history and created a false narrative of Dobbs being some prized horse in the arsenal being saved by coaches for next year. It was never true and Butch knows the reality. He knows the serious, pervasive nature of Dobbs accuracy problems and is not deluded like the fanbase.

All the sunshine pumpers and Peterman haters like KBVol created a mythology for gullible people to swallow. I'll stick with the truth. Truth matters.

 

[American Pig]

There are no Peterman haters.
You need a new shtick.

That's simply naive. The anti-Peterman crowd infests Volnation. Some are not 'haters' per se, but have passed judgement on Peterman's performance based on ill-informed or superficial reasons and don't ever want him to be given a real chance. KBVol is just one of the haters who changed his tune after being confronted and shredded by the facts.

 

[VolinHermitage]

Dobbs is playing great but he could be playing better. I think that is Butch's issue. He is still missing a lot of throws, making some bad decisions, running when receivers are open, etc. Idk why people are so concerned with their "relationship." I don't think you will ever hear CBJ say a player is playing flawlessly and doesnt need to improve.

This

 

[armchair]

Dobbs has done something only two other QB's in the SEC has done in the last fifteen years. Maybe... and i'm going way out on a limb here... but maybe Jones can coach a little. Maybe coach has handled him well? Maybe?

I'm sure the coaches have helped Dobbs in some ways, as the do most players--but I certainly saw what Dobbs could do last year--be better than Worley and Peterman--even if everyone else on this board refused to see it.

Dobbs is an athlete, and what we're getting from Jones is more than a bit of coverup for a bungled QB decision. Dobbs could complete half as many passes as Worley and we'd still be a better offense because of his ability to run--and in fact he throws as well as Worley, and will get better.

 

[American Pig]

I'm always amused how many of you sunshine pumpers get angry when I confront the popular lies you swallowed I just keep repeating the facts and evidence nobody can refute, so they attack me as if I'm the problem for telling the truth and never wavering.

 

[butchna]

That's simply naive. The anti-Peterman crowd infests Volnation. Some are not 'haters' per se, but have passed judgement on Peterman's performance based on ill-informed or superficial reasons and don't ever want him to be given a real chance. KBVol is just one of the haters who changed his tune after being confronted and shredded by the facts.

Froot-Loops tastes good...you agree?

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

That's simply naive. The anti-Peterman crowd infests Volnation. Some are not 'haters' per se, but have passed judgement on Peterman's performance based on ill-informed or superficial reasons and don't ever want him to be given a real chance. KBVol is just one of the haters who changed his tune after being confronted and shredded by the facts.

Im basing my judgement of Peterman based on what he has shown on the field in game situations. For all we know he is a better QB than Dobbs in practice - but he isnt in games. There is really no denying that.