Burning Worley's redshirt

#76
#76
NEOCON said:
yeah and the outcome would have been the same with simms ... correct?
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No . . . we would have lost to MTSU and there would have been player defections.

See how this works? I can make stuff up to argue about too.
 
#78
#78
GAVol said:
No . . . we would have lost to MTSU and there would have been player defections.

See how this works? I can make stuff up to argue about too.
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I had that vision as well to bad he didn't! Then he would understand. Lol
 
#79
#79
NEOCON said:
agree but was the difference in quality worth losing a season with him?
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NEOCON said:
by the way, hundreds of great qb's have sat their freshman year and still went on to greatness.
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But what if he doesn't turn out to be any good? Lamenting a lost season of Worley's "greatness" is at least as hypothetical as guessing that Dooley was worried about his team quitting on the season and decided he had to try something different.

What's the chance that the difference between one more year of Worley and whoever his backup is costs us a shot at an SEC championship in 2015? Two percent, maybe? I'll take that all day for a better chance to win games now.
 
#80
#80
GAVol said:
If Bray stays healthy, Worley will never get the type of snaps in the next two years that he's gotten in the past 3 weeks.
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just dont think it was worth it.

sorry but it just wasnt worth killing his fifth year.

anyone who believes it was is just not realistic and drinking the dool-aid.

I believe you are on the fence and just throwing out a scenerio ... I think you personally can see this decision going either way.
 
#81
#81
NEOCON said:
i've always been the type to plan for now and later.

if tn was we wouldnt be in this mess.
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This mess? Do you mean the current overall state of our football program, or are you actually referring to Worley's red-shirt ordeal as "this mess"?
 
#83
#83
GAVol said:
No . . . we would have lost to MTSU and there would have been player defections.

See how this works? I can make stuff up to argue about too.
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Bad made up scenarios are bad.

We score more against USC with Simms
We still beat MTSU
We still lose to Ark

We have screwed over Matt Simms twice now. Sad day for that guy.
 
#85
#85
GAVol said:
No . . . we would have lost to MTSU and there would have been player defections.

See how this works? I can make stuff up to argue about too.
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yours is a what if.

mine is real.

the shirt was burned.
 
#86
#86
NEOCON said:
I believe you are on the fence and just throwing out a scenerio ... I think you personally can see this decision going either way.
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You would be incorrect about my position. All the guys on the team know who the better QB is. Dooley owes it to them to give them the best possible chance to win when they walk out on the field.
 
#88
#88
Vercingetorix said:
Did you see some of the sideline reactions during the Alabama game? Did you see Simms over there beating himself up and wringing his hands? Maybe Dooley made that move to keep from losing his team.

There's a game Saturday against a team we detest with a shot at a bowl berth on the line. Bray isn't guaranteed to start; he isn't guaranteed to play well once he gets out there. We're a lot more prepared for that now than we would be if all we had to go to was Matt Simms.

You play to win games now. It would be stupid to not put your best players on the field because of some hypothetical situation in freaking 2015.
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This sat. would not be a must win for a bowl game if Simms started against SC. That said, i feel much beter about worley having exp. for next year. God forbid something happen to Bray, it wont seem like the end of the world now.
 
#89
#89
Vercingetorix said:
But what if he doesn't turn out to be any good? Lamenting a lost season of Worley's "greatness" is at least as hypothetical as guessing that Dooley was worried about his team quitting on the season and decided he had to try something different.

What's the chance that the difference between one more year of Worley and whoever his backup is costs us a shot at an SEC championship in 2015? Two percent, maybe? I'll take that all day for a better chance to win games now.
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If you think a true freshman gave you a better chance at beating USC with 1 week to prepare....well i dont know what to say. He proved that was wrong.
 
#90
#90
NEOCON said:
yours is a what if.

mine is real.

the shirt was burned.
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By the same token, you have no earthly idea what the personnel will look like in 2015 or what Worley will look like or if he'll get tired of waiting behind Bray and transfer.
 
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#91
#91
AJeray4TN said:
This mess? Do you mean the current overall state of our football program, or are you actually referring to Worley's red-shirt ordeal as "this mess"?
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we had an ad who couldn't write a decent contract if his life depended on it. and so on and so.

not the worley situation.

this is just another in a long line of f ups.
 
#92
#92
pualsline said:
I don't fault the decision to burn his redshirt.


If Dooley had kept Simms in he would be hearing a lot about that. (as for Volnation people would be calling for his head more than they already are IMO)

Hopefully Bray stays healthy next season and there is no need to worry about playing the backup QB, but if that situation arises I say put Worley in and not Peterman.

Worley is good but he is didn't show as a freshman the same promise that Bray did as a freshman.
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There were already threads talking about how awful Simms was and how Dooley obviously needed to go to Worley. As soon as he did, there were threads whining about what an idiot Dooley was for throwing the 2015 season away. Basically it's nothing but howling inanity all the way around right now.
 
#93
#93
After seeing both Simms and Worley, it was pretty clear Worley had the better arm.
Not seeing why you don't start the QB with the better arm.
 
#96
#96
oklavol said:
After seeing both Simms and Worley, it was pretty clear Worley had the better arm.
Not seeing why you don't start the QB with the better arm.
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After seeing Worley play against both SEC opponents the same coach put in Simms. How does this not translate into a failed experiment. Im still waiting for somebody to prove to me the Worley experiment was a success. If he plays against Vandy and beats them I shall happily retract that statement. Until then the move was bad.
 
#99
#99
NEOCON said:
we had an ad who couldn't write a decent contract if his life depended on it. and so on and so.

not the worley situation.

this is just another in a long line of f ups.
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You almost redeemed yourself until that last part. Comparing this in anyway with the events that have transpired in the last five years is comical in the very least.
 
#100
#100
tnvols106 said:
This sat. would not be a must win for a bowl game if Simms started against SC.
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Yep. We'd have won that game if only we started the QB that VolNation spent two weeks arguing about whether he's merely awful or actually the worst QB in UT history. Clearly that was the difference.


10NCVol88 said:
If you think a true freshman gave you a better chance at beating USC with 1 week to prepare....well i dont know what to say. He proved that was wrong.
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I take it you didn't watch the USC game in 2010?
 
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