Bryce Brown Gone

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timmy said:
Nice to see you are overlooking being called out for making up stats in the WKU game. As far as I'm concerned, all of your stats are worthless.
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I didn't see anyone call me out and I didn't make anything up.

Western Kentucky Hilltoppers vs. Tennessee Volunteers Box Score, September 5 2009 - NCAA College Football - ESPN

Poole had the highest per carry avg of the UT backs vs WKU. A player can't control the number of opportunities he gets... only what he does with the opportunities.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes they are. Bloodrunzorange and fijivol major on it. And that's also not the only reason as I mentioned.

The first part is pretty much true. I've said numerous times he was down the list and a high risk hire. Hamilton apparently thought he had high reward potential too. I don't know enough to make a conclusion yet.

On the second part, we don't know the situation. What should come first for Dooley? Convince Brown to stay regardless of his personal situation?

I'm not dismissing the possibility that Brown doesn't like the staff. I'm just not willing to massage conjecture into conclusions like some apparently are.

Everyone pretty much agreed that this was a miscommunication between the kid and his coach. Never happened. Check your facts before using falsehoods to draw conclusions. I don't want to lose Brown. He looks like a kid with potential but he didn't show that he was the most talented player on the team with his play last year nor that he deserved the #1 ranking. Could have been injuries or just adjusting to the game... but he didn't show it.

Furthermore, there's no evidence that Dooley lost him... at least not yet. His departure may be temporary and it may be for reasons that have nothing to do with football or it may be because he doesn't like UT or the new staff. We just don't know yet.



Yeah... maybe someone should get their facts straight and wait for the facts before drawing conclusions too, huh?
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Where's the fun in that? Seriously, the facts are somewhere between some of this. A little hyperbole in my post.

But you are one of the guys who usually keeps it real, but you're drinking a little too much KoolAid when seeing the Brown loss as insignificant and on your positions with Dooley.

Keep it real... that's what VN needs to do.
 
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sjt18 said:
Who? Brown? That is pure and total delusion my friend. There was absolutely no comparison. Kiffin did his best to give Brown.
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I thought it was clear I was comparing Brown's frosh year to Hardesty's first three full seasons.
 
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I hope that Brown does change his mind and stays, I think its a phenomenal opportunity for him. That being said if we have to lose a player with that kind of talent, that is about the best place depth wise we can afford to lose him.

As for the Dooley/Fulmer/Kiffin argument

I appreciated Fulmer's many years of service but I think it was about time to go, we were clearly declining and losing ground in the SEC. We don't know how good Kiffin is/was and we still don't know about Dooley either so lets give them both some time to see which we preferred
 
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utvolpj said:
no it means you have no clue when it comes to coaching. You admitted quite a few times that Fulmer just needed more time and now you won't even give DD any? Yeah that's credible
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For the record, to put this in context, I never said Fulmer needed more time after the UCLA game. That was my breaking point. And, I've admitted, that like Hammy, I may have been a little slower on pulling the trigger there.
 
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I hate to lose Bryce, I think he could have been special. A big lose for UT in my opinion. I hope he gets his life straightened out.
 
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Best to him. Important time of life for this kid right now. He needs to be where he is comfortable.

Move on. Poole, where ya at?
 
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sjt18 said:
Dooley is obviously lying. Some here have concluded beyond all doubt that BB could only be considering leaving because of what Dooley has done to him the last 8 weeks during winter work outs.
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I have been out of the loop for a few weeks. Can you elaborate?

Why would he be lying? I thought Dooley was a man of high character and integrity! LOL
 
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Lol at the people that thought he was never leaving would flame posters who even mentioned the though...

Rocky start for Dooley. You have to keep that guy.
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utmba93 said:
I pretty much think Dooley sux and that Hamilton should be fired for hiring him.

You need more evidence to get where I've been. Unfortunately for both of us as Vols' fans... it's coming.
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Well since we are both Vols fans, how about we give their coach a chance before we run him out of town?

Just because you have decided that Coach Dooley is not worthy of being the head coach of the Volunteers doesn't mean that he isn't in that position right now. I don't know what he is or isn't capable of doing. Neither do you. I hope he is successful. I am assuming you hope he fails miserably just so you can tell us all how you told us all along.

Would he have been my first choice? No. Apparently he wasn't the AD's first choice either. However he was willing to take the job. He is a smart man. He knew that coming would mean facing the jerks that thought he didn't deserve to be at UT. He thinks he is able to prove them wrong.

Bryce Brown is not a Vol right now. That may or may not have anything to do with Coach Dooley.

So far his "crimes" are that he is not a shameless self-promoter, he does not bow down to the almighty local media, he hasn't lined up a bunch of commitments from high school juniors that mean absolutely nothing and change more often than you do underwear, and that a freshman running back has decided to leave the program.

I believe I'll wait to see the product on the field before I pass judgement. You can go ahead and jump now.

Go Vols!
 
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utmba93 said:
But you are one of the guys who usually keeps in real, but you're drinking a little too much KoolAid when seeing the Brown loss is insignificant and on your positions with Dooley.

Keep it real... that's what VN needs to do.
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But that isn't the case. I think it is a loss. It is "potentially" a huge loss. I say that because I believe in his "potential"... I just haven't seen enough production to make me believe in anything more than that. I haven't seen him do the things that point toward greatness.

FTR, I haven't seen signs of "greatness" from Poole or Oku either... just more SEC level "polish"... like the running skills I've mentioned ad nauseum.

I like Brown. I hope Dooley's effort to re-recruit him are successful. But I don't see a reason to call it some sort of catastrophe based on what he did last year.
 
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sjt18 said:
I didn't see anyone call me out and I didn't make anything up.

Western Kentucky Hilltoppers vs. Tennessee Volunteers Box Score, September 5 2009 - NCAA College Football - ESPN

Poole had the highest per carry avg of the UT backs vs WKU. A player can't control the number of opportunities he gets... only what he does with the opportunities.
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Breaking a big run always helps out on the average. Just for the heck of it, I took away the long run of each against WKU and all 3 RBs averaged about 7 yds per carry.

MH: 17 rushes for 117 yds (6.9 avg)
BB: 10 for 70 (7.0)
TP: 4 for 28 (7.0)

Aside from each breaking a long run, all 3 backs were gaining 7 yards each opportunity. Pretty even, don't you think?
 
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ljeller said:
Breaking a big run always helps out on the average. Just for the heck of it, I took away the long run of each against WKU and all 3 RBs averaged about 7 yds per carry.

MH: 17 rushes for 117 yds (6.9 avg)
BB: 10 for 70 (7.0)
TP: 4 for 28 (7.0)

Aside from each breaking a long run, all 3 backs were gaining 7 yards each opportunity. Pretty even, don't you think?
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Sure... but I'm not claiming the program would fall apart if Poole left. I hope he doesn't... but the world wouldn't end just like it won't if BB goes. No one has said that Poole was the #1 player in the country and therefore a sure fire success... If Poole doesn't have skills then shouldn't BB be much better and not just equal?

I want BB to stay but based on what I saw from all of them I wouldn't be worried going ahead with Poole and Oku.

PS- that is a good way to answer those stats. The comeback though is that Poole hit a 34 yarder in 5 tries while BB had twice the carries and only hit a 34 yarder once.
 
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wkhardplayhard said:
oh and X had a better record coming to UT. Oh wow we lose 1 recruit, how many did x lose? There was a reason why EB was kicked off the field, it wasn't because he was being rude, he was basically setting a new tone for the program. Instead of running his mouth like x he is just doing things quietly. He hasn't even coached a game and we are already jumping on him. I remember last year everyone was saying x was the 2nd coming of jesus when he got here. Give CDD the same respect you gave X.
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BB is not a recruit.
 
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sjt18 said:
But that isn't the case. I think it is a loss. It is "potentially" a huge loss. I say that because I believe in his "potential"... I just haven't seen enough production to make me believe in anything more than that. I haven't seen him do the things that point toward greatness.

FTR, I haven't seen signs of "greatness" from Poole or Oku either... just more SEC level "polish"... like the running skills I've mentioned ad nauseum.

I like Brown. I hope Dooley's effort to re-recruit him are successful. But I don't see a reason to call it some sort of catastrophe based on what he did last year.
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Now, that sounds pretty real.

Brown had a pretty decent Frosh season. I wanted to see an H Walker-like Frosh year, but he didn't bring all that. His stats are pretty decent for the line we had.

Also, just in watching the season, Hardesty is so fast to the hole, he made everyone at UT during his tenure look slower than they really were. He had the same effect on BB, in that respect.

I hope CDD can get him back too. That would be the sort of signals that would help CDD start winning some of us doubters over. But, he'll never really get strong support until he wins. And that is one helluva hard task for the next two seasons, even if he is a good coach.
 
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What I don't fully understand is why he would accept sitting out a year when all of this is stemming from playing time in the first place. Ironic, don't you think?
 
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