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When I start seeing those guys resurface as contributors somewhere else in a BCS league, I'll consider rethinking the position. Until then, they are stiffs.
No, it's guys who can't play dead at the level they were recruited to. The reason Tennessee ended up playing no talent, try hard guys like the Sullins brothers is the fact the recent offensive line classes were littered with gimps, head cases, and guys who just plain sucked.If your definition of stiffs is those that don't complete eligibility at school they sign with??
Player Stars
Morley - Dismissed 5
Myers-Dismissed 2
Vinson-Dismissed 5
Stephens-Transfer 3
R Johnson-Dismissed 4
Sawtelle-Transfer 4
Rogan-Left early NFL 3
Paige-Transfer 4
Maples-Transfer 3
Langley-Transfer 4
Hawkins-Quit Football 3
Donald-Transfer 5
Creer-Transfer 4
Coleman-Transfer 4
Brimfield-Quit Football 3
Berry-Left early for NFL 5
Douglas-Transfer 4
Bailey-Transfer 3
Abrams-Ward-Dismissed 4
Richardson-Dismissed 4
Edwards-Dismissed 3
Brown-Transfer 5
Lamison-Trying to Transfer 2
Campbell-Transfer 3
Also...go back through all recruitng classes since 2006, assuming RS, and see how many recruits never made it onto campus. Combined, that tells the real story.
all that is recorded in these numbers. Not current but updated in Feburary
Following information covers 2002-2009 signing classes for SEC schools. I found a number of players that failed to complete their eligibility at that school. Failures were counted for: players getting dismissed, failing school, transfers, just quit playing football or unknown reasons. If players left school early for NFL, I do not count them as failing to complete eligibility. Last updated in Spring 2010
SEC Teams
Alabama
2009 Rivals # 01 - Signed 28 - 02 (07%)
2008 Rivals # 01 - Signed 32 - 08 (25%)
2007 Rivals # 10 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2006 Rivals # 11 - Signed 23 - 08 (35%)
2005 Rivals # 18 - Signed 34 - 19 (56%)
2004 Rivals # 15 - Signed 27 - 12 (44%)
2003 Rivals # 49 - Signed 19 - 09 (47%)
2002 Rivals # 30 - Signed 18 - 06 (33%)
Totals Signed 206 73 (35%)
Arkansas
2009 Rivals # 31 - Signed 31 - 06 (19%)
2008 Rivals # 36 - Signed 26 - 07 (27%)
2007 Rivals # 31 - Signed 27 - 09 (33%)
2006 Rivals # 26 - Signed 26 - 11 (38%)
2005 Rivals # 24 - Signed 24 - 11 (46%)
2004 Rivals # 22 - Signed 32 - 17 (53%)
2003 Rivals # 22 - Signed 25 - 12 (48%)
2002 Rivals # 26 - Signed 21 - 06 (29%)
Totals Signed 212 79 (37%)
Auburn
2009 Rivals # 19 - Signed 28 - 07 (25%)
2008 Rivals # 29 - Signed 29 - 15 (52%)
2007 Rivals # 07 - Signed 30 - 14 (47%)
2006 Rivals # 10 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2005 Rivals # 13 - Signed 22 - 11 (50%)
2004 Rivals # 21 - Signed 29 - 16 (55%)
2003 Rivals # 11 - Signed 27 - 11 (41%)
2002 Rivals # 06 - Signed 29 - 15 (52%)
Totals Signed 219 98 (45%)
Florida
2009 Rivals # 11 - Signed 17 - 01 (06%)
2008 Rivals # 03 - Signed 22 - 01 (05%)
2007 Rivals # 01 - Signed 27 - 08 (30%)
2006 Rivals # 02 - Signed 27 - 09 (33%)
2005 Rivals # 15 - Signed 18 - 11 (61%)
2004 Rivals # 07 - Signed 23 - 09 (39%)
2003 Rivals # 02 - Signed 26 - 07 (27%)
2002 Rivals # 20 - Signed 22 - 08 (36%)
Totals Signed 182 54 (30%)
Georgia
2009 Rivals # 06 - Signed 20 - 03 (15%)
2008 Rivals # 07 - Signed 24 - 03 (13%)
2007 Rivals # 09 - Signed 23 - 05 (22%)
2006 Rivals # 04 - Signed 28 - 07 (25%)
2005 Rivals # 10 - Signed 19 - 08 (42%)
2004 Rivals # 06 - Signed 20 - 07 (35%)
2003 Rivals # 06 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2002 Rivals # 03 - Signed 31 - 13 (42%)
Totals Signed 190 55 (29%)
Kentucky
2009 Rivals # 41 - Signed 29 - 05 (17%)
2008 Rivals # 57 - Signed 20 - 02 (10%)
2007 Rivals # 54 - Signed 29 - 10 (31%)
2006 Rivals # 36 - Signed 30 - 14 (47%)
2005 Rivals # 67 - Signed 28 - 14 (50%)
2004 Rivals # 45 - Signed 28 - 11 (39%)
2003 Rivals # 63 - Signed 22 - 12 (55%)
2002 Rivals # 94 - Signed 15 - 08 (53%)
Totals Signed 201 76 (37%)
LSU
2009 Rivals # 02 - Signed 24 - 01 (04%)
2008 Rivals # 11 - Signed 26 - 02 (08%)
2007 Rivals # 04 - Signed 26 - 10 (38%)
2006 Rivals # 07 - Signed 26 - 13 (50%)
2005 Rivals # 22 - Signed 14 - 05 (36%)
2004 Rivals # 02 - Signed 26 - 06 (23%)
2003 Rivals # 01 - Signed 28 - 11 (39%)
2002 Rivals # 15 - Signed 26 - 13 (50%)
Totals Signed 196 61 (31%)
Ole Miss
2009 Rivals # 18 - Signed 37 - 11 (30%)
2008 Rivals # 29 - Signed 31 - 04 (13%)
2007 Rivals # 27 - Signed 22 - 10 (45%)
2006 Rivals # 16 - Signed 30 - 09 (30%)
2005 Rivals # 30 - Signed 28 - 16 (57%)
2004 Rivals # 30 - Signed 25 - 14 (56%)
2003 Rivals # 38 - Signed 21 - 10 (48%)
2002 Rivals # 33 - Signed 18 - 10 (56%)
Totals Signed 212 84 (40%)
Mississippi St
2009 Rivals # 23 - Signed 27 - 03 (11%)
2008 Rivals # 44 - Signed 27 - 08 (30%)
2007 Rivals # 39 - Signed 33 - 11 (33%)
2006 Rivals # 44 - Signed 24 - 10 (42%)
2005 Rivals # 33 - Signed 28 - 15 (54%)
2004 Rivals # 62 - Signed 23 - 17 (74%)
2003 Rivals # 09 - Signed 28 - 13 (46%)
2002 Rivals # 17 - Signed 30 - 19 (63%)
Totals Signed 220 96 (44%)
South Carolina
2009 Rivals # 12 - Signed 29 - 05 (17%)
2008 Rivals # 22 - Signed 23 - 03 (13%)
2007 Rivals # 06 - Signed 31 - 08 (26%)
2006 Rivals # 24 - Signed 24 - 08 (33%)
2005 Rivals # 23 - Signed 28 - 14 (50%)
2004 Rivals # 35 - Signed 29 - 18 (62%)
2003 Rivals # 08 - Signed 28 - 10 (36%)
2002 Rivals # 11 - Signed 27 - 13 (48%)
Totals Signed 219 79 (36%)
Tennessee
2009 Rivals # 10 - Signed 24 - 03 (13%)
2008 Rivals # 35 - Signed 18 - 03 (17%)
2007 Rivals # 03 - Signed 32 - 14 (44%)
2006 Rivals # 23 - Signed 22 - 08 (36%)
2005 Rivals # 04 - Signed 27 - 11 (41%)
2004 Rivals # 11 - Signed 24 - 07 (29%)
2003 Rivals # 18 - Signed 22 - 08 (36%)
2002 Rivals # 02 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
Totals Signed 194 63 (32%)
Vanderbilt
2009 Rivals # 73 - Signed 18 - 01 (06%)
2008 Rivals # 90 - Signed 21 - 01 (05%)
2007 Rivals # 67 - Signed 14 - 01 (07%)
2006 Rivals # 60 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2005 Rivals # 87 - Signed 25 - 08 (32%)
2004 Rivals # 66 - Signed 20 - 10 (50%)
2003 Rivals # 78 - Signed 22 - 11 (50%)
2002 Rivals # 76 - Signed 22 - 10 (45%)
Totals Signed 167 51 (31%)
SEC Totals Signed 2418 - 869 (36%)
Does Peyton Manning become Peyton Manning without David Cutcliffe?
I say yes.
Not when combined with the transfers, dismissals, etc. listed in previous posts above.
Failures were counted for: players getting dismissed, failing school, transfers, just quit playing football or unknown reasons. If players left school early for NFL, I do not count them as failing to complete eligibility. Last updated in Spring 2010
Good point regarding coaching the Mannings, I've never thought of it that way.
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Does Peyton Manning become Peyton Manning without David Cutcliffe?
I say yes.
he likely would have went to Florida except for Cutcliffe. Cutcliffe was the reason he chose Tennessee...
all that is recorded in these numbers. Not current but updated in Feburary
Following information covers 2002-2009 signing classes for SEC schools. I found a number of players that failed to complete their eligibility at that school. Failures were counted for: players getting dismissed, failing school, transfers, just quit playing football or unknown reasons. If players left school early for NFL, I do not count them as failing to complete eligibility. Last updated in Spring 2010
SEC Teams
Alabama
2009 Rivals # 01 - Signed 28 - 02 (07%)
2008 Rivals # 01 - Signed 32 - 08 (25%)
2007 Rivals # 10 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2006 Rivals # 11 - Signed 23 - 08 (35%)
2005 Rivals # 18 - Signed 34 - 19 (56%)
2004 Rivals # 15 - Signed 27 - 12 (44%)
2003 Rivals # 49 - Signed 19 - 09 (47%)
2002 Rivals # 30 - Signed 18 - 06 (33%)
Totals Signed 206 73 (35%)
Arkansas
2009 Rivals # 31 - Signed 31 - 06 (19%)
2008 Rivals # 36 - Signed 26 - 07 (27%)
2007 Rivals # 31 - Signed 27 - 09 (33%)
2006 Rivals # 26 - Signed 26 - 11 (38%)
2005 Rivals # 24 - Signed 24 - 11 (46%)
2004 Rivals # 22 - Signed 32 - 17 (53%)
2003 Rivals # 22 - Signed 25 - 12 (48%)
2002 Rivals # 26 - Signed 21 - 06 (29%)
Totals Signed 212 79 (37%)
Auburn
2009 Rivals # 19 - Signed 28 - 07 (25%)
2008 Rivals # 29 - Signed 29 - 15 (52%)
2007 Rivals # 07 - Signed 30 - 14 (47%)
2006 Rivals # 10 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2005 Rivals # 13 - Signed 22 - 11 (50%)
2004 Rivals # 21 - Signed 29 - 16 (55%)
2003 Rivals # 11 - Signed 27 - 11 (41%)
2002 Rivals # 06 - Signed 29 - 15 (52%)
Totals Signed 219 98 (45%)
Florida
2009 Rivals # 11 - Signed 17 - 01 (06%)
2008 Rivals # 03 - Signed 22 - 01 (05%)
2007 Rivals # 01 - Signed 27 - 08 (30%)
2006 Rivals # 02 - Signed 27 - 09 (33%)
2005 Rivals # 15 - Signed 18 - 11 (61%)
2004 Rivals # 07 - Signed 23 - 09 (39%)
2003 Rivals # 02 - Signed 26 - 07 (27%)
2002 Rivals # 20 - Signed 22 - 08 (36%)
Totals Signed 182 54 (30%)
Georgia
2009 Rivals # 06 - Signed 20 - 03 (15%)
2008 Rivals # 07 - Signed 24 - 03 (13%)
2007 Rivals # 09 - Signed 23 - 05 (22%)
2006 Rivals # 04 - Signed 28 - 07 (25%)
2005 Rivals # 10 - Signed 19 - 08 (42%)
2004 Rivals # 06 - Signed 20 - 07 (35%)
2003 Rivals # 06 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2002 Rivals # 03 - Signed 31 - 13 (42%)
Totals Signed 190 55 (29%)
Kentucky
2009 Rivals # 41 - Signed 29 - 05 (17%)
2008 Rivals # 57 - Signed 20 - 02 (10%)
2007 Rivals # 54 - Signed 29 - 10 (31%)
2006 Rivals # 36 - Signed 30 - 14 (47%)
2005 Rivals # 67 - Signed 28 - 14 (50%)
2004 Rivals # 45 - Signed 28 - 11 (39%)
2003 Rivals # 63 - Signed 22 - 12 (55%)
2002 Rivals # 94 - Signed 15 - 08 (53%)
Totals Signed 201 76 (37%)
LSU
2009 Rivals # 02 - Signed 24 - 01 (04%)
2008 Rivals # 11 - Signed 26 - 02 (08%)
2007 Rivals # 04 - Signed 26 - 10 (38%)
2006 Rivals # 07 - Signed 26 - 13 (50%)
2005 Rivals # 22 - Signed 14 - 05 (36%)
2004 Rivals # 02 - Signed 26 - 06 (23%)
2003 Rivals # 01 - Signed 28 - 11 (39%)
2002 Rivals # 15 - Signed 26 - 13 (50%)
Totals Signed 196 61 (31%)
Ole Miss
2009 Rivals # 18 - Signed 37 - 11 (30%)
2008 Rivals # 29 - Signed 31 - 04 (13%)
2007 Rivals # 27 - Signed 22 - 10 (45%)
2006 Rivals # 16 - Signed 30 - 09 (30%)
2005 Rivals # 30 - Signed 28 - 16 (57%)
2004 Rivals # 30 - Signed 25 - 14 (56%)
2003 Rivals # 38 - Signed 21 - 10 (48%)
2002 Rivals # 33 - Signed 18 - 10 (56%)
Totals Signed 212 84 (40%)
Mississippi St
2009 Rivals # 23 - Signed 27 - 03 (11%)
2008 Rivals # 44 - Signed 27 - 08 (30%)
2007 Rivals # 39 - Signed 33 - 11 (33%)
2006 Rivals # 44 - Signed 24 - 10 (42%)
2005 Rivals # 33 - Signed 28 - 15 (54%)
2004 Rivals # 62 - Signed 23 - 17 (74%)
2003 Rivals # 09 - Signed 28 - 13 (46%)
2002 Rivals # 17 - Signed 30 - 19 (63%)
Totals Signed 220 96 (44%)
South Carolina
2009 Rivals # 12 - Signed 29 - 05 (17%)
2008 Rivals # 22 - Signed 23 - 03 (13%)
2007 Rivals # 06 - Signed 31 - 08 (26%)
2006 Rivals # 24 - Signed 24 - 08 (33%)
2005 Rivals # 23 - Signed 28 - 14 (50%)
2004 Rivals # 35 - Signed 29 - 18 (62%)
2003 Rivals # 08 - Signed 28 - 10 (36%)
2002 Rivals # 11 - Signed 27 - 13 (48%)
Totals Signed 219 79 (36%)
Tennessee
2009 Rivals # 10 - Signed 24 - 03 (13%)
2008 Rivals # 35 - Signed 18 - 03 (17%)
2007 Rivals # 03 - Signed 32 - 14 (44%)
2006 Rivals # 23 - Signed 22 - 08 (36%)
2005 Rivals # 04 - Signed 27 - 11 (41%)
2004 Rivals # 11 - Signed 24 - 07 (29%)
2003 Rivals # 18 - Signed 22 - 08 (36%)
2002 Rivals # 02 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
Totals Signed 194 63 (32%)
Vanderbilt
2009 Rivals # 73 - Signed 18 - 01 (06%)
2008 Rivals # 90 - Signed 21 - 01 (05%)
2007 Rivals # 67 - Signed 14 - 01 (07%)
2006 Rivals # 60 - Signed 25 - 09 (36%)
2005 Rivals # 87 - Signed 25 - 08 (32%)
2004 Rivals # 66 - Signed 20 - 10 (50%)
2003 Rivals # 78 - Signed 22 - 11 (50%)
2002 Rivals # 76 - Signed 22 - 10 (45%)
Totals Signed 167 51 (31%)
SEC Totals Signed 2418 - 869 (36%)
Player Stars
Morley - Dismissed 5
Myers-Dismissed 2
Vinson-Dismissed 5
Stephens-Transfer 3
R Johnson-Dismissed 4
Sawtelle-Transfer 4
Rogan-Left early NFL 3
Paige-Transfer 4
Maples-Transfer 3
Langley-Transfer 4
Hawkins-Quit Football 3
Donald-Transfer 5
Creer-Transfer 4
Coleman-Transfer 4
Brimfield-Quit Football 3
Berry-Left early for NFL 5
Douglas-Transfer 4
Bailey-Transfer 3
Abrams-Ward-Dismissed 4
Richardson-Dismissed 4
Edwards-Dismissed 3
Brown-Transfer 5
Lamison-Trying to Transfer 2
Campbell-Transfer 3
