Bryce Brown decision (merged)

[DD4ME]

I'm definately with GW. Heck if we can't get 3 I will need a new handle. We should let hat back in if he accepts the handle $hat!
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[TylerD]

So, do we open this bet up to it's own thread?

 

[DD4ME]

This board just got a lot better. There should be wagers every offseason.
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[DD4ME]

So, do we open this bet up to it's own thread?

Somebody that's qualified should. Hat should know how he has 99,000 boasts, I mean posts.
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[NMVol]

The site won't be the same without the blood sport of the true fans being pitted against the heartless speculators. eace:

 

[kptvol]

And that makes Lache a puss. Point?

Having Brown do well wasn't going to attract another big time RB.

 

[Sabanocchio]

I'm definately with GW. Heck if we can't get 3 I will need a new handle. We should let hat back in if he accepts the handle $hat!
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That kind of kills the bet there. You have basically nothing at stake.

 

[Sabanocchio]

SGMVols, son you are the bandleader when its comes to demeaning Poole. at the very least support the players that are on the team.

Amen.

 

[VolsDeep]

That kind of kills the bet there. You have basically nothing at stake.

ahhh, but Sab he was so excited!

 

[Sabanocchio]

He can play the home version then.

 

[sjt18]

Just out of curiousity, was Bryce not doing well in practice? I know Poole and Williams were, but I seem to recall a lot of impressive reports coming out about Brown, as well.

I remember quite a few saying that Poole was outshining Brown and even that Williams was outshining both except against the 3rd team.

I wrote a messed up sentence RE: Coker and Poole. My point was that Hardesty sat behind Coker. MH worked hard and kept his nose clean. Coker had recurring issues... yet MH never really got his shot even when healthy.

 

[sjt18]

Poole and who?

Hardesty. MH was pretty public when he got "forgotten" on the bench.

That sounds good. You said before he showed us he was the stud you said he was. I didn't think that was right. I personally think he'll be just fine... pending the OL isn't the worst in my lifetime.

Sorry about not being clear. I didn't recognize the problem until I re-read what I'd wrote. That comment was about Hardesty, not Poole. I hope Poole is great. I hope for that matter Brown stays and becomes all his potential allows.

It is simply my opinion that CLK did some things last year specifically for future recruiting purposes and not to win games last year. I think he started making investments in a 3-4 year plan the minute he showed up. He ran guys off. He culled some of the recruits that CPF had committed that he didn't think would fit his program. AND... I believe he made personnel decisions to promote recruiting as well.

Again, I don't think it was stupid to do it... maybe unfair to some guys but if the team and championships are what matter and you want the shortest route... some guys may not get exactly what they deserve.

I think CLK and company were doing well this past recruiting season in part because they could go to elite players and say "We played Freshmen last year and have much more opportunity this year for YOU". If Hardesty the Sr can carry the load or better yet split it with a comparable 5* Fr then you have a great selling point... "Do you want to be the next Hardesty?" If you have a rising Jr cluttering the depth chart... not so much.

I believe Kiffin was about recruiting every moment of every day while he was at UT... everything else, even immediate wins, was secondary through his short tenure

 

[utmba93]

I remember quite a few saying that Poole was outshining Brown and even that Williams was outshining both except against the 3rd team.

I wrote a messed up sentence RE: Coker and Poole. My point was that Hardesty sat behind Coker. MH worked hard and kept his nose clean. Coker had recurring issues... yet MH never really got his shot even when healthy.

Coker was talented, on the field, and NFL bound had he been smart enough to stay out of trouble.

If TP is as talented as you and many others think, he'll get his shot and make the most of it just as Hardesty did.

Brown has worked hard. Perhaps he made a mistake in the spring, but there are a lot of reasons he should have been confused by the turn of events that confronted him.

I can't see how having both BB and TP is such an issue unless one or the other doesn't want to compete. I've heard nothing to indicate that Brown has a problem with competing for the position. I've also heard nothing from TP, himself, but his supporters are certainly beginning to make it sound like they simply don't want the competition from BB.

 

[sjt18]

Coker was talented, on the field, and NFL bound had he been smart enough to stay out of trouble.

Absolutely. I think he is probably the most talented RB I've ever seen at UT. At the same time, few dispute that MH outworked him in practice or stayed out of trouble better. In the end... character won over talent in this case.

If TP is as talented as you and many others think, he'll get his shot and make the most of it just as Hardesty did.

I don't know what Poole will do. I know what was reported from practice. I know what I saw as far as developed skills in his scant PT. I know many thought he was underrated coming out of GA primarily because of an injury... but there are no guarantees he'll be any good at all regardless of how dominate his practice reports are.

Brown has worked hard. Perhaps he made a mistake in the spring, but there are a lot of reasons he should have been confused by the turn of events that confronted him.

No question at all about the confusion. I mean if the innuendo is true and he was promised a Heisman campaign by CLK... Wow, how do you handle that when the next guy who has no responsibility for the words of Kiffin tells him he'll have to earn the starting job?

I can't see how having both BB and TP is such an issue unless one or the other doesn't want to compete. I've heard nothing to indicate that Brown has a problem with competing for the position. I've also heard nothing from TP, himself, but his supporters are certainly beginning to make it sound like they simply don't want the competition from BB.

I think they'd make a great tandem. I think they would be more likely to push then compliment each other than to create a problem.

I read quotes from Poole in an article awhile back where he said some pretty clear cut things. He said he challenged CLK repeatedly about having outperformed other guys in practice but not being given PT. Basically CLK refused to give him a straight answer and blew him off. CLK DID NOT deny that TP had outperfomed BB... at least not according to Poole.

No way is that Brown's fault. No way is it an indication that BB isn't or won't become a better RB. It IS an indication that CLK was working an agenda that did not allow for a returning JR/Soph two deep at the RB position.

 

[arTfuldodger]

Is that the story some of yall are rolling with? "We didn't want him back anyway, bc of his weak work-ethic?" Wow, just wow. That's pitiful.
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[kptvol]

I wrote a messed up sentence RE: Coker and Poole. My point was that Hardesty sat behind Coker. MH worked hard and kept his nose clean. Coker had recurring issues... yet MH never really got his shot even when healthy.

Hardesty was ahead of Coker on the depth chart, but Coker passed him up because Montario was performing so badly. I think that was a pretty legit scenario. MH probably wasn't 100% back from the knee and Coker was just better at that point.

 

[kptvol]

Hardesty. MH was pretty public when he got "forgotten" on the bench.

I understand his concern with that game. However, Arian Foster was doing quite well in that game and was also forgotten. For some reason we just chose to go away from the run and it resulted in us being destroyed. That was one of Cutcliffe's worst games ever. Anyway, I think it was more a problem with us abandoning the run game than us abandoning a specific player.

Sorry about not being clear. I didn't recognize the problem until I re-read what I'd wrote. That comment was about Hardesty, not Poole. I hope Poole is great. I hope for that matter Brown stays and becomes all his potential allows.

I had high hopes for Poole, Brown, and Williams, but now my expectations are tempered. I don't really think Poole or Brown is capable of having a great season with our offense this year.

It is simply my opinion that CLK did some things last year specifically for future recruiting purposes and not to win games last year. I think he started making investments in a 3-4 year plan the minute he showed up. He ran guys off. He culled some of the recruits that CPF had committed that he didn't think would fit his program. AND... I believe he made personnel decisions to promote recruiting as well.

It's a reasonable theory, but I'd just feel better about it if there were more evidence of that occurring with other positions.

Again, I don't think it was stupid to do it... maybe unfair to some guys but if the team and championships are what matter and you want the shortest route... some guys may not get exactly what they deserve.

I think CLK and company were doing well this past recruiting season in part because they could go to elite players and say "We played Freshmen last year and have much more opportunity this year for YOU". If Hardesty the Sr can carry the load or better yet split it with a comparable 5* Fr then you have a great selling point... "Do you want to be the next Hardesty?" If you have a rising Jr cluttering the depth chart... not so much.

I believe Kiffin was about recruiting every moment of every day while he was at UT... everything else, even immediate wins, was secondary through his short tenure

I can agree with you about the immediate wins thing. They were secondary to long term success. I really don't think that was a bad thing, though.

 

[kptvol]

Is that the story some of yall are rolling with? "We didn't want him back anyway, bc of his weak work-ethic?" Wow, just wow. That's pitiful.
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The best case scenario for me would be for him to come back and just be a superstar for three years. I doubt it happens, but it'd be hilarious to watch these people that called him a "pre-Madonna" try to rationalize their newfound love for the guy.

 

[jspvol76]

The best case scenario for me would be for him to come back and just be a superstar for three years. I doubt it happens, but it'd be hilarious to watch these people that called him a "pre-Madonna" try to rationalize their newfound love for the guy.

Being a superstar for 3 years wouldn't change the opinion of some that he is a pre-madonna, in fact, it might make him more of one. I'm not saying he is one, just refuting your post.

Edit-I see your point was more about the ones switching there tone about BB, point taken.

 

[sjt18]

I had high hopes for Poole, Brown, and Williams, but now my expectations are tempered. I don't really think Poole or Brown is capable of having a great season with our offense this year.

Wylie and Hiestand keep my hopes alive with regard to the offense. They are the ONLY things I see to hang a hat on.

It's a reasonable theory, but I'd just feel better about it if there were more evidence of that occurring with other positions.

Many thought it had something to do with JC keeping the job over NS. I thought JC was the better option but that does not preclude the recruitment of top tier QB's being a consideration.

Nuke got more than his fair share of opportunities. I like Teague but he certainly got a chance to prove he wasn't ready for prime time as a Freshman. Oku got alot more carries than his production warranted even in mop up.

BB is just the most obvious IMO.

 

[orangetanker11]

The best case scenario for me would be for him to come back and just be a superstar for three years. I doubt it happens, but it'd be hilarious to watch these people that called him a "pre-Madonna" try to rationalize their newfound love for the guy .

It wouldn't even take three years. If he were on the team today, you would have people hyping a Heisman campaign instead of questioning his work ethic. Not saying he should be a Heisman candidate, but people would hype him as if he would make a run for the Heisman.
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[Neyland Law Vol]

Is there going to be a Brown Presser?

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

KSU fans in their Bryce Brown Thread have the same thoughts some of TN fans have had:

"im kinda tired of waiting, whens this gonna be OFFICIAL?"

Bryce Brown.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Here is one KSU fan's post. . . .

Bryce will come to KSU cause he wants to play with his bro and wants to be coached by a legend, not a guy that had a .500 record at Lou Tech and only got the job cause of his dad.
ouch!

 

[MTSUDaff]

Something tells me a lot of far superior players will choose that .500 guy over the coaching legend every year...

The internet is a portal for people I'm apprehensive to call retarded just because literally retarded people hold more intelligence than they do. This poster is a nice example of that.

And I am not trying to be offensive to retarded people here, at all.