Bryce Brown decision (merged)

Will Bryce Brown return to play (be listed on a gameday roster) for Tennessee?

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#52
#52
SGMVols said:
If your theory about Kiffin showing favoritism to his recruits had one iota of truth to it, why was Janzen Jackson the only Kiffin recruit who was a regular starter?

And LOL at splitting hairs over who gets 20% of the total carries in a season.
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Wow. This is just too much to let go.

Kiffin TRIED to give BB the job... not just the back up job but the starting role and couldn't. His meaningful carries declined pretty much the whole year.

It wasn't just that he was Kiffin's recruit but that he was Kiffin's grand victory so far in recruiting. He was the #1 player according to the recruiting analysts. Kiffin wanted to show players with those kinds of accolades that they could start or at least play alot for the Vols.

It isn't all that hard to understand... and for whatever it might be worth... it probably would have been a good strategy for Kiffin had he stayed.

It wasn't right to treat Poole that way but Kiffin probably believed it was the shortest route to getting the right players to UT to win.

That said, Kiffin told Poole something that kept him from transferring. None of us know what that something was... but it had to be something along the lines that he would get a straight up shot to be the starter.
 
#53
#53
SGMVols said:
Uh, that he wasn't a Kiffin recruit. Reading comprehension. Learn it.
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wow... :dry:

well excuse me then...hardesty was obviously better than brown last year, i think kiffin realized that regardless of who's recruit he was...kiffin played the best at that position because hardesty was virtually our only offense in parts of the season

BB looks like he has loads of talent, though that talent is very, very, VERY raw, and kiffin wanted him to get carries in game situations to improve...poole could be better at this point, especially at finding and hitting the hole, but his upside is not that of brown's

i think the fact that kiffin recruited brown or didn't recruit poole or hardesty really had nothing to do with it...he started and played his best RB because crompton struggled at times, especially at the beginning of the year
 
#54
#54
BJSforVols said:
What makes you say he's our best back? I hear a lot of talk that Poole was better than Brown last year but could not get a chance ahead of Brown due to Brown being Kiffin's recruit and Poole was not.
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He's our best back because he ran for 500 yards and averaged 5+ yds/carry as a 2nd stringer, behind the most make-shift offensive line in the country. I'm not saying Poole isn't good enough to carry the load, but all of his "success" has been in a mop-up role. He hasn't had a meaningful carry in his career. It's impossible and illogical to compare what Poole did in spring practice against his own team to what BB accomplished against SEC defenses in real game situations.

P.S. I want Bryce Brown back if it's not apparent. Regardless of how your RB depth is, you DON'T let the number 1 player in the country just walk out without at least trying to convince him to stay, as Dooley is apparently doing.
 
#55
#55
bowlinggreenvol said:
He's our best back because he ran for 500 yards and averaged 5+ yds/carry as a 2nd stringer, behind the most make-shift offensive line in the country. I'm not saying Poole isn't good enough to carry the load, but all of his "success" has been in a mop-up role. He hasn't had a meaningful carry in his career. It's impossible and illogical to compare what Poole did in spring practice against his own team to what BB accomplished against SEC defenses in real game situations.
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Virtually all of BB's stats were run up against bad teams during mop up plus Ole Miss late in the 4th after they'd put their back ups in. He avg'd under 4 ypc in conference and against teams with a winning record.

Poole really didn't get many shots at the better competition but his 3 carries vs VT looked good against an opponent that shut MH down.

P.S. I want Bryce Brown back if it's not apparent. Regardless of how your RB depth is, you DON'T let the number 1 player in the country just walk out without at least trying to convince him to stay, as Dooley is apparently doing.
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Both of the recent articles have quoted DD saying that he explained to both BB and AD why he thought UT was the best place for them. He has stated publicly more than once that BB could come back if the team would accept him and that he thought they would.

He isn't begging him... nor should he but the door has clearly been open.
 
#56
#56
BB on the team. The facts are this Tauren is good but he has no experience in SEC battles. Williams is a shell of himself before his injury, and Oku has averaged about 2 yards a carry. If Poole goes down or can't handle the load because of the pounding then we are in deeper trouble than we already think. Sometimes common sense needs to override ego and any sending of a message. I am in favor of asking the team what they want, if they want him back then this coach has an obligation to try.
 
#58
#58
bowlinggreenvol said:
P.S. I want Bryce Brown back if it's not apparent. Regardless of how your RB depth is, you DON'T let the number 1 player in the country just walk out without at least trying to convince him to stay, as Dooley is apparently doing.
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You cannot be the coach and kiss rear at the same time. You really want BB to own Dooley? The kid has to earn his spot, so far I haven't seen it. It may be in him, he has the god given talent, but mentally he has to be humble and earn his spot with the talent. No coach smooching thank you.
 
#59
#59
sjt18 said:
Read Fiji.... READ.
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Exactly. CDD has spoken with BB, but BB has shown no interest in coming back. CDD is open to him returning, but is not going to beg (which I applaud). The situation really is simple.

As for the BB and TP discussion, it was very clear that Kiffin had something against TP. It was most apparent during the Chicken Bowl, when TP came in and ripped off a few nice gains (when no other back could do anything), only to be replaced and never see the field again.

I personally think, and I could be wrong, that BB is in a snit because he hasn't been promised anything by the new staff. He doesn't believe he should have to earn it like everybody else. He might have been rated #1 coming out of high school, but plenty of those guys have been busts. He currently has bust written all over him, and transferring is the biggest reason. It says a lot about his makeup.
 
#60
#60
sjt18 said:
If he re-recruits him that would send a signal to the rest of the that he's chasing after a guy who doesn't want to be part of the team. He's done what he should do IMO- He has left the door open and tried to explain why he thinks it would be best for him to stay.

BTW, that's the second time that Dooley has made an indirect comment that supports the idea that BB thought he should be #1 without having to earn it.
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I agree with this assessment. Dooley has left the door open for Bryce Brown to come back if he chooses to do so. You don't re-recruit players that are already on your team. If a player is a prima donna and believes that he deserves to be coddled, then let him go elsewhere. UT has entirely too many players that never buy in to the team concept. That is one of the reasons that this program has struggled so badly over the last decade.
 
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#61
#61
LWSVOL said:
you don't try to get someone to stay somewhere they don't want to be. This team needs all the positives it can get. even trying to get Bryce to stay would be a negative for the team. many would be upset because he didn't go through spring practice. be very negative.
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This is why I like DD's response to the notion. He said it would be considered, but he stressed that he would talk to the team. And "ask them" Good answer and good plan, imho.
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#62
#62
I'll tell you I believe he's got more problems than football.
As far as I know, he's still enrolled at UT.
Could the team use him if he stayed? Sure.
Does the team need him? No.
It is not only Coach D's responsibility to do what is right for the team but to do what is right for the individual.
Seriously, football-wise, I could care less if he stays, but personally I hope he gets some help with his personal life. Lord knows he could use it!
GO VOLS!:rock:
 
#63
#63
I think these last few comments are right on inasmuch as I might summarize:

Poole's durability is in question.
Brown has tons of potential and contrary to what was said about earning a spot Brown was probably promised playing time by x (shifting to lower case).
Brown should not be re-recruited.
We may not be in as good a shape at running back as some have thought.
 
#64
#64
Why keep a kid that dont want to be a vol...hes a grown man, let him make the big boy desicion
 
#65
#65
While your words are true that he could use help. We all could. So the way you attempted to portray his personal life tells me 1) You know details of his problems and your blasting his business on the web, or 2)Coming to a stupid conclusion because your butt-hurt that something might (be it legit or adolescent) be more important to him than "your" vols fb.
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#66
#66
Orangekush423 said:
While your words are true that he could use help. We all could. So the way you attempted to portray his personal life tells me 1) You know details of his problems and your blasting his business on the web, or 2)Coming to a stupid conclusion because your butt-hurt that something might (be it legit or adolescent) be more important to him than "your" vols fb.
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This.


No one has any right to bash Bryce whether he transfers or not, unless they know the reason. From what I have heard it has more to do with him being a baby because he hasn't been guaranteed anything. Granted these are rumors, but I've heard things to the effect that it is more of a family matter and his dad wanting him closer to Wichita.

Whether he stays or goes, I will support him. If he doesn't want to be a Vol, I'm not going to hate him for it.
 
#67
#67
poole, oku, and williams will handle the load just fine. Brown goes down on the first hit and uses his giant ego for padding.

poole is like hardesty only with more breakaway speed, everyone will see this year even if ur line is fresh
 
#68
#68
If I was running the show Bryce would already have his walking papers. Unless he was injured I can't see letting him sit out the spring and just come back to the team when he's wants to. But I'm not running the show, so I'll leave it up to the coach.
 
#69
#69
I would love for him to come back. I was so excited about seeing him play this year before all the drama surrounding him came up. At the same time I like the way CDD is handling the situation. CDD is making it clear he is not going to pamper his behavior or make him a special case while at the same time supporting him with whatever his issues are. I like it.
 
#70
#70
UM YEAH i mean he is a good FB player...you try to keep him here...i dont see why this is such a big question...i mean if anything just use him to recruit...
 
#71
#71
LWSVOL said:
you don't try to get someone to stay somewhere they don't want to be. This team needs all the positives it can get. even trying to get Bryce to stay would be a negative for the team. many would be upset because he didn't go through spring practice. be very negative.
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^This
 
#72
#72
They're in rebuild mode at K-State also. He can probably help them more than he can Tennessee.
 
#73
#73
sjt18 said:
Virtually all of BB's stats were run up against bad teams during mop up plus Ole Miss late in the 4th after they'd put their back ups in. He avg'd under 4 ypc in conference and against teams with a winning record.

Poole really didn't get many shots at the better competition but his 3 carries vs VT looked good against an opponent that shut MH down.

Both of the recent articles have quoted DD Psaying that he explained to both BB and AD why he thought UT was the best place for them. He has stated publicly more than once that BB could come back if the team would accept him and that he thought they would.

He isn't begging him... nor should he but the door has clearly been open.
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#74
#74
Jake Tate said:
poole, oku, and williams will handle the load just fine. Brown goes down on the first hit and uses his giant ego for padding.

poole is like hardesty only with more breakaway speed, everyone will see this year even if ur line is fresh
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I really like Poole. He seems to break alot of nice runs... but he does not have more speed than Hardesty. MH was slowed at times by injuries creating a perception that he was power rather than speed but he posted a 10.7 100m in HS. That's not much slower than Demps.
 
#75
#75
I like the message that CDD is sending to these players is that if you loved UT you would be here and if you dont get the hell out.
 
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