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Bryce Brown - #1 Overall Player in the Country

The team that you love wants him. Why hate on him?

You pay certain people at VQ to give you information on players. Those guys are pests. Brian Butler, the mentor, is like family to Bryce Brown. The people at rivals can charge a fee to get information on kids' interests but Brian Butler can't? There have been alot of negative posts about the mentor. People stereotype him when they read "ex-rapper" but have no idea that he is also a "preacher".

Put all the negativity about the number one player in the country and his mentor to rest. The guys at VQ can do it, but Butler can't? That's not realistic. Brown said, "I am fasting right now, waiting for god to put a school on my heart." How can you bash that?
 
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Sabanocchio said:
As I said before, I think he has gotten a bad rep because of Butler. I don't think much of this is due to Brown and that Butler has more to do with confusing him than anything else. Brown's a good kid. Don't fault him for some ridiculous comments from the guy who is supposed to be representing him to some degree.
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Cosign...very well said sab
 
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coming to TN for a visit and that he was also going to fast and pray about where to go to college. Not that that necessarily makes him a good kid, but if he is willing to do those things, I am going to think highly of him until he proves otherwise.

He is getting a bad rap from many in this thread. :nono:
 
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Return2Power said:
Bryce Brown - #1 Overall Player in the Country

The team that you love wants him. Why hate on him?

You pay certain people at VQ to give you information on players. Those guys are pests. Brian Butler, the mentor, is like family to Bryce Brown. The people at rivals can charge a fee to get information on kids' interests but Brian Butler can't? There have been alot of negative posts about the mentor. People stereotype him when they read "ex-rapper" but have no idea that he is also a "preacher".

Put all the negativity about the number one player in the country and his mentor to rest. The guys at VQ can do it, but Butler can't? That's not realistic. Brown said, "I am fasting right now, waiting for god to put a school on my heart." How can you bash that?
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Good post. You're right. I don't know Butler. I'd love to see Bryce play football at UT. It's not like he'd be the first agent CLK has dealt with. They all have them in the NFL.

Part of the concern is generated by the comments (I think it was his HS coach) that indicated Butler pulls him away from the team's workouts, etc. The other concern, of course, are the NCAA regs on agents contacting players and that we'd rather have a UT team that's not on probation.

If we can get Brown without negative effects on team chemistry or our NCAA status, that's absolutely ideal. If Butler is that close to him, they can talk later when it's time for Bryce to go pro. BB will be older and more capable of choosing an agent at that point.
 
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Anyone who doesnt want bryce brown should go drownd themself in their toilet. HE HAS NO ISSUES! HE IS A ONCE IN A DECADE TALENT! Get him here now.
 
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He may not have any issues, but it sounds like his mentor does. What good is going to come from a mentor/agent? Also, his HS coach calling him out for being too obsessed about his future and his own stats outside of the good of the team doesn't seem very good.

And once in a decade? Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Beanie Wells, ..etc

Sure he has all of the potential in the world, but calling him a once in a decade talent is way off base considering he's never taken a college snap.

He seems like a greta player, and a great kid, but IMO he's going to have to drop the mentor and his ego if his HS coach was right.
 
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Sounds like our staff has no problems with him. That is really all that matters. Dude is a freak of a talent.
 
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bburger991 said:
He may not have any issues, but it sounds like his mentor does. What good is going to come from a mentor/agent? Also, his HS coach calling him out for being too obsessed about his future and his own stats outside of the good of the team doesn't seem very good.

And once in a decade? Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, Beanie Wells, ..etc

Sure he has all of the potential in the world, but calling him a once in a decade talent is way off base considering he's never taken a college snap.

He seems like a greta player, and a great kid, but IMO he's going to have to drop the mentor and his ego if his HS coach was right.
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IMO he is once and a decade talent, and Butler wont follow him to Knoxville.
 
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So your going to say he's better than Reggie Bush and Beanie Wells before he even steps foot on a college campus?

What makes you think that about Butler though? It seems like he realizes Bryce is his cash cow and he's going to ride him as far as it'll take him..
 
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bburger991 said:
So your going to say he's better than Reggie Bush and Beanie Wells before he even steps foot on a college campus?

What makes you think that about Butler though? It seems like he realizes Bryce is his cash cow and he's going to ride him as far as it'll take him..
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Did I ever say he was better then them? Rivals just said he is the Top RB coming out of HS in the Past 5 years. Okay he is the best back to come out of HS in the last 5 years. Does that get you off your period?
 
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I haven't really wanted Oku ever since I found out how much of a head case he was combined with the flip flopping.

I mean, I'd still like to get Brown, its just the agent worries me. No 1 player is worth a whole program getting probation.
 
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I think the staff understands the situation a whole lot better than we do. These guys have been recruiting players for years.
 
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this would be a huge get imo... good he is looking ahead to his future he knows what he wants and he is going to work his butt off to get there and once he signs a loi all his leverage goes to bed... and to take a kid who is commited to miami would be great since im from miami and always had to listen to the "u" all my life
 
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Lexvol said:
Nope the current staff can only take credit for Reggie Bush, Lendale White, and BenJarvis Green-Ellis. Nobody has ever heard of any of those guys though.
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1) How do you figure that? Kiffin was the WR coach and then passing coordinator before becoming OC for 2 years on Chow's coat-tails.

2) Reggie Bush has yet to really have a break-out year. Kind of lends to what I have said about some backs being cut out for specialty roles in the NFL, regardless of their college performance, doesn't it?

3) White is a good NFL back, imo. I have always said from the beginning that he would turn out to be the more productive NFL back due to his running style. But, obviously, Kiffin had very little to do with his development.

4) Green-Ellis? You mean the 4th string RB: New England Patriots Depth Chart - NFL Football - ESPN

matts42012volfan said:
Why are you even comparing the Pac 10 to the SEC?
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Lol. I haven't. Why are you? Or, actually, I should say, why has it taken an SEC fan in any football argument whatsoever to do so? ;)

matts42012volfan said:
lets compare this years classes:
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Yes. Let's compare the classes, the performance and the strength of schedule.

With their mighty SEC influenced class, UT went 5-7. Oregon, with their poor Pac-10 scraps went 10-3. UT lost to Wyoming... Wyoming.

According to the Sagarin rankings, Oregon's strength of schedule was ranked #22. UT's, in the tough SEC? #31

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Perhaps the SEC-sided favoritism in the rivals rankings has something to do with the site being started and run by Alabama fans. The results of such rankings has been hit and miss at best. Ever notice how some recruits are ranked low and then suddenly gain a star or two once certain schools give them an offer?

Sabanocchio said:
He is operating under the guise of being reasonable, but he is no less/more of a homer than anyone else around here. His act is fake.
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I'm not being a homer when the facts coincide with my statements. If the Ducks went 5-7 last year and weren't the 3rd most productive running team in the nation, I wouldn't have much to argue for in the Brown debate.

utmba93 said:
I could see Brown going to Miami or USC, but Oregon is just not where a back of that caliber should gamble on his career.

If he keeps his nose clean, this guy will be a first rounder
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A first rounder like Jonathan Stewart?

I think you have the gamble backward. At Oregon, there is a precedence for their current staff (as it was for Stewart) for sending an RB off in the first round. I'm not saying that UT couldn't do the same. But, there is no precedence. Only the hope of past success in previous, different situations. In my view, that makes it more of a gamble. I think Kiffin stands a decent chance of being yanked before any 2009 recruits even make it to the draft.

Carp said:
Smith wasn't a very good NFL back, period. Yards per carry is a horrible guage when trying to grade him. He had 231 total attempts. I remember one of the knocks on him coming out of college (like so many RB's) was the he wasn't an every down back. He couldn't run between the tackles very well. As it happened, that was case in the NFL. He was used as a back-up, because he was back-up material.
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Again, being the go-to guy in 3rd down situations is not backing anyone up. I agree that he was not an every down back. It doesn't matter what school he went to, he was never going to be an every down back. But, he was consistently productive situationally. Thus, he was still a valuable back and showed skills useful in the NFL.

At this point, I'm going to have to call disingenuous. You guys have to know football enough to understand the difference between back-ups and situational backs.
 
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So why hasn't Brown signed with Miami? He's been committed there--and I read that he's said he still is--and he's got a brother there. What's the deal? I think we'll be a bridesmaid when this chase is done.
 
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armchairvol said:
So why hasn't Brown signed with Miami? He's been committed there--and I read that he's said he still is--and he's got a brother there. What's the deal? I think we'll be a bridesmaid when this chase is done.
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The short story is that he said he would visit us, probably next weekend.
 
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utmba93 said:
Reasoning just isn't your forte. You keep using stats from a staff that was totally replaced and then saying the new staff has done nothing.

Then, when several have pointed out what RB's have done with UT's current staff, you simply say something as stupid as they haven't worked together yet, so we just don't know.
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Again with the ad hominem statements. Are you not confident enough in your arguments to simply let them stand on their own?

Help me out and provide the non ad hominem argument for why my assertion that the current UT staff not having worked together is stupid. According to your apparent reasoning, Rich Rod should have had the same success at Michigan as he experienced elsewhere. Apparently, you believe that he could have gone to any school with any staff and fans could expect the same results he produced in the past.

It's not that simple. Kiffin will be working with a class that went 5-7 and lost to Wyoming last year. Not really the same situation as taking over a USC dream-team with a play-book written by Norm Chow.

utmba93 said:
Now, stop for just a second, and think (this may cause pain the first time you do it, but 'no pain, no gain'). We don't even know who Oregon's HC will be. Yet, you're talking about a guy who was the OC at the UNH. Thus, based on your logic, we can't rely on either their past history or 'what they will do together as a staff.'
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Yes. I suppose there is a chance that Chip Kelly, once being the HC, will botch things up because of the different role as HC. You could argue that that is an unknown.

However, that isn't the way recruits are seeing it. Just the opposite, they gave Chip Kelly the status of "HC in waiting" for the purpose of calming recruits concerns that they will get to work him and he won't leave to be an OC elsewhere. Obviously, kids want to play for him more than they are worried about whether or not he can make the switch to HC.

Brown himself has expressed a lot of respect for Kelly and the Oregon offense. Do you think he is stupid for doing so?

utmba93 said:
What we know, again, is that whatever staff coaches at Oregon this fall, it will be inferior to the one coaching at UT. If you had anyone worth what our staff makes, CLK would have hired them. You don't. End of staff discussion.
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In my experience, people who try to assert that they are right or that the discussion is over usually aren't sure whether or not they have a good point.

I believe that the Oregon staff is well paid. They would probably be better paid if it wasn't for a lot of scrutiny from certain circles over how much money goes to the program from Nike vs. academics at the university.

But, more importantly, the staff at Oregon likes to stick around, not just for money but because it's a great program all around (location, fans, community support, facilities, etc.). I don't have anything against UT. I can honestly say that I'm concerned about their program if it is believed that a great program can simply be paid for. If that's the case, UT is in for disappointment. Kiffin certainly fits the big-money hot-shot profile. Hopefully, all this bravado doesn't turn out to be big-money hot-air.
 
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Wow. Everybody should take a Chill Pill. When I left at 900 this morning this was being debated. Oregon fans just do not get it. They are standing in a monsoon and claim it is not raining.

To much speculation on a lot of people's part. Oregon fans are living in a cave if they think they can compare RBs in their programs to any team in the SEC. Including Vandy and Kentucky.

Brown will not attend Oregon there is no logical reason for him to take that risk. Weather is good enough reason not to go there. TV Face time is another. Oregon does not have a national TV draw.

The programs that offer a Pro type interest and will provide him with a chance to gain status the quickest is the best bet for Bryce Brown.

USC is an unknown with him talent wise and they will continue to load up as much as he can.

He would possibility be a feature back at Miami but do not count on it totally.

He will be featured here at UT and it will provide the best platform for him to go Pro.

Oregon offers nothing.
USC is an unknown.

Miami is the front runner but the ACC and lack of National Coverage do not lend itself to his desires.

UTK gives him the best shot all the way around. He will be able to compete for the starting job immediately because of the coaching staff change. He knows he can have an immediate impact here and he will get the TV Coverage is great. Low Risk and a High Reward by coming to UTK.
 
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why is a oregon fan on here talking with us if he goes to oregon good for you no one will lose sleep over it. its not like its within the sec.. imo bryce will not go to oregon simply b/c its oregon great facilties but no exposure what so ever its usc in the west coast and that is it... he knows he will be irrelvant out there at oregon but if he goes to usc miami or ut he will have that platform he wants...if he visits us next week like he is supposed to i see him commiting in the neat future
 
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I will say this, Bryce Brown is the type of player that is going to play at the next level regardless of who he signs with. Is one choice better than another? Maybe. But there are still unknowns in every program from Brown's perspective. Regardless, he is a rare talent and will likely be a high draft pick in 3 years.
 
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